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This was absurd the first time you said it.

Tip #3 in spotting pseudoscience: Broken Record syndrome.
Tip #4 in spotting pseudoscience: Ignoring evidence in conflict with pseudoscience.


And yet show me this force in super-symmetry that was just disproved? Show me this force in string theory?

It needs repeated often, because that is exactly what they are attempting to do. You have already taken it out of GR, this is why spacetime is composed of nothing, because you can not or will not admit it is simply voltage differentials between objects of mass.

Haven't you realized yet you got it backwards? Light isn't the cause of anything. Light is the effect of all atoms emitting in the electromagnetic spectrum. It is the excess charge emitted to keep the atom in balance as it moves through a time-varying electric and magnetic field.

Charged Particle Dynamics

Light is not the cause or the mediator between particles of mass. It is the effect of energy discharged from particles as they interact with the electric and magnetic fields that they all create and all others move through.

So as soon as mainstream gives up the Fairie Dust and we all figure out what electric and magnetic fields really are. the better off science will be. And you can be sure of one thing. It won't be bent nothing when we finally figure them out.
 
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And yet show me this force in super-symmetry that was just disproved? Show me this force in string theory?

The common denominator *(besides the fact they never show up in the lab)* is the fact that all the supernatural entities of physics are all great 'mathematical play toys'. It never seems to matter that SUSY theory failed it's own golden test, or that not a single proposed 'sparticle' has shown up a LHC thus far. They're apparently praying for absolutely stunning *miracle* in 2015.

It needs repeated often, because that is exactly what they are attempting to do. You have already taken it out of GR, this is why spacetime is composed of nothing,
This is essentially the place where their actual hypothesis and grandiose claims come to a screeching halt. They're attempting to *yet again* ignore the cause/effect relationships between spacetime curvature and mass/energy, just like they ignore the relationship between electrical current and magnetism. They constantly put the magnetic cart in front of the electrical horse, so of course they put their supernatural (space expanding) mathematical construct *before* the physics that even a non blunderized version of GR theory *attempts* (often imperfectly) to describe.

To them it makes perfect sense that "nothing" can expand, contract, do dances and jigs, sing songs, write poetry, and do anything they claim it does. :confused::doh:

Honestly, once you start to carefully look the emperors clothing, his entire wardrobe is literally made of 'nothing'. ;)
 
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The common denominator *(besides the fact they never show up in the lab)* is the fact that all the supernatural entities of physics are all great 'mathematical play toys'. It never seems to matter that SUSY theory failed it's own golden test, or that not a single proposed 'sparticle' has shown up a LHC thus far. They're apparently praying for absolutely stunning *miracle* in 2015.

Stunning miracles have a way of being "seen" once in the lab, never repeated, but generating the cash flow for the next detection of nothing theories to keep the house of cards standing. That "background", shall we say "noise", is funny that way. Then its non-detection shows the power of the machines systems, and it is back slapping time once again! Congratulations, you have found absolutely nothing once more. Time to get more funding to look for absolutely nothing again!



This is essentially the place where their actual hypothesis and grandiose claims come to a screeching halt. They're attempting to *yet again* ignore the cause/effect relationships between spacetime curvature and mass/energy, just like they ignore the relationship between electrical current and magnetism. They constantly put the magnetic cart in front of the electrical horse, so of course they put their supernatural (space expanding) mathematical construct *before* the physics that even a non blunderized version of GR theory *attempts* (often imperfectly) to describe.

To them it makes perfect sense that "nothing" can expand, contract, do dances and jigs, sing songs, write poetry, and do anything they claim it does. :confused::doh:
They did that from the start, with bent spacetime that only told matter how to move, but exerted no force upon it. In other words the magnetic field. So a ball placed at rest on their bent rubber sheet stays where it is placed. Except in real life where the two objects always approach each other, not just the one bending less nothing.

Because the magnetic field without the electric field to cause movement is useless. They have basically stripped the electric force from electromagnetism and attempt to describe space as magnetism and time.

And yet we have never to date observed a magnetic field without movement of charged particles (current). A stationary electric charge creates an electric field. Moving electric charges create an electric and magnetic field. Moving charged particles in electric and magnetic fields create additional currents or enhance the main current.



Honestly, once you start to carefully look the emperors clothing, his entire wardrobe is literally made of 'nothing'. ;)
Worth repeating: "Honestly, once you start to carefully look the emperors clothing, his entire wardrobe is literally made of 'nothing'. ;)"

The thing is we know he wears clothes. We see the proof every day when we accelerate particles and guide them along a path. Or watch for the deflection of rotation in cloud chambers to deduce their charge value and sign (pos/neg).
 
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Stunning miracles have a way of being "seen" once in the lab, never repeated, but generating the cash flow for the next detection of nothing theories to keep the house of cards standing. That "background", shall we say "noise", is funny that way. Then its non-detection shows the power of the machines systems, and it is back slapping time once again! Congratulations, you have found absolutely nothing once more. Time to get more funding to look for absolutely nothing again!

IMO that's not really a fair criticism in the realm of particle physics theory. IMO the standard particle physics theory, along with every other experimentally testable particle physics theory deserves to at least be tested. I think there has been some progress in figuring out how things work at the subatomic level, if only in an "incomplete" way for the time being. Even assuming an agreed upon TOE ties all the necessary subatomic parts together, I'm sure it will go a long way toward explaining the workings of the subatomic realm and how electrons and positrons forms subatomic structures. I fully support particle physics research. In terms of my tax dollars, it's money well spent IMO. Compared to how the government wastes my tax dollars on other stuff, I have nothing to complain about in relationship to particle physics research IMO.

I'm not "thrilled' with astronomers in terms of their 'dogma', but they build *outrageously excellent* equipment. It's a love/hate relationship from my perspective. :)

I am however getting a little tired of the supernatural dogma being peddled as 'evidence', like when they claimed that they see evidence of "dark matter annihilation" in space. That's the kind of false advertizing that crosses the line IMO. If SUSY theory failed it's own golden test in the lab, it's irrational for astronomers to point at distant objects and claim that SUSY sparticles did it.

Because the magnetic field without the electric field to cause movement is useless. They have basically stripped the electric force from electromagnetism and attempt to describe space as magnetism and time.
Essentially they've dumbed down the whole electrical/magnetic process to simple magnetism and gravity, only they've created a supernatural construct out of a "blunder theory", and something that Alfven called "pseudoscience" not even pure GR, or an (Alfven) acceptable claim in MHD theory. Then again Einstein didn't believe in infinitely dense objects, but that has never stopped astronomers from claiming that GR supports their claims. :(

And yet we have never to date observed a magnetic field without movement of charged particles (current). A stationary electric charge creates an electric field. Moving electric charges create an electric and magnetic field. Moving charged particles in electric and magnetic fields create additional currents or enhance the main current.
You're right of course, and that kind of nonsense is really hindering solar physics research to the point of absurdity at the moment. They know that flux ropes create large magnetic fields around them, but they blindly ignore the current that creates that flux ropes in the first place and that create the powerful magnetic fields in their wake. They ignore the charge separation that drives the physical process, and they dumb the whole thing down to 'magnetism' and 'magnetic reconnection', a concept that Alfven himself called pseudoscience at the same conference where he presented his double layer paper that made that claim obsolete and unnecessary in all current carrying environments. LMSAL's last meeting however was on the topic of 'magnetic reconnection' in the middle of a 'current sheet' no less, as though Alfven's double layer paper was never written! :( :confused:

Worth repeating: "Honestly, once you start to carefully look the emperors clothing, his entire wardrobe is literally made of 'nothing'. ;)"
Ya, an "expanding magnetically reconnecting nothing" to be exact. :)

The thing is we know he wears clothes. We see the proof every day when we accelerate particles and guide them along a path. Or watch for the deflection of rotation in cloud chambers to deduce their charge value and sign (pos/neg).
Unfortunately for the mainstream it all requires the flow of current, which is apparently something they simply don't want to discuss. ;)

At this rate, it's almost comical were it not so sad to hear LMSAL talk about magnetic reconnection inside a current sheet more than three decades after Alfven's double layer paper made that whole claim obsolete and irrelevant in all current carrying environments. :doh: It's sad mostly because the evidence of the current flowing through the flux ropes is evident in virtually every solar satellite image. The iron ion SDO wavelengths are only made possible because of the large currents that sustain the flux ropes at million degree temperatures. The powerful currents flowing through the flux ropes also leave their magnetic field signature on SDO magnetogram images of the surface of the photosphere. Those currents and high temperature flux ropes leave their heat signatures on every 1600A and 1700A SDO image, and they are the driving force of every flux rope seen in the new IRIS images as well. It's impossible to miss the effect of the currents flowing through the flux ropes, but somehow they do. It's as though the flux ropes are simply dumbed down to two simple magnetic lines, with a current sheet that forms between them. They are not simple magnetic lines, they are current carrying *threads of pinched plasma* to start with! Their entire argument is based on an oversimplification fallacy.

Honestly, the dogma is just standing in the way of empirical progress at this point, and I think many folks on the *inside* are starting to question the supernatural pseudoscientific dogma. :scratch:
 
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IMO that's not really a fair criticism in the realm of particle physics theory. IMO the standard particle physics theory, along with every other experimentally testable particle physics theory deserves to at least be tested. I think there has been some progress in figuring out how things work at the subatomic level, if only in an "incomplete" way for the time being. Even assuming an agreed upon TOE ties all the necessary subatomic parts together, I'm sure it will go a long way toward explaining the workings of the subatomic realm and how electrons and positrons forms subatomic structures. I fully support particle physics research. In terms of my tax dollars, it's money well spent IMO. Compared to how the government wastes my tax dollars on other stuff, I have nothing to complain about in relationship to particle physics research IMO.

Oh I agree, I support high energy physics research. I just don't support looking for Whimps and Machos. Or gravitational waves after numerous non-detections. It then becomes a drain on the funding system to support research plainly down the wrong path. Every theory that has some merit should at least get its day in court so to speak. The standard model has clearly shown itself to be the most correct to date in atomic studies, there is no reason at all that avenue of research should be closed down, in favor of theories that go against the Standard Model when all data thus far has shown it to be the most correct. What they call its shortfall is because it does not explain dark matter. Even dark matter theory doesn't do that, so big deal. It doesn't explain dark matter because dark matter doesn't exist to need explaining.

I'm not "thrilled' with astronomers in terms of their 'dogma', but they build *outrageously excellent* equipment. It's a love/hate relationship from my perspective.

Well, the Electrical Engineers technically build them, so I expect once the EU becomes the norm, we will get even better equipment.

I am however getting a little tired of the supernatural dogma being peddled as 'evidence', like when they claimed that they see evidence of "dark matter annihilation" in space. That's the kind of false advertizing that crosses the line IMO. If SUSY theory failed it's own golden test in the lab, it's irrational for astronomers to point at distant objects and claim that SUSY sparticles did it.

Essentially they've dumbed down the whole electrical/magnetic process to simple magnetism and gravity, only they've created a supernatural construct out of a "blunder theory", and something that Alfven called "pseudoscience" not even pure GR, or an (Alfven) acceptable claim in MHD theory. Then again Einstein didn't believe in infinitely dense objects, but that has never stopped astronomers from claiming that GR supports their claims.
Yes, E was patently against the idea of a singularity existing as anything more than a mathematical abstract. Of course E was wrong when it comes to everything they want to ignore, but right in everything they want to keep.

You're right of course, and that kind of nonsense is really hindering solar physics research to the point of absurdity at the moment. They know that flux ropes create large magnetic fields around them, but they blindly ignore the current that creates that flux ropes in the first place and that create the powerful magnetic fields in their wake. They ignore the charge separation that drives the physical process, and they dumb the whole thing down to 'magnetism' and 'magnetic reconnection', a concept that Alfven himself called pseudoscience at the same conference where he presented his double layer paper that made that claim obsolete and unnecessary in all current carrying environments. LMSAL's last meeting however was on the topic of 'magnetic reconnection' in the middle of a 'current sheet' no less, as though Alfven's double layer paper was never written!

I don't care if they keep their Fairie Dust, but just stop ignoring any theory that has more merit. It is keeping astronomy from advancing without adding more and more of it. Astronomy is caught in a catch 22, because theorists are too proud of their science fiction awards handed out nowadays to admit they didn't deserve it.

Ya, an "expanding magnetically reconnecting nothing" to be exact.

Unfortunately for the mainstream it all requires the flow of current, which is apparently something they simply don't want to discuss.

At this rate, it's almost comical were it not so sad to hear LMSAL talk about magnetic reconnection inside a current sheet more than three decades after Alfven's double layer paper made that whole claim obsolete and irrelevant in all current carrying environments. It's sad mostly because the evidence of the current flowing through the flux ropes is evident in virtually every solar satellite image. The iron ion SDO wavelengths are only made possible because of the large currents that sustain the flux ropes at million degree temperatures. The powerful currents flowing through the flux ropes also leave their magnetic field signature on SDO magnetogram images of the surface of the photosphere. Those currents and high temperature flux ropes leave their heat signatures on every 1600A and 1700A SDO image, and they are the driving force of every flux rope seen in the new IRIS images as well. It's impossible to miss the effect of the currents flowing through the flux ropes, but somehow they do. It's as though the flux ropes are simply dumbed down to two simple magnetic lines, with a current sheet that forms between them. They are not simple magnetic lines, they are current carrying *threads of pinched plasma* to start with! Their entire argument is based on an oversimplification fallacy.

Honestly, the dogma is just standing in the way of empirical progress at this point, and I think many folks on the *inside* are starting to question the supernatural pseudoscientific dogma.

No, electricity is not something they want to consider in their theories of the universe. Because as i have said repeatedly, they are still trying to take it out of the atom.


Sorry, word doesn't like your smilies, makes em into pictures which don't paste back right :)
 
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No, electricity is not something they want to consider in their theories of the universe. Because as i have said repeatedly, they are still trying to take it out of the atom.

Repeating something untrue doesn't make it true.
 
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Repeating something untrue doesn't make it true.
We know.

We've been fighting evolution since we've heard about it.

And will continue to do so; even if we have to declare it false by virtue of Sola Scriptura.
 
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We know.

We've been fighting evolution since we've heard about it.

The difference is that there is actual evidence supporting evolution.

And will continue to do so; even if we have to declare it false by virtue of Sola Scriptura.

That would be hundreds of times more honest than what you do now.
 
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The difference is that there is actual evidence supporting evolution.

There's evidence to support UFOs, Big Foot, and the Yeti -- so what?
 
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Yes, E was patently against the idea of a singularity existing as anything more than a mathematical abstract. Of course E was wrong when it comes to everything they want to ignore, but right in everything they want to keep.

IMO this is a most disconcerting behavior. They subjectively pick and choose, and mix and match, and take what they please from Einstein's body of work, and from Alfven's work on MHD theory, and they basically ignore everything each of them said in *key* areas of physics. They continue to write about something Alfven called "pseudoscience" (magnetic reconnection), and they base all of their cosmology beliefs on a version of the GR formulas that Einstein himself referred to a 'blunder'.

No, electricity is not something they want to consider in their theories of the universe. Because as i have said repeatedly, they are still trying to take it out of the atom.
I don't believe that particle physicists are trying to take EM fields out of the atom, I think they just don't have a clue how to make it work right using an EM field model (yet). I think they'll make steady progress on that front however, because it's pure 'experimental physics'.

Lambda-CDM however is really myth making with math, and even when key components like SUSY hypotheses do fail spectacularly in the lab, astronomers still point at the sky and claim that excess positrons are "evidence" of WIMP annihilation. :confused::doh:

The key issue IMO is that Lambda-CDM doesn't mention, deal with, nor model anything related to EM fields in a mostly plasma universe. That omission alone makes it an entirely "bogus" theory about a mostly plasma universe. You can't simply "leave out" key and important components of plasma behaviors and fields and expect to correctly describe a mostly plasma universe. It's not any great mystery then as to *why* the need so much supernatural ad hoc gap filler to attempt to make up that difference.

Sign in to read: Super-supernovae spell trouble for dark energy - space - 01 August 2013 - New Scientist

FYI, I'm not sure if you're aware of it, but their claims about DE all related to SN-1A supernova data that are 'supposed' to be "standard candles". We have however seen events that end up being *twice as bright* as they predicted. The so called "Champagne Supernova" basically challenges their entire claims about dark energy. The only way that they can make such claims is *if* the supernova event in consistent. If the event is not consistent, the whole "method" becomes worthless.

"Champagne Supernova" Challenges Ideas about How Supernovae Work | Caltech
 
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IMO this is a most disconcerting behavior. They subjectively pick and choose, and mix and match, and take what they please from Einstein's body of work, and from Alfven's work on MHD theory, and they basically ignore everything each of them said in *key* areas of physics. They continue to write about something Alfven called "pseudoscience" (magnetic reconnection), and they base all of their cosmology beliefs on a version of the GR formulas that Einstein himself referred to a 'blunder'.

I don't believe that particle physicists are trying to take EM fields out of the atom, I think they just don't have a clue how to make it work right using an EM field model (yet). I think they'll make steady progress on that front however, because it's pure 'experimental physics'.

Lambda-CDM however is really myth making with math, and even when key components like SUSY hypotheses do fail spectacularly in the lab, astronomers still point at the sky and claim that excess positrons are "evidence" of WIMP annihilation. :confused::doh:

Exactly, yet they continue to search in theories that ignore this EM force, like SUSY theory did. The only reason the are not happy with the Standard Model is because it does not describe Fairy Dust dark matter. If they were not trying to take the EM force of the atom they would not be looking for an electrically neutral particle, not described in the Standard model, as it predicts a permanent electric and magnetic dipole moment even for the so-called neutron.

Yet you have found as I have asked repeatedly if the neutron is a truly electrically neutral particle, then would it not be a dark matter particle? To which none believing in dark matter have responded. This is why the Standard Model does not predict or describe dark matter, because there is no such thing as an electrically neutral particle. Merely one in which all charges react the same to every other charge. Not quite true though as with 3 quarks, there is always an overall net attraction between particles, being that the attractive force of electrical phenomenon is long range, while the repulsive aspect is short range. Why Plasma can be pulled in across vast distances into filaments; yet electrons, neutrons and protons don't smash together.






The key issue IMO is that Lambda-CDM doesn't mention, deal with, nor model anything related to EM fields in a mostly plasma universe. That omission alone makes it an entirely "bogus" theory about a mostly plasma universe. You can't simply "leave out" key and important components of plasma behaviors and fields and expect to correctly describe a mostly plasma universe. It's not any great mystery then as to *why* the need so much supernatural ad hoc gap filler to attempt to make up that difference.

Sign in to read: Super-supernovae spell trouble for dark energy - space - 01 August 2013 - New Scientist

FYI, I'm not sure if you're aware of it, but their claims about DE all related to SN-1A supernova data that are 'supposed' to be "standard candles". We have however seen events that end up being *twice as bright* as they predicted. The so called "Champagne Supernova" basically challenges their entire claims about dark energy. The only way that they can make such claims is *if* the supernova event in consistent. If the event is not consistent, the whole "method" becomes worthless.

"Champagne Supernova" Challenges Ideas about How Supernovae Work | Caltech
Yes well, what can one expect from SN models that are based upon faulty star models to begin with?

That is why they wont explode:

Why Won't the Supernova Explode? - NASA Science

That is why they are too bright:
Supernova "Too Bright" For Standard Theory | Space News - YouTube
Or are impossibly young to explode:
An Impossibly Young Supernova? | Space News - YouTube
Supernova Defies Astronomical Theory | Space News - YouTube
Or are just impossible to begin with:
Space News | The "Impossible" Star - YouTube


The theory is based upon an error from the start, it is not the observations that are wrong.
 
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IMO this is a most disconcerting behavior. They subjectively pick and choose, and mix and match, and take what they please from Einstein's body of work,

Even Einstein agreed that GR called for expanding space. The only way he could make GR produce a static universe was by adding a cosmological constant for which he had no evidence. If you want to point to fairy dust, the cosmological constant is it. Take out the fairy dust and you have an expanding universe. It is no wonder that you have to rely on models that use Euclidean models instead of GR.
 
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Even Einstein agreed that GR called for expanding space. The only way he could make GR produce a static universe was by adding a cosmological constant for which he had no evidence. If you want to point to fairy dust, the cosmological constant is it. Take out the fairy dust and you have an expanding universe. It is no wonder that you have to rely on models that use Euclidean models instead of GR.


And yet E was never satisfied with GR because he felt it did not explain the universe adequately. One does not need Fairie Dust to explain the solar system with GR, just the other 99% of the universe where GR fails miserably. It is a very limited theory that describes a very limited portion of matter, that in close confines. But sadly space is not in close confines, which is why it fails to describe galactic rotation curves, and 99% of the universe, plasma.

And it is funny how those same scientists seem to NEED the cosmological constant for their models.

On the trail of dark energy: Physicists propose Higgs boson 'portal'

"Resolving this problem, often called the cosmological constant problem, has so far eluded theorists."

If it is not needed then why is there a problem with it?????

And you should know that without one GR does not point to an expanding universe, but a contracting one;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmological_constant
"Einstein included the cosmological constant as a term in his field equations for general relativity because he was dissatisfied that otherwise his equations did not allow, apparently, for a static universe: gravity would cause a universe which was initially at dynamic equilibrium to contract."


You guys stuck it back in, just changed its value to cause expansion:

"Observations announced in 1998 of distance–redshift relation for Type Ia supernovae[6][7] indicated that the expansion of the universe is accelerating. When combined with measurements of the cosmic microwave background radiation these implied a value of
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,[8] a result which has been supported and refined by more recent measurements. There are other possible causes of an accelerating universe, such as quintessence, but the cosmological constant is in most respects the simplest solution. Thus, the current standard model of cosmology, the Lambda-CDM model, includes the cosmological constant, which is measured to be on the order of 10−52 m−2, in metric units. Multiplied by other constants that appear in the equations, it is often expressed as 10−35 s−2, 10−47 GeV4, 10−29 g/cm3.[9] In terms of Planck units, and as a natural dimensionless value, the cosmological constant, λ, is on the order of 10−122"

It is your erroneous religious beliefs on redshift, dark matter and black holes that cause all your problems, and the very basic fact that you ignore what 99% of the universe really is.

I'll say it one more time. GR explains the interaction of EM phenomenon with condensed matter, not free charged particles. This is why it works in the solar system and fails every single other place!!!
 
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Even Einstein agreed that GR called for expanding space.

No, actually it calls for *either* a contracting *or* an expanding "spacetime" (moving objects), not "space".

The only way he could make GR produce a static universe was by adding a cosmological constant for which he had no evidence.
True. Then again his 'constant' was only intended to keep an otherwise imploding universe from imploding. He never tried to get 'space' to do any magic expansion tricks even with his one brief stint with a "blunder" theory.

If you want to point to fairy dust, the cosmological constant is it.
That depends on whether the constant is a *real* (empirically demonstrated) form of nature, say an ordinary EM field, or a *supernatural* construct that's otherwise shy around the lab.

Take out the fairy dust and you have an expanding universe. It is no wonder that you have to rely on models that use Euclidean models instead of GR.
In a static universe, a Euclidean model is one of the *simplest* models to work with. It's only *if* the universe is expanding or contracting, or we're talking about high velocity/massively heavy physics that GR is the "natural" geometric preference. I hate to break it to you, but we can (and often do) cruise around our solar system just fine on Newtonian concepts of gravity too. In a mostly plasma universe, MHD theory is the more "obvious" mathematical model to explain *many* cosmic phenomenon. GR theory isn't necessarily the 'be-all-end-all' in describing the physics of a mostly plasma universe. That's why you need all that supernatural ad hoc gap filler in fact.
 
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And yet E was never satisfied with GR because he felt it did not explain the universe adequately.

By itself, GR cannot adequately describe the physics of a mostly plasma universe. It's fine within it's domain in terms of describing geometric relationships between neutrally charged objects, but that doesn't come close to explaining the various behaviors of a mostly plasma universe. I think he instinctively understood it's limitations. I also think he was honestly looking for a way to 'improve' it by tying it back to EM fields. Alas he didn't quite get there, but he never quit trying.

The mainstream apparently just "gave up" trying to simplify anything, they intend to kludge it up with as many new forms of matter and energy as they like apparently.

One does not need Fairie Dust to explain the solar system with GR, just the other 99% of the universe where GR fails miserably.
Actually, GR does in fact 'better' predict the orbit or Mercury, so it has value even within the solar system.

It is a very limited theory that describes a very limited portion of matter, that in close confines. But sadly space is not in close confines, which is why it fails to describe galactic rotation curves, and 99% of the universe, plasma.
That's obviously quite true, and it's also obvious that they *never* intend to explore EM field influences in galactic rotation curves. It's 'too scary'. They might actually come up with a "solution" that doesn't require exotic matter if they did that, particularly since they just found more mass in the form of plasma than we had found in the whole of human history up until last year. Not coincidentally that million degree plasma is located *exactly* where 'dark matter' is supposedly located. :)

And it is funny how those same scientists seem to NEED the cosmological constant for their models.

On the trail of dark energy: Physicists propose Higgs boson 'portal'

"Resolving this problem, often called the cosmological constant problem, has so far eluded theorists."

If it is not needed then why is there a problem with it?????
It's certainly *not* a problem for particle physicists. The 'problem' is however, that standard cosmology *dogma* absolutely, positively *demands* that 'exotic stuff' must exist. Particle physicists have *always* considered SUSY theories to be a "dark horse". It's only the cosmology community that seems to be 'betting the farm" on exotic forms of matter and energy.

It they 'futz with' the math a bit using the standard particle physics model, their new 'cosmology dogma' somehow evolves into a "real thing' in their mind. It's all one giant affirming the consequent fallacy with math and "made up" entities, none of which can actually be tested in a lab. I haven't read the paper yet (I will), but I suspect it creates a scenario where LHC data could never be used to falsify or verify that specific claim. It would therefore become the perfect "dark energy of the gaps" claim. :(

I'll say it one more time. GR explains the interaction of EM phenomenon with condensed matter, not free charged particles. This is why it works in the solar system and fails every single other place!!!
I think that EU/PC community fails to appreciate the usefulness of GR theory, only because they've seen GR theory *abused* for so long. It actually is useful in predicting orbits of planets, and useful in a *limited* way. Likewise plasma physics alone won't *completely* describe the behaviors of all objects in the solar system. Combine them however, and I do think it would be possible to create very *useful* galaxy models and very useful cosmology models. One without the other however will always be 'incomplete' IMO.

Now of course it may turn out that the ultimate theory of everything ties everything back to the EM field, but even in that instance, the macroscopic effects will mirror the behaviors of GR in all probability.
 
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No, actually it calls for *either* a contracting *or* an expanding "spacetime" (moving objects), not "space".

We've already gone over this. GR allows for the metric expansion of space.

In a static universe, a Euclidean model is one of the *simplest* models to work with.

Simple, yes, but contradicted by evidence.
 
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We've already gone over this. GR allows for the metric expansion of space.

Yes, we've established the fact that GR can be kludged with all sorts of supernatural claims that cannot be demonstrated in controlled experimentation, including inflation, dark energy and your mythical space expansion claim. Unfortunately I can't stop you from kludging it up with metaphysical claims, but I'm not obligated to buy any of those metaphysical claims.

Simple, yes, but contradicted by evidence.

Not according to that paper by Lerner.
 
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Yes, we've established the fact that GR can be kludged

No kludging required. It's straight from Al's theory.

Not according to that paper by Lerner.

No, the assumption of Euclidean space as a model is hardly evidence that the universe is Euclidean.

The bending of light by the sun (measured almost a hundred years ago) is evidence that the universe is non-Euclidean.
 
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