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God's giving me alot of healing at the moment.

Recently, God showed me a lie from when i was a kid. That lie was "i can't have love". I felt like I was never good enough, & i felt in need of attention that i never seemed to be able to get when i asked in healthy and unhealthy ways. Later, i became empowered by this same lie, that morphed into more lies: "i don't want love" and "i don't need love". If i ever had a thought, a feeling, a behaviour, or even a desire that suggested i might want or need love, or anything from any human being, i would feel so much shame and punish myself for it. I began self-harming at 13, which i believe became an addiction which i still struggle with to this day. (I am now 24...although nearly all of the time the battle ends in my mind, but VERY occasionally i mess up).

Anyway, i finally became a Christian after becoming confronted with my need of a saviour by the name of Jesus. So i was like "yep, all i need is God. Just God and me. I don't need anyone. I'm strong now cos i got God."

Well, that's something that God's been working on since i got saved. I came to a realisation in the last six months (4 years after) that i do, in fact, need people. I have God-given needs that are to be met in relationships with other people. I'm still trying to figure out which ones. It's a scary thought. I find relating with others difficult because i am confused about what's healthy and what's not. It doesn't help that i've also struggled with gender identity issues in the past, which seems to be the root of alot of my relating insecurities.

I use to hate women, and still do to a subconscious degree. I also related with men more confidently than i did with women, and that's the direction that my relating skills went. Trying to be "one of the boys". I also had a few unhealthy boundaries that i was ignorant of up until quite recently.

When i'm talking to a guy, eg, one of my boyfriends mates or a guy at my church, i feel really ashamed and conscious of the fact i don't know how i'm coming across. "Are the words i'm using okay? Do i come across a little too comfortable? Is there anything about me that could come across as flirting? Does my boyfriends housemate think i'm hot for him? Or that i would if he offered? What about my guy friend who i see one-on-one sometimes who held my hand when he was encouraging me that day? Or how we went to the beach together that time? What about my other guy friend who i love like a brother? Do i ever come across like that with him? Is the way i relate with him unhealthy?" And the list goes on...

When i'm talking to a girl...far out. Building friendships with girls is something i find harder than with guys. I don't know how to read girls. Generally, guys seem more straight up so i don't have to guess. I have a whole range of generalisations that are anti-girl and pro-guy when it comes to this stuff.

So when i'm talking with a girl, especially someone i want to build a friendship with or i already have a friendship with, i feel so clueless. I feel perverted too because i struggle with sexual thoughts and images of girls in my mind, and for some reason, i catch myself checking girls out. I also feel confronted with the "differentness" i feel about my own femininity. They know how to do make-up, they do their hair like this, they know how to use a hairdryer, they have girls they have coffee with and go shopping with, they like shoes. I, on the other hand, am clueless. There was a time when i would have liked to have learned all this stuff, but it's way overdue and i would feel so ashamed about asking a girl how to be a girl. I should know this stuff by now. I'm 24, not 13.

Plus, what am i doing talking to a woman and desiring the emotional intimacy of her friendship when i have a sexual perversion?? I feel so dirty.

But back to my needs...i feel like i have enough needs to fill up a big room. I don't know exactly what all of them are yet, but one of them is definitely relationship with others human beings. I have a problem, so i'll fix it. I'll go and have my needs met by stepping out and pursuing friendships. But wait a minute, isn't that selfish? Pursuing relationships to fulfull my own needs? How can i ask for anything from anyone but God? That's selfish. I should want to pursue relationships out of a desire to give. Well, i have that desire too. But i still have needs that won't be met if i continue with this avoidance. If i ask someone for a favour, for a listening ear, for some quality "get-to-know-you" time, what if they say no? If they don't really know me, they might think i'm a freak. Or they might be able to see the stuff that goes through my mind sometimes. Or worse still, what if they say yes but all the while resent it inside? How will i know? Maybe it's safer here in my little hole.

There is a memory that keeps coming up. I think it's God bringing it up.

When i was about...i dunno, 8 maybe? I used to hang out with my cousin all the time. We lived diagonally across the road from eachother. We would sleep at eachother's houses, have baths together, have dinner, play, whatever. One night, i was at her place cos i was sleeping over. We'd just got out of the bath and we were in her room. She had her undies on, and her tag was sticking out. So i went to tuck it in for her, and her mum walked past the doorway at that exact moment and went ballistic at me. I don't remember her words, but i was being accused of intentionally put my hand out to touch her there. I didn't really understand, but i felt really confused, misunderstood, hurt, ashamed...just really yuck.

Then later that night, she put us in her brothers room that was closer to her room. In retrospect, perhaps because we'd be in seperate beds. I woke up at 4 or 5am and couldn't get back to sleep. I whispered to her and said "are you awake?". She said "yeah". We had a brief conversation, and a minute later her mum burst in and went psycho at me again, demanding to know how long we'd been talking.

During that particular stay, there seemed to be about ten things that i got pulled up for. The others weren't to do with my cousin but. & after that, my cousin told me that her mum didn't want me to sleep over anymore.

I feel that feeling now when i talk to girls. I feel like a predator or something.

Anyway, i'm still overcoming the shame surrounding my needs. I had a need to get all this stuff out and be heard by others, and that's what i'm doing by posting this.
 

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I'm sorry you've had it so hard. I can relate to what you are going through quite a lot, I'm experiencing something similar myself. What I write is based on what God has shown me, what I've experienced to be true and how my mind works. I'm no counselor, so what I write is just my own opinion!

The childhood memory is very significant because it was the first thing that shattered your belief in your ability to normally interact with others. It basically has caused you to believe (not immediately, but as you grew up) that people will know what you think by just looking at you. You would probably have forgotten all about what happened if it weren't for the feelings you have towards women. It has haunted you for so long, because you can't totally dismiss the mother's accusations today.

You're 24 now, so you are able to recognize irrational thoughts and behavior, as well as understand how you have been shaped by events and people around you. What I suggest is that you start looking more at your motivations and how other people think and behave. The great news is that you aren't alone! God is with you, and by praying and seeking Him will you find the answers and strength to deal with this. You should also consider seeing a counselor. An experienced, professional viewpoint is never a bad idea.

Go look at yourself in the mirror and pretend to be talking to someone. Just look at your facial expressions, and notice how little you can actually read about yourself. Next time you have a conversation, look at the other person and notice how little you can tell. Gross misunderstandings aside, it is very hard to be perceived as "coming on" to someone without actually doing so! The worries you are bombarded with are all based in your own past and fears. They have nothing to do with what is really happening. When you realize this you will able to start to rebuild how you interact with others.
 
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I am not sure that you have been able to sort out some issues of human sexuality that well. This needs some honest discussion with someone.

That early experience may well have been a strong influence in you. Again, that needs exploring.

Some women are not 'feminine' in the usual connotations of that word. That's OK if that is you. It does not mean you are aren't heterosexual.

Were you closer to your mum or your dad growing up?

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* Yeah, i am seeing a Christian psychologist, plus i'm doing a course that deals with sexual and relational brokeness. I think this is one of the many things that God is bringing up.

* I don't have feelings for girls, it's just images and stuff. I don't desire to romantically connect with a girl or anything.

* I am not "feminine" in the usual connotations of the word, but i'm seeking God on what it's really about...like besides all the outward pretty stuff, what does it mean that i'm female?

* I was closer to my dad growing up
 
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God's giving me alot of healing at the moment.

Recently, God showed me a lie from when i was a kid. That lie was "i can't have love". I felt like I was never good enough, & i felt in need of attention that i never seemed to be able to get when i asked in healthy and unhealthy ways. Later, i became empowered by this same lie, that morphed into more lies: "i don't want love" and "i don't need love". If i ever had a thought, a feeling, a behaviour, or even a desire that suggested i might want or need love, or anything from any human being, i would feel so much shame and punish myself for it. I began self-harming at 13, which i believe became an addiction which i still struggle with to this day. (I am now 24...although nearly all of the time the battle ends in my mind, but VERY occasionally i mess up).

Anyway, i finally became a Christian after becoming confronted with my need of a saviour by the name of Jesus. So i was like "yep, all i need is God. Just God and me. I don't need anyone. I'm strong now cos i got God."

Well, that's something that God's been working on since i got saved. I came to a realisation in the last six months (4 years after) that i do, in fact, need people. I have God-given needs that are to be met in relationships with other people. I'm still trying to figure out which ones. It's a scary thought. I find relating with others difficult because i am confused about what's healthy and what's not. It doesn't help that i've also struggled with gender identity issues in the past, which seems to be the root of alot of my relating insecurities.

I use to hate women, and still do to a subconscious degree. I also related with men more confidently than i did with women, and that's the direction that my relating skills went. Trying to be "one of the boys". I also had a few unhealthy boundaries that i was ignorant of up until quite recently.

When i'm talking to a guy, eg, one of my boyfriends mates or a guy at my church, i feel really ashamed and conscious of the fact i don't know how i'm coming across. "Are the words i'm using okay? Do i come across a little too comfortable? Is there anything about me that could come across as flirting? Does my boyfriends housemate think i'm hot for him? Or that i would if he offered? What about my guy friend who i see one-on-one sometimes who held my hand when he was encouraging me that day? Or how we went to the beach together that time? What about my other guy friend who i love like a brother? Do i ever come across like that with him? Is the way i relate with him unhealthy?" And the list goes on...

When i'm talking to a girl...far out. Building friendships with girls is something i find harder than with guys. I don't know how to read girls. Generally, guys seem more straight up so i don't have to guess. I have a whole range of generalisations that are anti-girl and pro-guy when it comes to this stuff.

So when i'm talking with a girl, especially someone i want to build a friendship with or i already have a friendship with, i feel so clueless. I feel perverted too because i struggle with sexual thoughts and images of girls in my mind, and for some reason, i catch myself checking girls out. I also feel confronted with the "differentness" i feel about my own femininity. They know how to do make-up, they do their hair like this, they know how to use a hairdryer, they have girls they have coffee with and go shopping with, they like shoes. I, on the other hand, am clueless. There was a time when i would have liked to have learned all this stuff, but it's way overdue and i would feel so ashamed about asking a girl how to be a girl. I should know this stuff by now. I'm 24, not 13.

Plus, what am i doing talking to a woman and desiring the emotional intimacy of her friendship when i have a sexual perversion?? I feel so dirty.

But back to my needs...i feel like i have enough needs to fill up a big room. I don't know exactly what all of them are yet, but one of them is definitely relationship with others human beings. I have a problem, so i'll fix it. I'll go and have my needs met by stepping out and pursuing friendships. But wait a minute, isn't that selfish? Pursuing relationships to fulfull my own needs? How can i ask for anything from anyone but God? That's selfish. I should want to pursue relationships out of a desire to give. Well, i have that desire too. But i still have needs that won't be met if i continue with this avoidance. If i ask someone for a favour, for a listening ear, for some quality "get-to-know-you" time, what if they say no? If they don't really know me, they might think i'm a freak. Or they might be able to see the stuff that goes through my mind sometimes. Or worse still, what if they say yes but all the while resent it inside? How will i know? Maybe it's safer here in my little hole.

There is a memory that keeps coming up. I think it's God bringing it up.

When i was about...i dunno, 8 maybe? I used to hang out with my cousin all the time. We lived diagonally across the road from eachother. We would sleep at eachother's houses, have baths together, have dinner, play, whatever. One night, i was at her place cos i was sleeping over. We'd just got out of the bath and we were in her room. She had her undies on, and her tag was sticking out. So i went to tuck it in for her, and her mum walked past the doorway at that exact moment and went ballistic at me. I don't remember her words, but i was being accused of intentionally put my hand out to touch her there. I didn't really understand, but i felt really confused, misunderstood, hurt, ashamed...just really yuck.

Then later that night, she put us in her brothers room that was closer to her room. In retrospect, perhaps because we'd be in seperate beds. I woke up at 4 or 5am and couldn't get back to sleep. I whispered to her and said "are you awake?". She said "yeah". We had a brief conversation, and a minute later her mum burst in and went psycho at me again, demanding to know how long we'd been talking.

During that particular stay, there seemed to be about ten things that i got pulled up for. The others weren't to do with my cousin but. & after that, my cousin told me that her mum didn't want me to sleep over anymore.

I feel that feeling now when i talk to girls. I feel like a predator or something.

Anyway, i'm still overcoming the shame surrounding my needs. I had a need to get all this stuff out and be heard by others, and that's what i'm doing by posting this.
One important verse to remember is "Let God be true and let EVERY man be a liar."
 
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Lets see what we got here

-Childhood trauma.
-Boundry issues.
-Lesbian tendencies.
-self harm (possibly inflicted by lack of love)
-sexually derailed


So first thing is first.

Your aunt is the cause of all of this. Touching a girl was severly punished, you got scolded and given the feeling that you where a sexual predator for touching your cousin, while in reality you just wanted to tuck that thing back.

Now even at 24 , this is the basis of all your trauma ,lesbian tendencies,and derailment of feeling uneasy with other woman.

Your brain expects to be scolded, when you touch another female, you get sexual images because the brain usually fantasizes about what it can't have, often you see children do exactly those things that they where forbidden, because they want to test the boundries.

You in your mind still want to test out those boundries, in towards what you could do with those woman sexually, but then you get withold from it, due to the doomsday warning that you received from your aunt as a child.

Now the whole thing is about boundries. And the knowledge on wether things are justified or not.

- The first thing we need to correct is your aunthy ethel drama. Where you doing something wrong by ticking back that tag?
The answer = no.

Should you feel guilty = no.
Should you care about what your aunt said that day = no.
Are you allowed to touch girls = yes. (as long as the other party approves)

Because you have no clue how to set boundries, i will set a row of standard (temporary) boundries for you which are healthy.

-God wants you to love everyone,boys and girls.
-You are a woman, the natural way for a woman is to fall in love with a man.
-You are allowed to talk to boys and girls.
-Having sex is normal, however in order to not make it a selfish event, its important that you only have sex with someone who you love completely. Out of lust is wrong, out of love is right.

Now we go on to your self image.

-Stop caring about what others think of you, there are 6 billion people in this world who all think differently about you, you cannot satisfy them all, rather then that, be your own judge ,jury and executor.

Bring the power of your life back where it belongs, namely in YOUR hands. Otherwhise you are just played with like a soccer ball by other people.

anyway, how to put up make up

http://ezinearticles.com/?For-All-Those-Beginners:-How-Do-I-Put-On-Make-Up?&id=23146

It might sound childish but Hello Kitty must be "THE" most feminine place on earth.

http://www.sanriotown.com/login/site2006/index.php

That messageboard of theirs just bursts out with anything female, so that way you can learn to chat with woman again, talk about all those impossible to ask questions that you where dealing with as a child.

Also on top of all those things, i advice you to get a counceller, i mean beyond this, i think its seriously a good thing if you talk talk talk about this to the right people and vent out your situation so you can do a serious self reflection which will help you to define yourself as of who you really are.
 
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I like what anti existence has said. If you were closer to your dad them maybe you modeled him and not on the feminine?

Seems you are doing the right things and trying to sort out these issues. That takes some time, but its well worth it.

Bless you
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I dunno, I kind of see this differently.

The issue described so far seems to be something I'm familiar with. Because of lack of a close relationship with a male in my family, a model of masculinity was never imprinted on me. I'm male. I'm heterosexual. I'm not even interested in sexual deviation. On the other hand at times I was unfamiliar with the boundary lines and what was beyond them in many cultural taboos. I didn't know what they were in the first place.

The only difference was that I was not forced by leaders in my life to think of that unawareness as somehow evil.

After awhile I realized modern taboos and ancient truths don't go together very well. So I looked and learned about what the ancient was like, and how Christians confronted their errors. The result is what I try to live for every day.

The good news is that there are people, both male and female, who don't fit the culture's stereotypes. Many of us don't want to. My wife and I are among them. My wife's a tomboy, and I love her! I look at the purity and care of the ancient Christians, and I'm inspired by them and not the current situation. And we're both Christians, we both hold to Christian values regarding sexuality. It's easy when you don't carry the baggage around.

A few years ago I heard advice I think was good. A leader said, "Run as hard as you can after Christ. And then look around for who's staying with you." Those are the people you should get to know.
 
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I think that was the start of it. There was other stuff since then. At the age of 12, an older woman at a Christian camp i went to kept feeling me up...probably about 25 times over the course of the week. Kept copping these cheap feels of me in personal places on my pre-pubescent body. It really messed with me because she acted as if nothing was happening, and i thought to myself "is this something that's being generated in my mind? Am i sick? Why would i think she's touching me in that way if she isn't?"

[SIZE=+0][SIZE=+0]To summarise some of this stuff very generally...i had gender identity issues since i was about six because i hated being a girl. I was eagerly "educated" by my teen sister who told me EVERYTHING which i found quite shocking and traumatic actually. I was sexually abused for the first time at 9, i was first exposed to porn at 10. At 15, i went through a short-lived "confused" phase in which i labelled myself bisexual. Nothing came of that. Then during the course of a messy co-dependent relationship with this guy when i was 17, I was fed lies because he was so brainwashed by porn, and he told me all this stuff was normal. That we're all bisexual to some degree, that i should enjoy the idea of being with a girl because it's normal and heaps of girls think about other girls, and that was the nature of alot of porn that he had. It's pretty much since then that i've had sexual images of women with women, me with women, whatever. It was weird but. It used to gross me out, but i just numbed up and it's neither here nor there in my mind. [/SIZE][/SIZE][SIZE=+0][SIZE=+0]Between 12 and now, i have lost track of how many times i was sexually violated in various circumstances by various people. I have healed alot, and am continuing to heal.[/SIZE][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=+0][SIZE=+0]It's weird because i KNOW that i'm straight. I've never been in a lesbian relationship, i don't think i ever could because i don't desire that emotional connection with another woman. I am in a relationship with an amazing guy, so dealing with this stuff in the context of that relationship is difficult sometimes but very effective.[/SIZE][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=+0][SIZE=+0]Thanks heaps everyone for all your responses. I am healing, and i know God brings these things up so we can exchange them at the cross and receive healing.[/SIZE][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=+0][SIZE=+0]Thanks for the make-up site, it will come in handy.[/SIZE][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=+0][SIZE=+0]Far out, that reminds me...i have to foof myself up on Friday night for a function i'm going to. I usually get very anxious and all this insecurity comes up because i don't know how to be foofy and do my hair and make-up...but i'll reluctantly ask for help from my two housemates who are going who know more stuff than me.[/SIZE][/SIZE]
 
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