Rejection of Mary as your mediator (2)

[Uphill Battle]

Agreed. What then does it suggest?

depends on whom you ask.

 

[Asinner]

depends on whom you ask.

I was asking you.

 

[Uphill Battle]

I was asking you.

which part then?

 

[Asinner]

Both are applicable.

 

[Asinner]

Both are applicable.

 

[Uphill Battle]

I assume you mean these below. (sorry for stealing your text fonts, just copied and pasted, and I'm lazy to change it back.)


full of grace (grace is unmerited favour. Mary was full of unmerited favour.)

the Lord is with thee
(the Lord is with her. Not sure what else to say about it. He's with me too... and I'm not sinless.)

blessed art thou among women
(She was the most blessed woman of all time.)

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally posted by EC
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hentenza
The biblical reality is that Christians pray for each other to the Father not to the saints. Who said we were praying to the Saints?

EC,

You are correct. The EO does not pray to the saints. I apologize for my miss type. What I meant to post was "the biblical reality is that Christians pray to the Father not through the saints".

What are the differences between how the Orthodox view the saints and the Catholics as far as praying to them? Thanks.

 

[SpiritDriven]

The Isis cult was prevalent in Rome for many years....their followers where absobed into the Church as a way to try and convert them to Christianity.

Perhaps Church leaders at the time where using what they thought would be a clever ruse, by getting them to worship a female God but inside the Church instead, as a way to convert them....only they never actualy got around to eliminating the worship of the female God side of things.....the Isis cult just became the Mary Cult instead (whats in a name)

The problem is....togetherness at the cost of the truth....will no doubt be answered for before the Great White Throne....it is just a question of who will be called to account for this.

 

[lionroar0]

The Isis cult was prevalent in Rome for many years....their followers where absobed into the Church as a way to try and convert them to Christianity.

Perhaps Church leaders at the time where using what they thought would be a clever ruse, by getting them to worship a female God but inside the Church instead, as a way to convert them....only they never actualy got around to eliminating the worship of the female God side of things.....the Isis cult just became the Mary Cult instead (whats in a name)

The problem is....togetherness at the cost of the truth....will no doubt be answered for before the Great White Throne....it is just a question of who will be called to account for this.

Historical Drivel

Peace

 

[bbbbbbb]

Syncretism has been the policy of the RCC for centuries. A classic example is the cult of the Virgin of Guadalupe in Mexico. Latin America is filled with RC churches performing thinly-veiled pagan rituals in the name of Christianity.

 

[lionroar0]

Syncretism has been the policy of the RCC for centuries. A classic example is the cult of the Virgin of Guadalupe in Mexico. Latin America is filled with RC churches performing thinly-veiled pagan rituals in the name of Christianity.

Heard this crap before.

Peace

 

[SpiritDriven]

The Cult of Mithraism was easily over run by Christianity in the Roman Empire, however the Cult of Isis was not, and was very popular with lower and middle class Romans, in actual ...fact...the last known celebration of follwers of the Cult of Isis in Rome was around 500 AD.

That aside one is left asking the question about why so many Temples to Mary (and not to Christ) where built over and on top of Temples to the female Goddess Isis around Rome and its envoirons........before 500 AD.

 

[lionroar0]

The Cult of Mithraism was easily over run by Christianity in the Roman Empire, however the Cult of Isis was not, and was very popular with lower and middle class Romans, in actual ...fact...the last known celebration of follwers of the Cult of Isis in Rome was around 500 AD.

That aside one is left asking the question about why so many Temples to Mary (and not to Christ) where built over and on top of Temples to the female Goddess Isis around Rome and its envoirons........before 500 AD.

If you have evidence then please post it.

Because I have studied the history of Christianity both east and west and the cult of Isis never came up.

If it was that important I'm sure that my university proffesors would have mention it.

Also the cult of mithras came 300 yrs after Christianity. There are not texts on this cult. There are only temples with an altar and stained glass windows.

Peace

 

[katholikos]

Check this out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVio06r67F8&feature=related

 

[Condor]

Yet, "the rest of us" were not chosen to bear the Christ-Child. Nor have we been deemed "full of Grace".

This scripture says Mary did willfully sin:

Psalm 58:3-4 KJV


The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies. Their poison is like the poison of a serpent: they are like the deaf adder that stoppeth her ear;

Plus many other scriptures that say we all sin and are wicked. Many already in this thread. Do you really think that Mary as a child did not lie or dishoner her parents by not obeying?

Do you think that Mary needed forginess from Jesus to enter heaven?

 

[CardinalSin]

How can anyone reject the Mother of God as the mediator. She's our blessed co-redeemer with Jesus.

 

[beamishboy]

If you have evidence then please post it.

Because I have studied the history of Christianity both east and west and the cult of Isis never came up.

If it was that important I'm sure that my university proffesors would have mention it.

Also the cult of mithras came 300 yrs after Christianity. There are not texts on this cult. There are only temples with an altar and stained glass windows.

Peace

Hi, what university did you study in? I bet it was an RC university or a university in a predominantly RC country, such as in Latin America.

 

[Rhamiel]

condor

Plus many other scriptures that say we all sin and are wicked. Many already in this thread. Do you really think that Mary as a child did not lie or dishoner her parents by not obeying?

Do you think that Mary needed forginess from Jesus to enter heaven?

if scripture says all have sinned, does that mean Jesus has sinned? well that sounds silly, I think the "all have sinned" is to show mankinds sinful nature and that we all fall short of what God has planned for us. Mary is an exception to the rule, this does not mean that the rule is not true. The second part of your comment is one where catholics and protestants offten get seperated on, it is logical to think "if Catholics think Mary never sinned, then that means they think she did not need Jesus" that is not at all how Catholics look at it. She never sinned because of a special grace from God, she is as human as the rest of us, and it was only His grace that gave her the possibility of never sinning

 

[beamishboy]

condor
if scripture says all have sinned, does that mean Jesus has sinned?

Ho ho ho! That's so funny!!! Scripture also says that He is without sin. Scripture also calls him the unblemished lamb. The spotless one. Scripture never once calls Mary that.

Let me explain with an example. Supposing a special book of truth says all boys are stupid. However, this special book of truth also says the beamishboy is brilliant beyond words. Hehe; I'm not boasting: it's just by way of an example. You can't say because "all" boys are stupid, the beamishboy has to be stupid. No, an exception has been made within the book itself that the beamishboy is smart. Ditto for the sinlessness of Christ.

 

[jckstraw72]

and the book also calls Mary "full of grace." to some that may mean sinlessness, but im sure you have a different interpretation (you have to of course, you wouldnt want to sound too Roman).