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Rejection of evolution correlates with racism

Bradskii

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That's good to hear because that means I can say: If God did it, He was morally right to do so!

Correct. The question we now have to ask (ignoring any post-Hegelian strictures on divine morality as proposed by Farnham - or if that's too dense for you then vide Barnes' critique of that very point in his deconstructionalist essay on the burning bush et al: 'Flametree'*) is the following:

If any given act by God must be deemed morally correct, then would it be morally correct for you to perform that act if commanded by God? And we'll assume for the purpose of the question that you'd be in no doubt that He had given you the command. Extra points will be awarded if reasons for the answer are supplied.

*I made that up. Does it make me sound smart or pretentious?
 
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Correct. The question we now have to ask (ignoring any post-Hegelian strictures on divine morality as proposed by Farnham - or if that's too dense for you then vide Barnes' critique of that very point in his deconstructionalist essay on the burning bush et al: 'Flametree'*) is the following:

I think you've captured 'essence de Phil' with just the right balance of pomposity, verbosity and name dropping. Well done. :)

OB
 
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A woman just gave birth. Do you, personally speaking, think it's OK to drown the baby for any reason whatsoever? And can you skip the name dropping? If it's an alternative to the exhibition of your credentials, I'd prefer it if you put them back in your signature.
If only as much concern was given to the babies who could be saved
 
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I think you've captured 'essence de Phil' with just the right balance of pomposity, verbosity and name dropping. Well done. :)

OB

But who can forget that excellent late night discussion that those guys had regarding personal implications as regards problems with their bay-ay-by.

 
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If you place this statement in the context of God wiping out most of the human race then it's easy to see where fanaticism comes from. To suggest that genocide is OK because God said so, indicates the abdication of normal moral judgement. It's a short step from here to "I was only following orders".

This is what I mean when I say that Christianity is morally vacuous. Anything is allowable as long as you can claim God's acquiescence. Thinking becomes unnecessary.

OB
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If you place this statement in the context of God wiping out most of the human race then it's easy to see where fanaticism comes from. To suggest that genocide is OK because God said so, indicates the abdication of normal moral judgement. It's a short step from here to "I was only following orders".

This is what I mean when I say that Christianity is morally vacuous. Anything is allowable as long as you can claim God's acquiescence. Thinking becomes unnecessary.

OB
Many things have been done "in the name of God " that were clearly not but don't confuse that with Christianity. It doesn't give you the right to justify anything you want. God certainly gave us a brain and intended for us to use it I'm curious do people convert to atheism and turn their lives around? Get off drugs? Become better people? Maybe they do just asking. It seems you have Christianity confused with something else.
 
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But who can forget that excellent late night discussion that those guys had regarding personal implications as regards problems with their bay-ay-by.


Farnsey and Barnham exuded post-Kantian rhetoric.

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If only as much concern was given to the babies who could be saved

Darn it. I just lost $5. I bet my wife that it would be at least a dozen posts before someone brought that up.

But there aren't many people who would deem it acceptable to abort a full term baby (extreme medical emergencies aside). Except that in this case you think it is morally acceptable.
 
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Many things have been done "in the name of God " that were clearly not...

If literally killing everyone on the planet is morally acceptable then what on earth could possibly be deemed unacceptable?
 
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If literally killing everyone on the planet is morally acceptable then what on earth could possibly be deemed unacceptable?


Eating apples? :rolleyes:

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Darn it. I just lost $5. I bet my wife that it would be at least a dozen posts before someone brought that up.

But there aren't many people who would deem it acceptable to abort a full term baby (extreme medical emergencies aside). Except that in this case you think it is morally acceptable.
There are people who want no restrictions whatsoever. When something is medically necessary I stay out of that. I would hate to have to make a decision like that
 
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There are people who want no restrictions whatsoever. When something is medically necessary I stay out of that. I would hate to have to make a decision like that

I think you should address the point that you actually made yourself: If abortion is wrong, how can drowning a planet full of children be right?
 
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If literally killing everyone on the planet is morally acceptable then what on earth could possibly be deemed unacceptable?
If you want to judge God go ahead. There is no need for me to argue with you. You apparently don't understand what corrupted means and you wouldn't accept my explanation anyway
 
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I think you should address the point that you actually made yourself: If abortion is wrong, how can drowning a planet full of children be right?
You don't understand what corrupted means and even if I explain you wouldn't accept it
 
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If you want to judge God go ahead. There is no need for me to argue with you. You apparently don't understand what corrupted means and you wouldn't accept my explanation anyway

Neither @Bradskii or I is judging God. We can't make judgements about something which, from our point of view, is non-existent.

What we are questioning is the morality of accepting genocide simply because you (i.e., many Christians) believe that it was sanctioned and done by God.

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If literally killing everyone on the planet is morally acceptable then what on earth could possibly be deemed unacceptable?[/QUOTE
If literally killing everyone on the planet is morally acceptable then what on earth could possibly be deemed unacceptable?
You took the first sentence of my post and didn't answer my questions
 
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If you want to judge God go ahead. There is no need for me to argue with you. You apparently don't understand what corrupted means and you wouldn't accept my explanation anyway

I keep having to say this, but it isn't God that is being judged. That point seems to fly straight over the heads of quite a few people in this thread.
 
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Neither @Bradskii or I is judging God. We can't make judgements about something which, from our point of view, is non-existent.

What we are questioning is the morality of accepting genocide simply because you (i.e., many Christians) believe that it was sanctioned and done by God.

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I can't speak for everyone but some believe that creation was corrupted. DNA was corrupted. Some believe that it was because man had grown so wicked. Neither of you answered my questions but that's okay
 
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I keep having to say this, but it isn't God that is being judged. That point seems to fly straight over the heads of quite a few people in this thread.
You can call it what you want but that is exactly what you are doing. But as OB said you can't judge something you don't believe in. So I can't argue with you.
 
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I can't speak for everyone but some believe that creation was corrupted. DNA was corrupted. Some believe that it was because man had grown so wicked. Neither of you answered my questions but that's okay

I haven't answered your questions because I was unaware you had asked any. You have made statements about 'corruption' - maybe this is what you mean.

In this context I have no idea what you mean by 'corruption' and if 'DNA became corrupted' how is this the fault of those whom God obliterated?

Remember God is all powerful and is the one who created all that there is. If there was 'corruption' then God was responsible. If there was corruption God had the power to remove it without resorting to genocide.

OB
 
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