Refuting Sola Scriptura - Why the Bible Alone is Not Sufficient

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Okay, you didn't want to present any holy scripture that teaches SS. I can live with that, I don't think any such holy scripture exists anyway. Perhaps a new topic will suit you better?

Do you know what SS is? If yes, please define it.

 

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Hello? You're trying to disprove SS. So far, all you've done is quote Scripture and your opinion.

No, you got that wrong. I am not disproving SS, you're supposed to be showing why it is true. I say "I do not see SS in my bible, is it in yours and if so then where?" and so far you've been very shy about showing me where it is.

 

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Do you know what SS is? If yes, please define it.

You posted a definition from "wiki" is it a good definition, can I use it as representing what you actually believe and teach about SS?

 

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You posted a definition from "wiki" is it a good definition, can I use it as representing what you actually believe and teach about SS?

Go for it.

 

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Go for it.

Is that definition what you believe? You haven't affirmed that it is. Are you holding back because you want to be free to disclaim it later if it proves to be erroneous?

 

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Is that definition what you believe? You haven't affirmed that it is. Are you holding back because you want to be free to disclaim it later if it proves to be erroneous?

Here's what I believe.

Sola scriptura (Latin ablative, "by Scripture alone") is the Christian doctrine that the Bible is the supreme authority in all matters of doctrine and practice.
-wiki-

 

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Here's what I believe.

Sola scriptura (Latin ablative, "by Scripture alone") is the Christian doctrine that the Bible is the supreme authority in all matters of doctrine and practice.
-wiki-

Well, I believe it is a doctrine held by some christians too. Are you one of the christians who happens to believe it as it is defined in that wiki quote?

 

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Well, I believe it is a doctrine held by some christians too. Are you one of the christians who happens to believe it as it is defined in that wiki quote?

Here's what I believe.

Sola scriptura (Latin ablative, "by Scripture alone") is the Christian doctrine that the Bible is the supreme authority in all matters of doctrine and practice.
-wiki-

You don't have anything do you.

 

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Here's what I believe.

Sola scriptura (Latin ablative, "by Scripture alone") is the Christian doctrine that the Bible is the supreme authority in all matters of doctrine and practice.
-wiki-

You don't have anything do you.

Where exactly does holy scripture teach that "the Bible is the supreme authority in all matters of doctrine and practice"?

 

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Where exactly does holy scripture teach that "the Bible is the supreme authority in all matters of doctrine and practice"?

Are you ready and willing to renounce Catholicism?

 

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Are you ready and willing to renounce Catholicism?

What an eccentric question. Since you didn't respond with biblical passages I am wondering if you have any to give?

 

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What an eccentric question. Since you didn't respond with biblical passages I am wondering if you have any to give?

We're making sure of what we believe. If SS is shown to you, are you willing to renounce Tradition?

 

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We're making sure of what we believe. If SS is shown to you, are you willing to renounce Tradition?

It depends on exactly what is "shown". The question of religious affiliation is wider than SS. And I do not think you ought to try to set traps in a discussion. Just say what you believe and why and let the "chips fall where they may". I am not asking you to abandon your denomination or meeting if you fail.

 

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It depends on exactly what is "shown". The question of religious affiliation is wider than SS. And I do not think you ought to try to set traps in a discussion. Just say what you believe and why and let the "chips fall where they may". I am not asking you to abandon your denomination or meeting if you fail.

You said, "Nice quote from wiki, is it your definition of SS or will you back away from it if it is analysed against the holy scriptures and church teaching?"

I'm asking you the same question. Are you willing to back away from Tradition?

 

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Leaving aside the question of the number of valid (God-breathed) OT books, would folks think the OT is lacking or is it complete for all things doctrinal and practice?

Yes, there may be interpretation, but the authority was scripture. Scripture is over which they might argue.

Yes, they may cite someone's tradition, but the authority was scripture. Not the tradition per se.

Here's Christ in Luke 24:27.
And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

Here's Peter in 2 Peter 1:21.
For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

Here's Paul in Acts 26:22.
Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:

Everyone good? Any disagreement?

So, SS is in OT.

 

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You said, "Nice quote from wiki, is it your definition of SS or will you back away from it if it is analysed against the holy scriptures and church teaching?"

I'm asking you the same question. Are you willing to back away from Tradition?

You didn't answer my question when I asked it did you? Now you want me to play along with you?

If you don't want a serious discussion without strings attached then say so. I asked you about a definition that you cut & pasted but did not affirm to be your own belief. You are asking me to throw away my faith if your verses prove a doctrine that you've been unwilling to affirm as your own. I did not ask you to abandon SS is you fail, I asked if you'd abandon the wiki quote if it proved indefensible and I asked because I want to know where you stand but I don't want to bargain with you about what religion you will follow if you fail. One's faith is far too important for such double dare style games.

 

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You didn't answer my question when I asked it did you? Now you want me to play along with you?

If you don't want a serious discussion without strings attached then say so. I asked you about a definition that you cut & pasted but did not affirm to be your own belief. You are asking me to throw away my faith if your verses prove a doctrine that you've been unwilling to affirm as your own. I did not ask you to abandon SS is you fail, I asked if you'd abandon the wiki quote if it proved indefensible and I asked because I want to know where you stand but I don't want to bargain with you about what religion you will follow if you fail. One's faith is far too important for such double dare style games.

I answered your questions. I already know you cannot renounce your religion's Traditions.

 

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I answered your questions. I already know you cannot renounce your religion's Traditions.

When will you be posting the holy scripture passages to support SS?

 

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When will you be posting the holy scripture passages to support SS?

See post #1875. Can you agree? If not, why not?