Refuting Sola Scriptura - Why the Bible Alone is Not Sufficient

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

I think that interpretation depends on the level of truth that God has led one to. And that crosses all denominations. Truth is narrow but infinately deep.

 

[Rick Otto]

I think that interpretation depends on the level of truth that God has led one to. And that crosses all denominations. Truth is narrow but infinately deep.

I once heard that the church in some places is like a river that is a mile wide, but only an inch deep.

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

I once heard that the church in some places is like a river that is a mile wide, but only an inch deep.

That's an interesting contrast .. I wonder if they meant the visable or the invisable church

 

[Rick Otto]

That's an interesting contrast .. I wonder if they meant the visable or the invisable church

This was about the visible church.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Where exactly does holy scripture say that holy scripture is sufficient for defining doctrine clearly enough so that only the perverse and deliberate misinterpretation of it would arrive at differing doctrines? Even the one passage that appears to express confidence in the usefulness of holy scripture in equipping a teacher in the church does not make the claim that holy scripture is sufficient for defining doctrine unambiguously. The passage says this:

2 Timothy 3:14-17 You must keep to what you have been taught and know to be true; remember who your teachers were, (15) and how, ever since you were a child, you have known the holy scriptures -from these you can learn the wisdom that leads to salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. (16) All scripture is inspired by God and useful for refuting error, for guiding people's lives and teaching them to be upright. (17) This is how someone who is dedicated to God becomes fully equipped and ready for any good work.​

Saint Paul reminds saint Timothy that what he was taught by his grand mother, mother, and by saint Paul himself forms the interpretive framework through which he is to use holy scripture for refuting error, guiding people's lives, and teaching them to be upright. With holy scripture the teacher in the church become fully equipped and ready for any good work yet he must approach holy scripture with the teaching he had received and through which the holy scriptures are to be read.

It is sufficient as it says it is.
I don't judge truth by how many and who believe it.
It does not claim to be sufficient for settling disputes between men over how to interpret it.
...

 

[Rick Otto]

Where exactly does holy scripture say that holy scripture is sufficient for defining doctrine clearly enough so that only the perverse and deliberate misinterpretation of it would arrive at differing doctrines? Even the one passage that appears to express confidence in the usefulness of holy scripture in equipping a teacher in the church does not make the claim that holy scripture is sufficient for defining doctrine unambiguously. The passage says this:

2 Timothy 3:14-17 You must keep to what you have been taught and know to be true; remember who your teachers were, (15) and how, ever since you were a child, you have known the holy scriptures -from these you can learn the wisdom that leads to salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. (16) All scripture is inspired by God and useful for refuting error, for guiding people's lives and teaching them to be upright. (17) This is how someone who is dedicated to God becomes fully equipped and ready for any good work.​

Saint Paul reminds saint Timothy that what he was taught by his grand mother, mother, and by saint Paul himself forms the interpretive framework through which he is to use holy scripture for refuting error, guiding people's lives, and teaching them to be upright. With holy scripture the teacher in the church become fully equipped and ready for any good work yet he must approach holy scripture with the teaching he had received and through which the holy scriptures are to be read.

You moved the goalpost.

2 Tim. 3:16-17, "All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; 17 that the man of God may be adequate--equipped for every good work."

Refresh me which good work you say it isn't sufficient for.

 

[Rick Otto]

Sorry if I stopped the conversation.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Sorry.

If there's no passage to teach SS then fine. Let's move on.

You moved the goalpost.

2 Tim. 3:16-17, "All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; 17 that the man of God may be adequate--equipped for every good work."

Refresh me which good work you say it isn't sufficient for.

 

[Rick Otto]

Sorry.

If there's no passage to teach SS then fine. Let's move on.

Please.
I'm sure we've discussed this enough that you are at least familiar with Paul & the Bereans having demonstrated it.

Besides,... Surely YOU are aware of how deeply ironic it is to ask anyone where in scripture is Sola scripture?

So I can understand the desire to move along.

 

[MoreCoffee]

I still don't see a passage in your post.

Let's move on.

Please.
I'm sure we've discussed this enough that you are at least familiar with Paul & the Bereans having demonstrated it.

Besides,... Surely YOU are aware of how deeply ironic it is to ask anyone where in scripture is Sola scripture?

So I can understand the desire to move along.

 

[Rick Otto]

I still don't see a passage in your post.

Let's move on.

You don't see the irony in yours either.
Go ahead. Run.

 

[MoreCoffee]

If you find a passage please provide a citation or a quote & citation.

In the absence of a passage let's move on.

You don't see the irony in yours either.
Go ahead. Run.

 

[Rick Otto]

If you find a passage please provide a citation or a quote & citation.

In the absence of a passage let's move on.

I mentioned it. I just don't need to hear your stock rejection again.
If you want to pretend that you don't know I'm referring to the passage in Acts about Paul and the Bereans, I understand, but it it isn't as entertaining as the irony in asking for proof of Sola Scripture from scripture.

 

[MoreCoffee]

The Bereans mention in Acts were Jews not Christians.

 

[Rick Otto]

The Bereans mention in Acts were Jews not Christians.

So was Jesus.
Got a point?

 

[Rick Otto]

Sola Scriptura doesn't need you to be a Christian for it to work.
It just requires honesty and clarity.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Jesus is the Christ and hence a Christian" insofar as he set the path that Christians follow (or at least are called to follow). Christ is no more a Jew (religiously speaking) than is saint Paul, saint Peter, or saint Luke.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Obviously.

Sola Scriptura doesn't need you to be a Christian.

 

[Rick Otto]

Jesus is the Christ and hence a Christian" insofar as he set the path that Christians follow (or at least are called to follow). Christ is no more Jew (religiously speaking) than is saint Paul, saint Peter, or saint Luke.

Fabulous.
Jesus wasn't a Jew.
I 'll waste no more of your time.
Good day.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Thank you.

We've moved on.

No scripture to teach SS, now what is the source of SS?

Fabulous.
Jesus wasn't a Jew.
I 'll waste no more of your time.
Good day.