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Is that because "The Church" as you call her, is above the truth, being the sole authority interpreting it, as it she claims?And yet, even Jerome didn't have the authority to change the Canon that had already been set at Carthage, Hippo and Rome. Yes, there will always be disputes, but the Church's Canon of Scripture has not changed in 1800 years, and will not.
Academically.And Josephus is authoritative...how?
No, the Church is THE Truth. Christ sent His Paraclete to guide her in all Truth, remember?Is that because "The Church" as you call her, is above the truth, being the sole authority interpreting it, as it she claims?
Which means nothing, regarding the Church's Canon of Scripture, which is derived from the LXX.Academically.
From Wiki:
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The works of Josephus include material about individuals, groups, customs, and geographical places. Some of these, such as the city of Seron, receive no mention in the surviving texts of any other ancient authority. His writings provide a significant, extra-Biblical account of the post-Exilic period of the Maccabees, the Hasmonean dynasty, and the rise of Herod the Great. He refers to the Sadducees, Jewish High Priests of the time, Pharisees and Essenes, the Herodian Temple, Quirinius' census and the Zealots, and to such figures asPontius Pilate, Herod the Great, Agrippa I and Agrippa II, John the Baptist, James the brother of Jesus, and to Jesus (for more see Josephus on Jesus).[23] Josephus represents an important source for studies of immediate post-Temple Judaism and the context of early Christianity.
A careful reading of Josephus's writings and years of excavation allowed Ehud Netzer, an archaeologist from Hebrew University, to discover what he considered to be the location of Herod's Tomb, after a search of 35 years.[24] It was aboveaqueducts and pools, at a flattened desert site, halfway up the hill to the Herodium, 12 kilometers south of Jerusalem—as described in Josephus's writings.[25] In October 2013, archaeologists Joseph Patrich and Benjamin Arubas challenged the identification of the tomb as that of Herod.[26] According to Patrich and Arubas, the tomb is too modest to be Herod's and has several unlikely features.[26] Roi Porat, who replaced Netzer as excavation leader after the latter's death, stood by the identification.[26]
Manuscripts, textual criticism and editionsEdit
For many years, printed editions of the works of Josephus appeared only in an imperfect Latin translation from the original Greek. Only in 1544 did a version of the standard Greek text become available, edited by the Dutch humanist Arnoldus Arlenius. The first English translation, by Thomas Lodge, appeared in 1602, with subsequent editions appearing throughout the 17th century. The 1544 Greek edition formed the basis of the 1732 English translation by William Whiston, which achieved enormous popularity in the English-speaking world. It was often the book—after the Bible—that Christians most frequently owned.[citation needed] A cross-reference apparatus for Whiston's version of Josephus and the biblical canon also exists.[27][28]
Later editions of the Greek text include that of Benedikt Niese, who made a detailed examination of all the available manuscripts, mainly from France and Spain. Henry St. John Thackeray used Niese's version for the Loeb Classical Libraryedition widely used today. William Whiston, who created perhaps the most famous of the English translations of Josephus, claimed that certain works by Josephus had a similar style to the Epistles of St Paul (Saul).[29]
The standard editio maior of the various Greek manuscripts is that of Benedictus Niese, published 1885–95. The text ofAntiquities is damaged in some places. In the Life, Niese follows mainly manuscript P, but refers also to AMW and R. Henry St. John Thackeray for the Loeb Classical Library has a Greek text also mainly dependent on P.[citation needed] André Pelletier edited a new Greek text for his translation of Life. The ongoing Münsteraner Josephus-Ausgabe of Münster University will provide a new critical apparatus. There also exist late Old Slavonic translations of the Greek, but these contain a large number of Christian interpolations.[30]
WorksEdit
The works of Jewish historian, Josephus (37-100 ca), are major sources of our understanding of Jewish life and history during the first century.[31]
The works of Josephus translated byThomas Lodge (1602).
- (c. 75) War of the Jews, or The Jewish War, or Jewish Wars, or History of the Jewish War (commonly abbreviated JW, BJ or War)
- (date unknown) Josephus's Discourse to the Greeks concerning Hades (spurious; adaptation of "Against Plato, on the Cause of the Universe" by Hippolytus of Rome)
- (c. 94) Antiquities of the Jews, or Jewish Antiquities, or Antiquities of the Jews/Jewish Archeology (frequently abbreviated AJ, AotJ or Ant. or Antiq.)
- (c. 97) Flavius Josephus Against Apion, or Against Apion, or Contra Apionem, orAgainst the Greeks, on the antiquity of the Jewish people (usually abbreviated CA)
- (c. 99) The Life of Flavius Josephus, or Autobiography of Flavius Josephus(abbreviated Life or Vita)
That's really getting aggravating. Unless you're saying it's okay for me to call you a cultist, please knock it off.Romanists
And Josephus is authoritative...how?
You're saying that the Holy Spirit makes mistakes, which is flat out un-true. I'll take the Holy Spirit over Josephus.He is a Jewish historian - and knew a thing or two about the Jewish text - of the OT.
Far more than some pope coming along in the 4th century - long after Josephus. A Pope who knew less about the language than his own Latin Vulgate translator "Jerome" who placed in the text of the latin Bible the fact that the Apocryphal texts really did not belong - just as the Jews had said about their own text.
Details matter.
And that is yet another reason why we prefer sola scriptura to error-tradition
Regardless of who the authors were, the Sanhedrin had the authority to choose its canon, yet never set it in stone until Christianity did. The Pope and the Councils, likewise had the authority to choose the Church's canon.
You may call me what you will, as many others have, even with worse epithets. 'Cultist', doesn't bother me, see my 'name": Acts 24:14:That's really getting aggravating. Unless you're saying it's okay for me to call you a cultist, please knock it off.
*please note I think I accidently deleted part of your quote. It was not intentional*I do not ignore the divisions within the Catholic Church. The devil constantly scatters the sheep by isolating the shepherd. There's many divisions, but Catholic doctrine is not one of them. Those who disagree with it are simply not "Catholic". Just as the disciples fell away when Jesus said they must eat His flesh and drink though His blood.
Way epileptics were treated. In any case that the practice went for so long without being condemned by church leaders and was actually actively encouraged and promoted by priests shows that it was part of their belief. You can make excuses all you like but it doesn't change facts.Practices are not divinely inspired. What practice has been going on over 2000 years that you consider wrong?
Do you feel it is necessary to resort to petty comments. My personal belief on this is that the church is not a building or organisation but group of believers which is made up of people from all different denominations. If you want to talk about it as a organisation founded by Jesus then there is just as much evidence to prove orthodox was the one founded by Jesus as there is for RCC. More importantly anyone who wants to focus on petty stuff like this is missing the point on christianity.(By the way, you just admitted that the Catholic Church is the Church Christ founded...)
Have a look at what I wrote again and you will see it was a joke comment not meant to be responded to.We're talking about ceremony.
There you have it. You get the proper designation "Roman", while we lesser beings, are "condescen[ded]" to, and called "dissidents". I can cite other documentation which use a far greater hate-mongering and filth-spewing language coming from the pen/mouths of popes, prelates, bishops, etc. The other terms "Romish", "Romanist", "Papist", "Latins" [relig. conno.] simply variants, and merely identify them from the other so-called 'catholics' who do not adhere to the "Papacy", "pope", or to the "Latin rites", etc. They are distinguishing between multiple "catholics", who all do not share the same ideologies, practices, etc. All of those terms are used in Roman Catholic document
You're saying that the Holy Spirit makes mistakes, which is flat out un-true. I'll take the Holy Spirit over Josephus.
Careful 'brother', its a dangerous thing to attribute that which Christ Jesus by/through the Holy Spirit hath done, to the devil, for even the Pharisees stated that Christ Jesus himself was devil possessed, even as they had of John the Baptist:Oh, another 'used to be' Catholic. I see, now. The devil pried you away. There's only one Catholic.
The Jews who rejected Christ, including Josephus, as far as we know, have no authority at all.
Only those who accepted Christ, who quoted from the LXX in the Greek original of the New Testament, have any say in what is and is not authoritative.
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