Refuting OSAS in jesus name

[FreeGrace2]

Grace will never replace the BLOOD of Jesus
Your meaning of it anyway!
It's not supported
And if it is then the bible contradicts it self
Which means we're all wrong!??
I'm pretty sue the made of grace movement is wrong and not JESUS

What is the meaning of grace to you?

 

[lori milne]

What is the meaning of grace to you?

It's just a word used to define Favor in Gods eyes!

But it still just means unmerited favor in gods eyes!
This is from the original word in Hebrew Chen

Saved by grace is only used twice in the NT

We are saved by the blood of Jesus

Find out what Jesus teaches on Faith ysince it was symbolized to be his blood and you'll find the answer

 

[Hammster]

Yes I can say that God giving us his son is a gracious act but when do stop their!
How does it cover your sins when we all know it wasn't grace it was the Blood Grace to 99% of all Christians today believe it allows us to sin and were saved by grace

. That isn't supported in the bible if it was there'd be a direct contradiction! Find out what Jesus meant in his teaching in FAITH since it was a symbol of his blood.
Then you'll have your answer are your sins COVARD while you sin or as you love as a sinner

One more time. That God does anything good for us, including the blood of Christ, is an act of grace.

 

[lori milne]

One more time. That God does anything good for us, including the blood of Christ, is an act of grace.

but how does defining his actions give you freedom to sin and think it's covered?

 

[Albion]

but how does defining his actions give you freedom to sin and think it's covered?

No one here has suggested that you have freedom to sin under any circumstances with the assurance that it's covered.

 

[lori milne]

No one here has suggested that you have freedom to sin under any circumstances with the assurance that it's covered.

So you are all of one sound mind lol
Scary stuff
Do you believe your sins are COVARD by grace
After your repented once?

 

[Albion]

So you are all of one sound mind lol
Scary stuff

Why would understanding the tenets of our religion be considered scary? We all know the number of states in the union and the reason water turns to ice, so why can't a bunch of us together understand that we are forgiven through an act of Grace, and that when God forgives his people he really means it? It's a very straightforward concept, actually.

 

[Hammster]

but how does defining his actions give you freedom to sin and think it's covered?

Um...what? Who said anything about freedom to sin?

 

[Marvin Knox]

I notice some OSAS believers twisting or misinterpreting a lot of it!

EXAMPLES OF OXYMORONS

Exaggeration is a billion times worse than understatement.

· Death to all fanatics!

· An oral contract isn't worth the paper it's written on.

· If we do not succeed, we run the risk of failure.

· I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!

· The shortest distance between two points is how far apart they
are.

· Grammar has gots to be one of the most importantest things
ever?

· I am becoming increasingly worried that there isn't enough
anxiety in my life.

· I have this nagging fear that everyone is out to make me
paranoid.

· Life is full of uncertainties...or I could be wrong about that?

· Not only am I redundant and superfluous, but I also tend to use
more words than necessary.

· Always remember you're unique... just like everyone else. ·

And last but not least - “TEMPORARY ETERNAL LIFE

 

[lori milne]

The Christian calling (Rom. 8:29-30) is based on grace—unmerited pardon of past sins and forgiveness upon genuine repentance. Christians understand that the very salvation offered to them is a gift, and that they must continue to live a lifetime of obedience (Acts 5:32, John 14:15) and overcoming.

 

[lori milne]

The Christian calling (Rom. 8:29-30) is based on grace—unmerited pardon of past sins and forgiveness upon genuine repentance. Christians understand that the very salvation offered to them is a gift, and that they must continue to live a lifetime of obedience (Acts 5:32, John 14:15) and overcoming.

Lasciviousness means “license to sin.” It could also be defined as “unrestrained liberty” or “abuse of privilege.” In essence, this meant license to do what seems right in one’s own eyes, according to one’s own conscience.
Just as Simon Magus (Acts 8:9-24) and others turned God’s grace into license to disobey His law, this same attitude permeates the minds of most professing Christians today.

 

[St_Worm2]

Hi Lori, I have hesitated contiuing with my description of TULIP because this is such an active thread right now, and TULIP has little to do with your OP. I will get back to it later though.

That said, I'd like to join the ongoing conversation about how we are saved, IOW, saved by "Grace/Faith" verses being saved by the "blood of Christ".

What does it mean to you that we are saved by the blood of Christ .. IOW, how do you believe His blood saves us? How does that work?

BTW, I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm just trying to understand what you mean because you've established a dichotomy which simply does not exist (between God's grace and the work that Christ did on our behalf).

Free Grace is also correct about another point, that the Bible is God's word. All of it is "God-breathed" (2 Timothy 3:16), which tells us that it is not the words of men that God has influenced in some manner or another, but that the words contained within the Holy Writ are truly HIS words, words which proceeded from HIS mouth, words which He "breathed-out".

As such, you cannot dismiss even a single instance of clear didactic teaching like, "By grace you have been saved through faith....", in favor of another teaching that you believe contradicts it. Rather, as FreeGrace2 insisted, you need to figure out how to harmonize all the verses and passages in the Bible. If your interpretation of the Bible leaves you with contradictions, you need to go back and try again because God does not contradict Himself.

Yours and His,
David

 

[Albion]

Christians understand that the very salvation offered to them is a gift, and that they must continue to live a lifetime of obedience (Acts 5:32, John 14:15) and overcoming.

Shall we simply say that this is your POV and let it go at that? I mean, there's hardly a Christian of any denomination who agrees with your interpretation of Scripture on this point, but you're entitled to it, so why are we arguing? Oh yes, it's because you resent that we don't agree with your interpretation, isn't it?

 

[lori milne]

Salvation results from grace—unmerited pardon. The calling to and the gift of repentance are not earned by works. God’s grace is not earned by works. All that human beings have earned is death. To be under grace does not mean that we have already achieved salvation. It means we have been given unmerited pardon and are in the process of overcoming and enduring. Those who endure to the end of this physical existence are saved—saved from eternal death. No one can boast that he has achieved salvation in this life. “But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved” (Matt. 24:13). Having endured and overcome means that one has “qualified.” It also means that one can disqualify himself by failing to endure or overcome. Yet, the calling, the justification—this grace is a gift. Salvation results from God’s grace.

 

[Hammster]

The Christian calling (Rom. 8:29-30) is based on grace—unmerited pardon of past sins and forgiveness upon genuine repentance. Christians understand that the very salvation offered to them is a gift, and that they must continue to live a lifetime of obedience (Acts 5:32, John 14:15) and overcoming.

So Christ's blood only covers sins up to a point, and then it's on a payment plan?

 

[lori milne]

Hi Lori, I have hesitated contiuing with my description of TULIP because this is such an active thread right now, and TULIP has little to do with your OP. I will get back to it later though. That said, I'd like to join the ongoing conversation about how we are saved, IOW, saved by "Grace/Faith" verses being saved by the "blood of Christ". What does it mean to you that we are saved by the blood of Christ .. IOW, how do you believe His blood saves us? How does that work? BTW, I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm just trying to understand what you mean because you've established a dichotomy which simply does not exist (between God's grace and the work that Christ did on our behalf). Free Grace is also correct about another point, that the Bible is God's word. All of it is "God-breathed" (2 Timothy 3:16), which tells us that it is not the words of men that God has influenced in some manner or another, but that the words contained within the Holy Writ are truly HIS words, words which proceeded from HIS mouth, words which He "breathed-out". As such, you cannot dismiss even a single instance of clear didactic teaching like, "By grace you have been saved through faith....", in favor of another teaching that you believe contradicts it. Rather, as FreeGrace2 insisted, you need to figure out how to harmonize all the verses and passages in the Bible. If your interpretation of the Bible leaves you with contradictions, you need to go back and try again because God does not contradict Himself. Yours and His, David

A question for you to understand your believe?
So I don't misquote you
Saved by grace is a phrase you feel merits the COVARD sin in your life ? Or do you feel you can't sin because your saved/ elected ?

 

[Hammster]

Salvation results from grace—unmerited pardon. The calling to and the gift of repentance are not earned by works. God’s grace is not earned by works. All that human beings have earned is death. To be under grace does not mean that we have already achieved salvation. It means we have been given unmerited pardon and are in the process of overcoming and enduring. Those who endure to the end of this physical existence are saved—saved from eternal death. No one can boast that he has achieved salvation in this life. “But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved” (Matt. 24:13). Having endured and overcome means that one has “qualified.” It also means that one can disqualify himself by failing to endure or overcome. Yet, the calling, the justification—this grace is a gift. Salvation results from God’s grace.

Justification is by faith. I can say I've achieved that. Sanctification is a process.

 

[ToBeBlessed]

Salvation results from grace;unmerited pardon. The calling to and the gift of repentance are not earned by works. God’s grace is not earned by works. All that human beings have earned is death. To be under grace does not mean that we have already achieved salvation. It means we have been given unmerited pardon and are in the process of overcoming and enduring. Those who endure to the end of this physical existence are saved—saved from eternal death. No one can boast that he has achieved salvation in this life. “But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved” (Matt. 24:13). Having endured and overcome means that one has “qualified.” It also means that one can disqualify himself by failing to endure or overcome. Yet, the calling, the justification—this grace is a gift. Salvation results from God’s grace.

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[ToBeBlessed]

Salvation results from grace;unmerited pardon. The calling to and the gift of repentance are not earned by works. God’s grace is not earned by works. All that human beings have earned is death. To be under grace does not mean that we have already achieved salvation. It means we have been given unmerited pardon and are in the process of overcoming and enduring. Those who endure to the end of this physical existence are saved—saved from eternal death. No one can boast that he has achieved salvation in this life. “But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved” (Matt. 24:13). Having endured and overcome means that one has “qualified.” It also means that one can disqualify himself by failing to endure or overcome. Yet, the calling, the justification—this grace is a gift. Salvation results from God’s grace.

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[lori milne]

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