Brother Chris said:
Do you think judas was saved before he became a unbeliever considering he hung him self in guilt
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Brother Chris said:No, a true believer can not "loose" salvation. But an unsaved professing Christian, can abandon their profession of faith. It's to those people that the warnings in scripture are for.
Do you think judas was saved before he became a unbeliever considering he hung him self in guilt
Brother Chris said:Judas was never saved. Jesus clearly stated that Judas never believed, John 6:64-70. Again, not everyone that hung around Jesus was a true believer, just like today, not everyone that hangs around the church is truly saved.
I prefer answers to my questions before I answer other questions. But, yes, I don't believe that salvation can be lost, for numerous reasons. All found in Scripture.Do you believe you can't loose your salvation ?
I don't see loss of salvation anywhere in Scripture. If that idea were true, we'd be seeing it every where in Scripture. But we don't see it any where.Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him. But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul
Hebrews‬ [bless and do not curse]10‬:[bless and do not curse]38-39‬ KJV
If you read youll see it every ware
FreeGrace2 said:I don't see loss of salvation anywhere in Scripture. If that idea were true, we'd be seeing it every where in Scripture. But we don't see it any where.
Just to be clear here, if an unsaved professing Christian simply improves their lifestyle, they will then be saved? How does that work?No, a true believer can not "loose" salvation. But an unsaved professing Christian, can abandon their profession of faith. It's to those people that the warnings in scripture are for.
There is no evidence anywhere in Scripture that he ever believed. In fact, every person is born an unbeliever. So he was always an unbeliever.Do you think judas was saved before he became a unbeliever considering he hung him self in guilt
I'm sorry but I don't know what your sentence means. Why would having fear of God be wrong, and what verses state contrary?Well then the fear of God is wrong and all the verses that sate contrary is a contradiction :/
So then do you believe current and future sins are covered meaning you can live in sin and be forgiven or do you repent in an on going manner ?
And then with that is their no fear of God keeping you free from sin.
FreeGrace2 said:I'm sorry but I don't know what your sentence means. Why would having fear of God be wrong, and what verses state contrary? Please cite verses to support your statements. That would help a great deal in clarifying your statements.
True.When Jesus Christ hung on the cross, He paid for all the sins of everyone who will ever be saved, past, present and future. It says in Hebrews that He gave himself up as a sacrifice for sin, once for all time. Jesus is not going to return to earth and die on the cross for your future sins. Therefore, all your sins, past, present and future, were paid for at the cross.
Sadly, not true. All believers still have their sin nature and choose which nature they will follow. That was Paul's message in Rom 6; to whom will you obey as slaves: to sin or to righteousness. It is a choice. When Solomon was old, his wives turned his heart away from the Lord. The result; the kingdom was torn from his hand. This is found in 1 Kings 11:1-13.A true believer will not continue living in sin. Such a person is not a Christian, and it's contrary the new nature. A true believer will confess and repent of his sins, continually, but he will not sin like an unbeliever does.
That is incorrect. The Bible tells us what pleases God (keeps us in His favor).The fear of God keeps your in his favor / grace OT -NT
How so? Please clarify.But God is the same yesterday today and tomorrow means contrary to OSAS
Yes, all the verses are in the Bible. ??All the versus are in the bible
What "only place"? And which verse SAYS living in sin means going to hell. Are you not familiar with John 3:36? "He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."the only place you'll ever see or find over and over if you live in sin you'll go to hell!
I prefer to read the lines, not what's between them. In fact, there is nothing between the lines but empty space.I think it's almost impossible to read between every line ?
The key is to discern what is meant by the various meanings of "death" in Scripture. It isn't all about eternal death, or even physical death.Or do just dismiss direct implications to death or of what death actually means
OK, how does this verse support your opinions? I don't see any relevancy here.But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death. Do not err, my beloved brethren
[bless and do not curse]James‬ [bless and do not curse]1‬:[bless and do not curse]14-16‬ KJV
FreeGrace2 said:That is incorrect. The Bible tells us what pleases God (keeps us in His favor). Heb 11:6 - And without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of those who seek Him. How so? Please clarify. Yes, all the verses are in the Bible. ?? What "only place"? And which verse SAYS living in sin means going to hell. Are you not familiar with John 3:36? "“He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." I prefer to read the lines, not what's between them. In fact, there is nothing between the lines but empty space. The key is to discern what is meant by the various meanings of "death" in Scripture. It isn't all about eternal death, or even physical death. OK, how does this verse support your opinions? I don't see any relevancy here.
FreeGrace2 said:That is incorrect. The Bible tells us what pleases God (keeps us in His favor). Heb 11:6 - And without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of those who seek Him. How so? Please clarify. Yes, all the verses are in the Bible. ?? What "only place"? And which verse SAYS living in sin means going to hell. Are you not familiar with John 3:36? "“He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." I prefer to read the lines, not what's between them. In fact, there is nothing between the lines but empty space. The key is to discern what is meant by the various meanings of "death" in Scripture. It isn't all about eternal death, or even physical death. OK, how does this verse support your opinions? I don't see any relevancy here.
FreeGrace2 said:There is no evidence anywhere in Scripture that he ever believed. In fact, every person is born an unbeliever. So he was always an unbeliever.
Brother Chris said:When Jesus Christ hung on the cross, He paid for all the sins of everyone who will ever be saved, past, present and future. It says in Hebrews that He gave himself up as a sacrifice for sin, once for all time. Jesus is not going to return to earth and die on the cross for your future sins. Therefore, all your sins, past, present and future, were paid for at the cross. A true believer will not continue living in sin. Such a person is not a Christian, and it's contrary the new nature. A true believer will confess and repent of his sins, continually, but he will not sin like an unbeliever does.
FreeGrace2 said:This is not true. If it were, why so many passages addressed to believers to live lives worthy of the Name? It would be automatic for all who have believed if your claim were true. The truth is that even God's children can and will be rebellious. Anything that is not of faith is sin (Rom 14:23), and sin is rebellion against God. The reformed doctrine of the Perseverance of the saints is not Biblical. Believers are called TO persevere. It isn't automatic. We are commanded to "be holy" (1 Thess 4:7, 1 Pet 1:15,16, 2 Pet 3:11, etc). To be clear, many call themselves "Christian", but have no idea what the Bible says about what that means. They have NOT professed Christ as Savior. They think by being "good" they are "Christian", or some such nonsense. King David was a believer when he saw Bathsheba bathing. And that didn't turn out well. He received great discipline from the Lord. That said, OSAS is true because Paul wrote that there is nothing in the present or in the future that can separate believers from the love of Christ (Rom 8:38). Unless someone can prove that Paul didn't really mean nothing in the future, such as loss of faith, or entangling oneself into a lifestyle of sin, then there is no reason to believe that even those horrible things can separate us from the love of Christ. Paul was just as clear in 1 Thess 5:4-10 where he contrasted unbelievers as belonging to the night (asleep-v.6) and believers as belonging to the day (alert). Then he concludes in v.10 - who died for us, so that whether we are awake or asleep, we will live together with Him. The "us" is believers. Being "awake or asleep" from the context refers to lifestyle. So it is clear from v.10 that all believers, whether awake or asleep will live together with Him. This is a great promise and guarantee.
FreeGrace2 said:That is incorrect. The Bible tells us what pleases God (keeps us in His favor). Heb 11:6 - And without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of those who seek Him. How so? Please clarify. Yes, all the verses are in the Bible. ?? What "only place"? And which verse SAYS living in sin means going to hell. Are you not familiar with John 3:36? "“He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." I prefer to read the lines, not what's between them. In fact, there is nothing between the lines but empty space. The key is to discern what is meant by the various meanings of "death" in Scripture. It isn't all about eternal death, or even physical death. OK, how does this verse support your opinions? I don't see any relevancy here.
FreeGrace2 said:That is incorrect. The Bible tells us what pleases God (keeps us in His favor). Heb 11:6 - And without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of those who seek Him. How so? Please clarify. Yes, all the verses are in the Bible. ?? What "only place"? And which verse SAYS living in sin means going to hell. Are you not familiar with John 3:36? "“He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." I prefer to read the lines, not what's between them. In fact, there is nothing between the lines but empty space. The key is to discern what is meant by the various meanings of "death" in Scripture. It isn't all about eternal death, or even physical death. OK, how does this verse support your opinions? I don't see any relevancy here.
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