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Danfrey said:I am saying that the cover is a clear scriptural teaching. Each person will be held accountable to God for the commands he has given that we choose to reject.
My point is that we can not pick and choose which scriptural teachings are salvation issues and which are not unless the scripture teaches them that way. For instance, we are told not to judge or be judged on holy days, food, and Sabaths. We live in a society that likes to raise personal preference above scriptural teaching. Bring up the issue of wedding rings and see how quick the conversation starts spinning.
The headcover is not part of the law. The headcover is a New Testament teaching. We are no longer under the law of Moses, but that does not relieve us from the responsibility to obey scripture. Jesus told us to go into all the world making disciples of men and teaching them to obey all the things he commanded themlambslove said:Do you think that Christians must obey the Laws of Moses?
Danfrey said:The headcover is not part of the law. The headcover is a New Testament teaching. We are no longer under the law of Moses, but that does not relieve us from the responsibility to obey scripture. Jesus told us to go into all the world making disciples of men and teaching them to obey all the things he commanded them
I agree Danfrey in the part that we should not pick and choose commandments. Everyone makes a big deal about the ten commandments, but there are also a lot of commandments in Leviticus and many other books that people ignore. We shouldn't do that.lambslove said:Do you think that Christians must obey the Laws of Moses?
If we continue in sin without repentance, how can we not lose our salvation?theAmishGirl said:I agree Danfrey in the part that we should not pick and choose commandments. Everyone makes a big deal about the ten commandments, but there are also a lot of commandments in Leviticus and many other books that people ignore. We shouldn't do that.
but the Bible states that salvation is through faith and while we are accountable for the deeds which we have done and/or not done on this earth, I do not, will not, and have never believed that it is a salvation issue when we disobey a commandment. If that is true, then everytime you have a hateful or spiteful thought, you lose your salvation!
lambslove said:Jesus didn't command the headcovering, Paul did.
theAmishGirl said:I agree Danfrey in the part that we should not pick and choose commandments. Everyone makes a big deal about the ten commandments, but there are also a lot of commandments in Leviticus and many other books that people ignore. We shouldn't do that.
but the Bible states that salvation is through faith and while we are accountable for the deeds which we have done and/or not done on this earth, I do not, will not, and have never believed that it is a salvation issue when we disobey a commandment. If that is true, then everytime you have a hateful or spiteful thought, you lose your salvation!
Danfrey said:So, are you saying that Paul's letters are not authoritive? If this is the case, I will drop this conversation because we no longer have common ground on which to discuss it.
Danfrey said:If we continue in sin without repentance, how can we not lose our salvation?
I would consider all the teachings of the New Testament to be the teachings of Christ, not just the Jesus of that walked in the flesh but the Jesus whom is God, who through the holy spirit gave men the New Testament so that we could learn to follow his teachings. If they were not, the New Testament would be of no use.lambslove said:No, that's not what I am saying. You said we need to cover so we will obey the teachings of Jesus, but Jesus was silent on headcoverings. It was Paul who mentioned headcoverings, not Jesus.
Danfrey said:I would consider all the teachings of the New Testament to be the teachings of Christ, not just the Jesus of that walked in the flesh but the Jesus whom is God, who through the holy spirit gave men the New Testament so that we could learn to follow his teachings. If they were not, the New Testament would be of no use.
menno said:Apostolic writing is authoritative...even if it's not written in red
lambslove said:Never said it wasn't. Go back and read what I wrote one more time. My comment wasn't that Paul has less authority, but that Dan misquoted, claiming Jesus said those words when it was really Paul.
Danfrey said:Actually, Daniel is very aware of who's words are written in 1 Cor 11, but as I said before. The whole New Testament are the words of Christ.
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