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Thank you.Breathe.
I love the names of your family.
Congratulations on your upcoming anniversary. 15 years is quite a milestone.
.......someday you will see Little Buffalo again; that'll be a happy day.
I find comfort in knowing that. This time of year is difficult for me. I miscarried Little Buffalo on the 2nd of January of 2004. I have had people tell me to just get over my miscarriage but I simply cannot. I have been shamed for naming this child after he died. I do not know how to just forget my son just because he was not born into this world.
I just recently joined in here. I don't feel comfortable coming here right now. I don't know what has happened and don't know if I want to know.However, where I go I am myself and I think that's a good thing. I thought this was a place to discuss problems then I am told to leave them behind. I don't know that I'll be back. Peace.
My dearest friends of my Circles,
I offer my heart felt apologies to each one of you for the turmoil and chaos that has been brought into my Circles. I want to assure all of you that I am desperately praying for peace to be restored here. I have put my heart and soul into these Circles. Each one of them were entrusted into my care by Father Wakan Takan. I have done what I can to care for and protect those within each one of them . I am truly grateful to each one of you for your patience and understanding during this difficult time. And I am truly grateful for all the prayers offered on my behalf, for all the words of encouragement, and for all the loving support I have received from each of you.
And to my newest friends in my Circles,
I am truly sorry that you have had to witness such chaotic activity here. I pray for each of you as you decide whether or not to stay. If you choose not to, I will understand, but I pray you will stay with us and help us weather this storm. Once again, my friends, I am deeply sorry. I am grieved, not simply over what has happened here, but moreso over how it has affected my friends who find refuge within my Circles.
Red Fox
My dearest friends of my Circles,
I offer my heart felt apologies to each one of you for the turmoil and chaos that has been brought into my Circles. I want to assure all of you that I am desperately praying for peace to be restored here. I have put my heart and soul into these Circles. Each one of them were entrusted into my care by Father Wakan Takan. I have done what I can to care for and protect those within each one of them . I am truly grateful to each one of you for your patience and understanding during this difficult time. And I am truly grateful for all the prayers offered on my behalf, for all the words of encouragement, and for all the loving support I have received from each of you.
And to my newest friends in my Circles,
I am truly sorry that you have had to witness such chaotic activity here. I pray for each of you as you decide whether or not to stay. If you choose not to, I will understand, but I pray you will stay with us and help us weather this storm. Once again, my friends, I am deeply sorry. I am grieved, not simply over what has happened here, but moreso over how it has affected my friends who find refuge within my Circles.
Red Fox
Stranger seems like he really w ants to be forgiven and to be here and I am not sure if he is positive that he has done wrong, but at the same time, we really cannot write him off, I do not think, because that would be disrespectful to him in a large sense.
Perhaps the problem cannot be resolved simply. But at the same time, perhaps it should be treated simply: forgive him.
Christ asked us to forgive others. Forgiving is also what we have to do as our Father forgives us all for our wrong doings. To be forgiven one must forgive.
I ask that we all forgive each other on all accounts of wrong doing, for there is a certain sincerity happening.
I think perhaps you should have a private conversation with him. He seems shaken up about this.
These are NDN (iNDiaN) names that I have given them, and we use them only in the haven of our own home. When we are not at home we use our non-native names. We receive too many raised eyebrows otherwise, especially when I say their names in Cherokee to gain their attention.
Their names must sound especially cool when you say them in Cherokee!
Very nice picture of your family. I love when we can see each other. I have to try and put up a picture here. I do have some on my myspace
http://www.myspace.com/amylisa3 if you want to check it out sometime!
Don't worry about us newbies to your circle. This is a public forum and things happen.
Yes Ivy there are some very nice people here!
I am very happy to report that my little Mario is doing better today. Still coughing but much better. Thank God! No hospital trip!
I must go food shopping in a few minutes. There's not much in the house to eat and we have a big snowstorm coming today.
The peace of Yeshua to you all!
Hello my friend.All I can share is that staff is actively working on reports and addressing any and all issues. It is in no way the fault of this circle.
Thank you to all in the circle for your patience as we all work to help you clean things up...
God Bless you all my friends - and thank you for allowing me to post here once again..I always feel cared about and welcome when I come here...
No apologies necessary, stuff happensMy dearest friends of my Circles,
I offer my heart felt apologies to each one of you for the turmoil and chaos that has been brought into my Circles. I want to assure all of you that I am desperately praying for peace to be restored here. I have put my heart and soul into these Circles. Each one of them were entrusted into my care by Father Wakan Takan. I have done what I can to care for and protect those within each one of them . I am truly grateful to each one of you for your patience and understanding during this difficult time. And I am truly grateful for all the prayers offered on my behalf, for all the words of encouragement, and for all the loving support I have received from each of you.
And to my newest friends in my Circles,
I am truly sorry that you have had to witness such chaotic activity here. I pray for each of you as you decide whether or not to stay. If you choose not to, I will understand, but I pray you will stay with us and help us weather this storm. Once again, my friends, I am deeply sorry. I am grieved, not simply over what has happened here, but moreso over how it has affected my friends who find refuge within my Circles.
Red Fox
HelloHello my lovlies! I have not checked in on youin a while! How ya'll been?
I would imagine that would make people look.These are NDN (iNDiaN) names that I have given them, and we use them only in the haven of our own home. When we are not at home we use our non-native names. We receive too many raised eyebrows otherwise, especially when I say their names in Cherokee to gain their attention.
I do not see why there would be shame in naming him.I find comfort in knowing that. This time of year is difficult for me. I miscarried Little Buffalo on the 2nd of January of 2004. I have had people tell me to just get over my miscarriage but I simply cannot. I have been shamed for naming this child after he died. I do not know how to just forget my son just because he was not born into this world.
I agree.I think you did the right thing; he's a person, and a very precious little person at that, and persons have names. God wouldn't want you to forget him, because God never forgets his own children....you're feeling the way God the Father does. He knows exactly how you feel
Well, good night and sleep tight.
I don't have all the facts, so I will speak in general.Yeah, I have also recently joined and frankly I agree 100% with this sentiment: ignorance is probably better when dealing with this.
I came because Stranger sent out that PM and said he would like to get some help here explaining his position. He never went into his position but merely noted that his apologies were not being accepted or something like this... I will cover this more later in the post.
Oh I respect entirely what you are doing here -- it is very great and very awesome, and I definitely hope that there is resolution to these problems.
Stranger seems like he reallyw ants to be forgiven and to be here and I am not sure if he is positive that he has done wrong, but at the same time, we really cannot write him off, I do not think, because that would be disrespectful to him in a large sense.
Perhaps the problem cannot be resolved simply. But at the same time, perhaps it should be treated simply: forgive him.
Christ asked us to forgive others. Forgiving is also what we have to do as our Father forgives us all for our wrong doings. To be forgiven one must forgive.
It is in the Lord's Prayer:
[bible]Luke 11:14[/bible]
We forgive those who sin against us and thus our sins are forgiven.
I ask that we all forgive each other on all accounts of wrong doing, for there is a certain sincerity happening.
I think perhaps you should have a private conversation with him. He seems shaken up about this.
I now have more facts.jmverville~
You'll notice that up to this point I have been silent on the matter, and I believe most who know me know that this is just my way often...to be still and be silent. I don't always speak a LOT, and I would not even dream of speaking for Moriah or Red Fox. But I can speak for myself.
The issues FOR ME are that first there is the continuous riddles and page-long posts about what...we're not sure! The page-long posts are about brothers and sisters and always involve a kiss and brotherly love and kissing are mentioned too many times to feel comfortable. I understand the difference between true brotherly love and something that is uncomfortable and uncouth--and I understand when something is dishonoring to my husband and the relationship I have with him. Yes, my husband and I are "one body" and I don't think stranger was talking about sex, but what he was doing is dancing on a line that I will not mess with and then covering it with riddles and claiming *I* was misreading it.
In fact, this has been the pattern MANY, MANY times (three serious times that I can think of in the last month). Always a FEMALE--he becomes fixated--speaks in riddles involving kissing and sitting together--sends an inappropriate amount of private PMs to the FEMALE--and when we (one of us ladies) says, "Dude back off a bit" he cries victim and claims that WE are the ones misreading it. If it were an isolated instance with one person I would consider the possibility of misunderstanding, but like I said, three times (or more) in one month that I know of personally is a PATTERN.
Furthermore, when a married lady tells you to back off and it's inappropriate, if you've been hassling her in public, on HER thread, then she has the right to ask you to step off in public and even ask you to leave in public. The fact that stranger thinks there should be some protocol is in HIS head--there are not defined and agreed to "rules" about how to approach someone who has stepped over a boundary. Moriah chose to close her thread partially because of his threatening behavior, and rather than be a gentleman and back off for a bit, he went to the other threads that she posts on and tried to FORCE others to MAKE Moriah talk to him via PM. She's a lady and felt uncomfortable and had no obligation to do so--but the attempts to FORCE it just reinforced that talking via PM was probably a bad idea. With me, I chose to address the issues via Matt 18--I spoke to him via PM and told him I had received 20 PMs in one day--all in those riddle poems--and prior to that had only received 7 PMs ever!! Thereafter I got 27 more PMs one day and 36 another!! That is outrageous! But I told him I had saved them all, that if he didn't want to back off that I would take the route open to me by following the model in Matt. 18--and with me he more or less chose to back off. Then he moved on to Red Fox--and maybe two other ladies in this circle: namely 4EverLoved and cherokeehippie. I am not privie to their every detail, but I do know that they did not feel comfortable, they asked him to back off, and he cried victim and went to OTHERS to force communication.
In my opinion, the proper "protocol" is that a gentleman should not be fixating on married or single ladies, should not go on for a whole page about kissing (holy kiss or not), and if the lady says she's uncomfortable and his intentions really were honorable, he'd back off and ask for forgiveness. Here's what's NOT proper "protocol"--refusing to examine himself; blaming others for his bad behavior; crying victim when it is his bad behavior that created this; being inappropriate with ANY lady; being inappropriate with a married lady; refusing to take a time-out at a respectful request; forcing himself on several women in a way that is scary and obsessive; calling us witches, satanists, enemies ETC. merely because we don't have the same vision of "something" that he does in his babblings; trying to persuade others that somehow WE are the ones bringing evil to a place that was once a refuge of peace and loving acceptance.
These are the Facts, and I hate to come across as angry but in this instance I believe I am angered with a righteous anger for the mistreatment that I've seen at least three ladies suffer at the hand of a man who is now crying crocodile tears.
Circle, once again I will return to my careful silence, but know this--I am here every day. I love the peace we once had here and if it is God's will may that return SOON! I personally believe that one step in seeking forgiveness would be for the party to admit the wrong and ask for it. Also I personally believe that a party can be forgiven but that does not negate the consequences of the issue--and in this instance, for me and I think for many of the ladies who have been so attacked, the consequence is that I can not be associated with him. Would I forgive him if he were to examine himself and admit his part in this? You betcha!
~Faithful
That's wonderful to heere PTL.Their names must sound especially cool when you say them in Cherokee!
Very nice picture of your family. I love when we can see each other. I have to try and put up a picture here. I do have some on my myspace
http://www.myspace.com/amylisa3 if you want to check it out sometime!
Don't worry about us newbies to your circle. This is a public forum and things happen.
Yes Ivy there are some very nice people here!
I am very happy to report that my little Mario is doing better today. Still coughing but much better. Thank God! No hospital trip!
I must go food shopping in a few minutes. There's not much in the house to eat and we have a big snowstorm coming today.
The peace of Yeshua to you all!
Hey people. Just checking in with everyone.
My gift to the circle today:
"The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, The leopard shall lie down with the young goat,
The calf and the young lion and the fatling together; And a little child shall lead them."
Isaiah 11:6
May peace be with us today.
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