Reconciled Unto God, NOT Predestinated

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Were born with Adam’s sinful nature.

Quite true. David, the man after God's own heart, confessed in Psalm 51 that he was conceived in iniquity.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Quite true. David, the man after God's own heart, confessed in Psalm 51 that he was conceived in iniquity.

“Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, And in sin my mother conceived me.”
‭‭Psalms‬ ‭51‬:‭5‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

This is referring to his mother not David. David had not yet sinned while he was at a cellular level.

 

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“Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, And in sin my mother conceived me.”
‭‭Psalms‬ ‭51‬:‭5‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

This is referring to his mother not David. David had not yet sinned while he was at a cellular level.

Are you saying that David was confessing that he was a SOB?

 

[BNR32FAN]

Are you saying that David was confessing that he was a SOB?

I doubt he would put it that way.

 

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I doubt he would put it that way.

That seems, however, the meaning you have given to it. Would you care to elaborate on David's mother's iniquity by her act of conception?

 

[Hammster]

nope

Are you sure?

“God foresaw those who would repent and abide in Christ to the end and wrote their names in the book of life before creation.”

God saw something that happened, and then acted.

 

[Hammster]

Were born with Adam’s sinful nature.

Right.

 

[BNR32FAN]

That seems, however, the meaning you have given to it. Would you care to elaborate on David's mother's iniquity by her act of conception?

No because it’s not explained in the scriptures.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Are you sure?

“God foresaw those who would repent and abide in Christ to the end and wrote their names in the book of life before creation.”

God saw something that happened, and then acted.

Your picturing God sitting down and thinking about it then writing the names in the book of life instead of Him just writing the names in as if He already knew their outcome.

 

[Hammster]

Your picturing God sitting down and thinking about it then writing the names in the book of life instead of Him just writing the names in as if He already knew their outcome.

That’s what your view is. He has to “see” it to do it. On top of that, He’s predestining something that going to happen anyway.

 

[BNR32FAN]

That’s what your view is. He has to “see” it to do it. On top of that, He’s predestining something that going to happen anyway.

That’s not my view at all your just pretending it is. That might be true for humans but not an omniscient omnipresent God. Chosen according to His foreknowledge.

 

[Hammster]

That’s not my view at all your just pretending it is. That might be true for humans but not an omniscient omnipresent God. Chosen according to His foreknowledge.

For you, though, foreknowledge is what He will learn.

 

[BNR32FAN]

For you, though, foreknowledge is what He will learn.

Again with the false accusations. Isn’t that against the forum rules? Aren’t you a staff member?

 

[Bobber]

The root of the problem is that in order for predestination to be just we must be capable of meeting God’s expectations.

Strange thing is too if you take Calvinists out of their religious paradigm thing, they'd all agree that's rational and just what you're saying. They'd never be able to comprehend a just system working any other way.

 

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No because it’s not explained in the scriptures.

Bingo! It is just as evident as the Four Catholic Marian dogmas are.

To provide some context, Psalm 51 is David's great penitential prayer following his murder of Uriah and adultery with Bathsheba. In it David thoroughly confesses his sin - not anybody else's sin, so it is completely out of context for David to accuse his mother of gross wickedness. David is clearly stating that he was a sinner through and through, even from the moment he was conceived (which is also a clear statement that human life begins at conception, not at birth).

 

[Hammster]

Again with the false accusations. Isn’t that against the forum rules? Aren’t you a staff member?

It’s not a false accusation. It’s the logical conclusion of your posts.

 

[Hammster]

Strange thing is too if you take Calvinists out of their religious paradigm thing, they'd all agree that's rational and just what you're saying. They'd never be able to comprehend a just system working any other way.

Would God be just if everyone was condemned to hell?

 

[BNR32FAN]

It’s not a false accusation. It’s the logical conclusion of your posts.

No, not at all. That’s your perception of foreknowledge not mine. Your thinking of it as if He had to stop and concentrate to use His super powers to look into the future like Professor Xavier or something to see what will happen when in all actuality He always knew what would happen from the very beginning.

 

[Hammster]

No, not at all. That’s your perception of foreknowledge not mine. Your thinking of it as if He had to stop and concentrate to use His super powers to look into the future like Professor Xavier or something to see what will happen when in all actuality He always knew what would happen from the very beginning.

Not at all. Foreknowledge means He knew us beforehand. It doesn’t mean He knows what will happen. That’s omniscience.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Not at all. Foreknowledge means He knew us beforehand. It doesn’t mean He knows what will happen. That’s omniscience.

You need to look at the definition of the word “prognosis”. I know you know what gnosis means. What does omnipresence mean? It means even future events He’s already been there, done that. God exists in all time simultaneously. Omniscience means He’s all knowing and can’t learn anything. He already knew everything from the very beginning, He doesn’t have to stop & think about it.