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Rae said:Sure. I'd be willing to lie and say I wasn't a Pagan any more to keep my life. Of course, if I thought I'd die no matter what I said, I'd probably stick with the truth. But if the Christian Reconstructionists ever took over in my area, you bet I'd lie and say I was a Christian. My daughter is better off with her mother alive.
Unless someone can prove to me there is a heaven I am inclined to make this life the best it can be without the luxury of slacking off and hoping for something better at a later date.jesusfreak3786 said:That is a carnal veiw. Can you see the main diffrence between the posts of the christians and the non-chriatians? One regards thier life in Heaven more than thier life in earth, the other regards thier life on earth more than a possable life in Heaven.
joebudda said:Unless someone can prove to me there is a heaven I am inclined to make this life the best it can be without the luxury of slacking off and hoping for something better at a later date.
Until then heaven and hell are only concepts of comfort for the believer. This way the believer can believe the people who the believer deems as good and bad will go to the perspective justice the believer feels they deserve.
The difference is that most Pagans do not believe they will be damned if they recant. Actually, most don't believe in damnation at all.jesusfreak3786 said:That is a carnal veiw. Can you see the main diffrence between the posts of the christians and the non-chriatians? One regards thier life in Heaven more than thier life in earth, the other regards thier life on earth more than a possable life in Heaven.
Lokisdottir said:The difference is that most Pagans do not believe they will be damned if they recant. Actually, most don't believe in damnation at all.
Personally, I wouldn't recant, but I wouldn't hold it against anyone who did.
But it IS true that most Pagan gods are not going to throw a hissy fit if their followers recant under threat of torture or death.jesusfreak3786 said:Just because someone doesn't believe in something doesn't mean that it isn't true.
Randall McNally said:Could a person even recant his faith on command?
Lokisdottir said:But it IS true that most Pagan gods are not going to throw a hissy fit if their followers recant under threat of torture or death.
I'd imagine Odin would be ticked off, but still no punishment involved as far as I know.
Rae said:Sure. I'd be willing to lie and say I wasn't a Pagan any more to keep my life. Of course, if I thought I'd die no matter what I said, I'd probably stick with the truth. But if the Christian Reconstructionists ever took over in my area, you bet I'd lie and say I was a Christian. My daughter is better off with her mother alive.
Under NO circumstances? Do you really believe you could do that? It sounds pretty selfish if you ask me. What if:jesusfreak3786 said:I don't agree with that, under no circumstances should a christian recant.
wowbagger said:Under NO circumstances? Do you really believe you could do that? It sounds pretty selfish if you ask me. What if:
You are commanded to recant or your 3 young daughters will be violently raped and tortured in front of you until you do. Maybe for weeks (until they are certain to die from trauma and exhaustion). Imagine their deperate pleas for help looking at you to save them from their pain and agony.
What do you do?
If you really think you would not recant, I don't think you are human. In fact, I think you would spend some time in jail for such a thing.
In your opinion, yes. In mine, no.It is the truth
Hey, at least my Gods don't demand that I kill myself and sacrifice my family's lives by declaring loyalty to them in the face of insanity. That's gotta be worth something.This topic is irrelivant to you as you have no loyalty to any but you and yours.
Rae said:In your opinion, yes. In mine, no.
Hey, at least my Gods don't demand that I kill myself and sacrifice my family's lives by declaring loyalty to them in the face of insanity. That's gotta be worth something.Besides, outward words aren't a sign of loyalty. Those who shout loudest about their love frequently are the ones who leave those they claim to "love" fastest.
Everything you've said in this thread seems to say so, though. You say you'd refuse to deny being a Christian even if your whole family were murdered for it, and someone else has posted Scripture indicating that this is what your God demands. Personally, I believe that making a false statement under duress to save lives isn't evil or bad or wrong, and I would gladly do so even if it meant giving a false impression of my religious beliefs.God does not demand such a thing
wowbagger said:Under NO circumstances? Do you really believe you could do that? It sounds pretty selfish if you ask me. What if:
You are commanded to recant or your 3 young daughters will be violently raped and tortured in front of you until you do. Maybe for weeks (until they are certain to die from trauma and exhaustion). Imagine their desperate pleas for help looking at you to save them from unimaginable pain and agony.
What do you do?
If you really think you would not recant, I don't think you are human. In fact, I think you would spend some time in jail for such a thing.
Rae said:In your opinion, yes. In mine, no.
Hey, at least my Gods don't demand that I kill myself and sacrifice my family's lives by declaring loyalty to them in the face of insanity. That's gotta be worth something.Besides, outward words aren't a sign of loyalty. Those who shout loudest about their love frequently are the ones who leave those they claim to "love" fastest.
Rae said:Everything you've said in this thread seems to say so, though. You say you'd refuse to deny being a Christian even if your whole family were murdered for it, and someone else has posted Scripture indicating that this is what your God demands. Personally, I believe that making a false statement under duress to save lives isn't evil or bad or wrong, and I would gladly do so even if it meant giving a false impression of my religious beliefs.
Rae said:Everything you've said in this thread seems to say so, though. You say you'd refuse to deny being a Christian even if your whole family were murdered for it, and someone else has posted Scripture indicating that this is what your God demands. Personally, I believe that making a false statement under duress to save lives isn't evil or bad or wrong, and I would gladly do so even if it meant giving a false impression of my religious beliefs.
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