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Rebuking spirits--the Charismatic Cure-all

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Catherineanne

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Trying to cast out demons who aren't there, is no more harmful IMO than praying for the sick and not seeing them healed. We do these things because we are not perfect yet and don't know everything there is to know about the situation. But how much harm can it be to try, and see if asking, commanding, or rebuking is the solution to our problems?

It is a problem because the focus is wrong. When in prayer, our focus must always be on God, and on seeking his will. If we focus instead on demons, or any aspect of demonology, then we are not looking at God, and our prayers are not reaching him. Any prayer addressing demons is in very great danger of being satanic, and of adding power to evil, rather than the opposite.

All Christian prayer must be addressed to God; Father, Son and Holy Spirit. It is for him to rebuke and cast out, not us.
 
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It is a problem because the focus is wrong. When in prayer, our focus must always be on God, and on seeking his will.

Ok. I can agree with that! :cool:


If we focus instead on demons, or any aspect of demonology, then we are not looking at God, and our prayers are not reaching him. Any prayer addressing demons is in very great danger of being satanic, and of adding power to evil, rather than the opposite.

Knowing what Satan is doing and being able to perceive what the demons are up to, does create it's own set of problems. The right way to handle it is to look to God and ask Him before taking any action against them. The wrong thing is to assume we have a directive to oppose everything they do, and venture off into battles without checking in with God first.

All Christian prayer must be addressed to God; Father, Son and Holy Spirit. It is for him to rebuke and cast out, not us.

Well, I know Jesus addressed the demons directly. And He talked with Satan during His wilderness temptation, rebuking him and commanding him to leave in the end. I think Paul addressed the demons directly too with the demon possessed servant girl that followed him around. I don't think it's unscriptural to talk directly to them. :) I wouldn't call it "prayer" though. ;)
 
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Hi Elijah:wave:

Please dont take this remark the wrong way. When you spoke before about your hospital experience. Was that a spirit? if so, why didnt you drive it out and save weeks in hospital? If not, how do you know it wasnt a spirit?

God Bless

Lismore:)

Hi mate, are you talking about something I shared sometime back of an experience I had in hospital many years ago. And if that is so, then my tour of hospital was for many months as I had major surgery to remove a tumour.

Blessings.
 
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Trying to cast out demons who aren't there, is no more harmful IMO than praying for the sick and not seeing them healed. We do these things because we are not perfect yet and don't know everything there is to know about the situation. But how much harm can it be to try, and see if asking, commanding, or rebuking is the solution to our problems?

The real problems arise when we are trapped into circular patterns by our theology. When we are taught to believe that our problems are all caused by demons (when they aren't), and that it is our lack of faith or holiness that keeps us oppressed. Or when we are sick and God is using the situation to refine us, but we cannot accept that because we think that He wishes everybody to be healed all of the time. So we turn our attention inward, and consider ourselves to be failures and unworthy of the graces of God.

Generally a person who prays for the sick/oppressed and doesn't see them instantly healed, will look for other means to resolve the problem. People for centuries have found the need to walk the Christian life, and thereby see the deliverance from the bondages of the World. Resist the Devil, and he will flee from you. Sometimes this takes longer than others. And if God doesn't choose to miraculously heal you, perhaps His plan is to lead you to the right doctors, through whom He plans on solving the problem? Or letting you be a light to others who also suffer in the same way, knowing that this life is but a flash, and that spiritual health and wellbeing is a much greater prize than physical wholeness???

The opposite is true though as well. I have seen more traditional Christians struggle with sin for years and years, never considering the possibility that there may be demons involved that could be rebuked and quickly cast aside. I imagine the same goes for Healing. Sometimes we struggle needlessly, when all we have to do is come to God and ask for wisdom.

That right there is the key. Seek, and you shall find. If we come to Him, He will show us which of life's trials have an easy fix, and which ones we must learn how to die to ourselves through.


One day I was working in my front garden. My neighbour on the other side of the road had many spiritual problems, and was always calling out for help. No sooner you cleansed his home, it would get worse again. The lack of spiritual headship in his house was much to be desired. His two children were always sick, and spent more time at home than at school.

Anyway, because of all the incidences in his home, his pride, etc., etc., he avoided me often. It was no skin off my nose, but lack of maturity on his part.

Anyway, this day, I was working away in the garden, and he came across the road with his daughter, 10 year-old. I was surprised by his action, and he made small talk. His daughter had this oppressed look on her face. He stood there with her making no sense. He said, that he didn’t even know why he has come over to see me.

I asked him if his daughter was sick, and he said: “Yes!” I don’t know why I did it, but I wet my thumb and made the sign of the cross on her forehead, and she convulsed and this great blob of mucus came up out of her mouth, and it wasn’t vomit, and her countenance changed immediately from her oppressed look to a look of freedom. She was released from a demon, and it was rebuked by my action. They both walked back home, and that was the last I saw of him.

When that happened her father looked at me as if he was in a trance. I believe that our Lord Jesus Christ sent him across the road for his daughters healing. But, he never confirmed it.

Just another small story of the healing and deliverance ministry!

Blessings.:)
 
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Rebuking spirits (including those that are not there) is a lot easier than actually getting your knees and hands dirty dealing with hang-ups, addictions, personal problems, and nasty personal issues—you know, actually bearing one another’s’ burdens—which often takes time and work. It is a lot easier to utter a few magical words like, “Satan we rebuke thee in the name of Jaysus” (KJ English seems to work better) or “Devil, loose her and let her go.” Then we can go on our merry way and feel like we’ve complete a job well done.

I know this sounds sarcastic, but it’s the way I have observed it through the years. Unfortunately, complex problems do not always have such easy solutions.

~Jim

Faith means trusting in advance what will only make sense in reverse.



Basically true Jim, as there is no "quick fix" to demonisation.

It's the time that we spend transforming and renewing our brain and our heart. And as we heal and cleanse our hands, and purify our hearts, then we are set free from captivity.

Blessings.
 
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