Reasons why abortion is unchristian.

[JCBeliever]

Peace everyone,

I believe that Jesus came to this world to save lives. He layed down His life so that the future generations of people will have opprotunity to be saved.
I believe supporting abortion is the exact opposite of how a Christian should be.
We are here to be like Christ and work to protect and save life, not support the destruction of human life.

Whether we are talking about an embryo or a fetus, that is no more or less a human being than any one of us. Where is this wrong? So to say a woman has the control to have destroyed or let live her child should not even be an issue for a good Christian. We would immediately realize that human life is sacred regardless to the stage of development. We should not even support a woman's choice because there is no choice because there is set right (let human life continue) and a set wrong (let innocent human life be destroyed).
Supporting one person murdering another person is never acceptable accept if one is defending themselve.

This is what I believe as a Christian. Does anyone agree with me? Does anyone disagree with me? If you disagree with me I kindly ask you to explain to me how someone can be a good Christian yet support abortion and woman's choice.

 

[Gallego]

If you disagree with me I kindly ask you to explain to me how someone can be a good Christian yet support abortion and woman's choice.

It's simple.

Just thinking that a feto is not a human being

 

[JCBeliever]

It's simple.

Just thinking that a feto is not a human being

You and I were once fetuses, we we not human beings? A human is a human regardless of stage of development. As a fetuses we had our own brains, heart, organs, DNA, etc.

 

[SolomonVII]

Fetuses do not have the legalstatus of human beings. That does not make them any less human.

The argument that a fetus is a woman's body is refuted by every pregnant woman who excitedly has her husband or fiends touch her belly to feel the baby kicking. Intuitively, we know that what is happening cannot really be adequately described as being a mere conglomerate of cells and tissue.

On the other hand, twenty years of trying of trying to change laws have only hardened people's stances and hearts on the issue. Perhaps rather than focusing on man's law written into our legistlature's, it would save more lives to focus on God's law, as it has been written into the hearts of all of us.

 

[sheep1982]

Don’t abort me because – It’s legal.
Don’t abort me because - I'm a mistake.
Don’t abort me because - My father raped you.
Don’t abort me because - I have genetic defects.
Don’t abort me because - Your too young to have me.
Don’t abort me because - I will just be adopted.
Don’t abort me because - I'm inconvenient.
Don’t abort me because - You can.



Don’t abort me because - I want to live.

 

[MattMMMan17]

I agree with you. Here's a xanga entry I made a while ago with my elaborations on the topic. . . .

Thursday, February 19, 2004


I once was a fetus. Who will deny this—surely a fetus was what I once was? But now if the right-to-life (understood as the right not to be deprived of life by human decision unless one has deserved such deprivation through a crime that one has been duly convicted of) is an essential property of me, part of what makes me who I am, then since I was a fetus, that fetus was I, and hence it also possessed the right-to-life, as the right to life is an essential property. Alternately, as is reasonable, being a person is an essential property of me. I could not be myself without being a person. Whatever is not a person is also not identical with me. But I was once a fetus. Hence, that fetus was a person, because I was that fetus and being a person is an essential property of me. But it is a conceptual truth that all persons have a right-to-life. Hence, so does the fetus.

At one point of my life. I was nothing more than a cell. A single cell. Microscopic. Would you have stripped me of my right to life? Would you have prevented me from living the first 9 months of my life in my mother's womb? Would you justify doing so merely by noting that I was composed of a single cell? That was me. I'm all grown up. No person has a right to end the life of another unless it is for the protection of others and no other means of detainment are possible.

Let us imagine a situation involving two people, Dick and Jane. Long story short, Dick rapes Jane against her will. Her right to choose was brutally ripped away from her by Dick though his actions. The end result? Emotional trauma for Jane most likely, and me. There I am, in Jane's womb. Through no decision of my own, mind you, but through the brutal act of rape which was in essence the denial of another person's(Jane's) right to choose to engage in sexual activity. That is lost. She can never regain it(For that instance). Now I exist. She becomes aware of my presence in her. She did not want me, she does not want me. I am an inconvenience, and it is NOT her fault that I am there. But I live nonetheless.

We are taught from a VERY young age to turn the other cheek. You will recall the maxim "Two wrongs don't make a right." See how that can apply to this situation. A wrong has been committed against Jane. I am the result. Jane's solution is either to A. allow me to live, recognizing my right to it, or B. wrong me, in a way infinitely more sinful than Dick wronged her. I would be no more. I would never take a breath, might never even develop lungs. I would never see the world outside of Jane's womb. My mortal existence, gone. Not at the command of God, who should be the final arbiter in determining when we are through in this world, but at the request of Jane, whose "problem" can only be solved by ridding herself of me.

What if zygotes possessed cognition? What if they possessed the inherent knowledge that at ANY moment their life could be taken away from them by the very people whose parents DID allow them to live out their life. The terror that would incite within us would be nearly unbearable. Scary thought.

*I can't finish this without touching on the spiritual aspect of this. If you're not interested, skip over it. Otherwise, don't worry it'll be short.*

So Jane bears her cross. She can either take it up, as Jesus has commanded us, or throw it at His feet in a loud refusal of "It's too heavy!" Jane has been forced to bear the sin of another. One man, Dick. It is his sin that she must bear. Wow, when you think about the nature of what sin truly is, DEEP and grievous offense against God Himself, that is a HUGE cross. And just think, Jesus bore a cross greater than any that he would give us. He bore the sins of ALL humanity, he sweat BLOOD for our sins, was scourged, humiliated, beaten repeatedly, spit on, tortured, scoffed at, and all at the hands of that which He himself created. Such suffering he endured for the sins of all of us. We are called to follow in His footsteps, and specifically for Jane, to bear the sin of Dick, just as Jesus bore her sin, and Dick's, along with all of us.

It's a hard thing to do. But the path we are called to walk is a narrow one. But the rewards, infinitely greater in magnitude than the hardships we must endure by keeping on that road.

 

[JCBeliever]

Great posts, guys. Very excellent post, MattMMMan17.

 

[Gallego]

You and I were once fetuses, we we not human beings? A human is a human regardless of stage of development. As a fetuses we had our own brains, heart, organs, DNA, etc.

This is not completely true.

Even if we are now human beings, that doesn't imply that fetuses were human beings; a seed is not a tree.

The fetuses have always the DNA, but the different organs apper at different stages.

 

[Cassandra]

I am a pro-lifer personally, but I think the choice to have an abortion should be avaible to women in certain cases (the fetus dies in the womb, ectopic tubal pregancy, etc...)

Do christians agree or disagree with me on this?

 

[Jet Black]

Don’t abort me because - I have genetic defects.

Don’t abort me because - I want to live.

yes I am sure that manneqin babies have a fun time and "want to live". I think the genetic defects argument is a rather selfish one. given that those who think that all babies should be carried to term alst often think that aborted fetuses go to heaven, it seems to me that limiting this suffering is a good thing.

 

[Arikay]

Instead, let the pregnacy kill us both, because your body IS too young to have me.

hmm, odd thinking there.

Don’t abort me because - Your too young to have me.

 

[TScott]

Reasons why abortion is unchristian.

My question is this: If abortion is against the Christian faith why is there no mention of abortion specifically in the Bible? Abortion was definitly an issue when the Bible was colated in the 4th century, there was popular scripture available that did specifically condemn abortion. The question is, then why is abortion not specifically condemned in the Christian Bible if it is indeed "un-Christian"?

 

[SolomonVII]

I am a pro-lifer personally, but I think the choice to have an abortion should be avaible to women in certain cases (the fetus dies in the womb, ectopic tubal pregancy, etc...)

Do christians agree or disagree with me on this?

They would universally agree in these cases.

 

[SolomonVII]

Instead, let the pregnacy kill us both, because your body IS too young to have me.

hmm, odd thinking there.

You chaged the quote to better fit your own interpretation. a post-pubescent body is not too young to bear a child-it happens all the time and even moreso before the common era.
However before the modern era, and the necessity for schooling up into your twenties and thirties, this was not a problem as people statted to support themselves wit a job at 13 or 14.
It is not a question of physical capability or dying; it is the social youngness that is the main issue.

 

[sheep1982]

yes I am sure that manneqin babies have a fun time and "want to live". I think the genetic defects argument is a rather selfish one. given that those who think that all babies should be carried to term alst often think that aborted fetuses go to heaven, it seems to me that limiting this suffering is a good thing.

Just don't abort me - Let me decide.

 

[Intrepid99]

Don’t abort me because – It’s legal.
Don’t abort me because - I'm a mistake.
Don’t abort me because - My father raped you.
Don’t abort me because - I have genetic defects.
Don’t abort me because - Your too young to have me.
Don’t abort me because - I will just be adopted.
Don’t abort me because - I'm inconvenient.
Don’t abort me because - You can.



Don’t abort me because - I want to live.

Awesome. I completely agree with you.

 

[Intrepid99]

My question is this: If abortion is against the Christian faith why is there no mention of abortion specifically in the Bible? Abortion was definitly an issue when the Bible was colated in the 4th century, there was popular scripture available that did specifically condemn abortion. The question is, then why is abortion not specifically condemned in the Christian Bible if it is indeed "un-Christian"?

It wasnt an issue in the 4th century. Each one probably had around 20 children Therefore, one more wouldnt be a burden to them. They had absolutely no reason to get an abortion.

 

[ReUsAbLePhEoNiX]

Numbers 31:17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones.
Deuteronomy 2:34 utterly destroyed the men and the women and the little ones.
Deuteronomy 28:53 And thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters.
I Samuel 15:3 slay both man and woman, infant and suckling.
2 Kings 8:12 dash their children, and rip up their women with child.
2 Kings 15:16 all the women therein that were with child he ripped up.
Isaiah 13:16 Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled and their wives ravished.
Isaiah 13:18 They shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eyes shall not spare children.
Lamentations 2:20 Shall the women eat their fruit, and children.
Ezekiel 9:6 Slay utterly old and young, both maids and little children.
Hosea 9:14 give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts.
Hosea 13:16 their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.





I dont understand how abortion can be unbiblical,
Of all the 600 Laws in the Old Test...none mentions abortion.
If it was a big deal to God..why does he not mention it?
Yet we have strict Laws about other things seemingly less important

 

[jayem]

An absolutely true story, with which I was personally involved:

About 6 weeks into her pregnancy a young woman feels unsually tired, and has more than the expected abdominal discomfort. She's found to be very anemic and has some enlarged lymph nodes. She's diagnosed with Hodgkin's disease. This is very treatable with radiation and chemotherapy, and can have a good prognosis. But how will radiation and chemo affect an early pregnancy? If it doesn't actually cause an abortion, there is a significant chance of fetal damage. Or it may increase the chance of complications like infection, or major hemorhage. She could chose to forgo treatment for several months until the fetus is viable enough to be delivered early. But delaying treatment might reduce her chance for successful remission. Very qualified oncologists, who are experienced in treating cancer in pregnancy can only give probabilities and educated guesses--there is no simple black and white answer. Perhaps she could wait to be treated after delivery, and still go into remission. But would anyone fault a decision to terminate the pregnancy and get early treatment? And in any event, isn't this a decision for her, and her family, and her doctors? And if we ever do criminalize abortion, how are exceptions going to made for these hard cases? I suppose there may need to be a hearing, with lawyers, and a judge who will have to grant permission. Is no one concerned about involving the government/judiciary in what should be a very personal and private medical matter?

 

[Arikay]

1) I did not change the quote. Maybe you didn't explain it well enough.
2) There are plenty of children who get pregnant that could die if the have the child.
3) You completly dodged my point.

You chaged the quote to better fit your own interpretation. a post-pubescent body is not too young to bear a child-it happens all the time and even moreso before the common era.
However before the modern era, and the necessity for schooling up into your twenties and thirties, this was not a problem as people statted to support themselves wit a job at 13 or 14.
It is not a question of physical capability or dying; it is the social youngness that is the main issue.