Originally posted by I can eat 50 eggs
Wow, intersting, I will have to think about it.
Susan, you sure you're not Catholic?
100% sure. I was raised Baptist, and I'm currently nondenominational.
Originally posted by I can eat 50 eggs
well, I don't know if I buy that. I mean, look at the Song of Solomon, it's pretty obvious that they were doing SOMETHING for more than just procreation.
I never said pleasure was wrong, I just said that it was
secondary and not to be from perversion.
And who says that the SoS is not either completely allegorical? If it is literal, could it not be depicting the conception of Rehoboam?
Originally posted by I can eat 50 eggs
uhmm, maybe I'm just naive, but isn't octopi the plural for octopus? yeah, I would say if you bring an octopus (much less multiple ones) into the bedroom, you have some sever problems.
I answered this earlier. To elaborate a bit, maybe we have more crazies (or simply different KINDS of crazies) in the otaku subculture than in general American society. Nevertheless there was actually one individual at a board I go to who thought this and more was a fine idea.
If you want to see for yourself, PM me and I will get that link to you. I always try to document my sources.
Needles to say, this man is a complete hen, and he does NOT represent many men in the subculture.
Originally posted by I can eat 50 eggs
Hmm, I would say that the pleasure is supposed to bring husband and wife together, and strengthen there bond. I believe that the intimacy is just as important as procreation. If you understand the symolism in SOS , it's pretty graphic what they are talking about, and a lot of it has nothing to do with procreation.
Such intimacy is not precluded by the procreation-only worldview, it is simply sanctified and limited.
Also, as has been pointed out before, the SoS is open to interpretation. Some believe it to be completely allegorical and spiritual rather than literal, some literalists believe that not all references refer to actual sex, and even if all did, like I said, the SoS could be referring to the conception of Rehoboam or it could be a general reference to the traditional Jewish weddding night.
Originally posted by I can eat 50 eggs
I think the intimacy that it brings seperates us from animals. Very few animals have sex just for the pleasure and the bonding that it brings.. If we only do it for procreation, THEN we are being like the animals.
LOL! I own 6 cats, 2 of them females in heat and 1 who has had 2 litters of kittens, so I can tell you this hypothesis is somewhat invalid. Female cats in heat will try to make "advances" to even inanimate objects. My cats may be strange, but one will even engage in a mating-like behavior with the other female cat
. Cats also seem to derive enjoyment and they also repeatedly mate (as evidenced by the first litter of 6 from the mama that contained 2 tabbies, 2 calicos, and a Siamese) which would be unnecessary to simply propagate the cat species.
I mentioned this to state that your theory here is flawed. Animals DO engage in sexual activity for pleasure, although not pleasure as humans would normally define it.
Originally posted by I can eat 50 eggs
That's true, you can't build a LASTING marriage on sex. But, who's to say you can't have a marriage based on trust and caring, and still have a great sex life?
That may be the case, but sadly too often is not. As evidenced by the letters to any advice column, website, whatever, many times marriages simply do not last beyond illness, injury, or even old age and less appeal/interest from one side. Our culture is devoted to sexuality in marriage rather than fidelity and loyalty, and we have reaped the whirlwind.
(As a test, have you EVER seen a magazine article outside of a Christian magazine focusing on a nonsexual aspect of love or marriage? If you have, how many times have you seen that type of article on the front of a grocery-aisle magazine, compared to the times you have seen those with article titles too graphic for this MB?)
Originally posted by I can eat 50 eggs Gosh, I don't know where to begin here. Well, first off, I have to disagree. WHat about praying? can you pray to much and get bored with it, so it loses it's meaning? Bible study? God gifted us with our sexuality, it's a blessing from him, so, can you have to many blessings? As far as getting bored, not if it's done right!
Like I said, variations on prayer by Christians are good for the most part. When we get bored with prayer, we DO NOT vary it by praying to Satan or by chanting mantras. Instead we read about prayer, we search for reasons why we do not want to pray, we pray that God will bless and hear our prayers, and we sometimes at worst pray less until we feel like praying more again. We do not take our advice on prayer from the world or from perverse ideas of prayer.
Bible study is the same way: if you are bored, you read a differnt place or you read a little less for a while. You don't forget the Bible and read the Qu'ran or the Satanic Bible as a variation.
However sex is not like either of those. While prayer and Bible reading provide few if little opportunities for carnal pleasures, sex provides exactly such an opening for evil, and when someone gets bored, he or she is not so likely there to look for something that is not-sinful/worldly or to simply abstain for a while until the boredom goes away.
Rather the person is more likely to seek the advice of other more "experienced" people, who in turn have learned from the ways of the world, or to directly seek the world's advice on "excitement" and "novelty."
Originally posted by I can eat 50 eggs
wow, your right, THAT type of variation is NOT good. HOwever, there are TONS of much more, uhmm, MINOR ways of spicing things up (no one else involved, etc etc) that can keep things interesting for a devoted couple. I don't really see much wrong with those.
The point is, are you devoting your sexuality to God, or are you just using your body and your spouse's body for carnal pleasure? And secondly, if you are using anything outside yourselves for "spicing things up," as you put it, then you are sinning.
Originally posted by I can eat 50 eggs
yes, but you see, this should never happen in a healthy Christian relationship anyway, regardless. It's pretty clear that our bodies aren't our own, so this shouldn't be an issue.
It shouldn't be an issue, it too often IS.
EDIT to remove wink that was unintentionally placed here
