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I would think that would be enough insults. Two "men" came on here, insulting and insulting others. One now claims he has the moral high ground because someone in his family was a navy seal, one of my kinds of people. One of the types of people I hand with, and still he insults, and insults.
Resorting to insults in a combat tactic with the enemy. Some of us, have had training against that. I have been trained against that.
Having a person who you know, who has high heroism, should make the son, act more heroic.
Jesus when he was asked by the lawless within the religion of the time, told the truth, He did not insult. He did not.
The fact that two men here, would like to be experts, and have failed miserably on it, does not seem to deter them. Instead just like the people, I fight, and one of these guy's dad's fought, they continue on, just like the enemy, does.
Expert:
"One who knows everything there is to know about a subject and which of it is false"
Salesman:
"One who only talks about what is right with himself and what he is selling"

Sign of a perfect man:
"Admits when he is wrong"
Two people here, are using Jehovah's Witness type of tactics. They are using Jehovah's Witness types of translations. And like The Jehovah's Witnesses, they are defending those with deceptive and shallow and foolish words. Those two people have been shown, that a man from Princeton, working in Theology, a university, reviewed Rotherham, and found it so dangerous in it's errrors of traslating, THE MEANING, that he had to say, it was worthless.
Two people here, even disagree with the man at Princeton University. They have that right. So did the local man here, living below a volcano. He is still there, 70 feet below the ash. That was Mount Saint Helens. I live in Oregon. You may do as you wish. You may. You may think as you wish. You may.
And, all of us remember, just exactly where did God say, each must know what everyone else knows?????????????????
I am pretty sure God cares about a person being right and just, but not about extreme accuracy. It is okay if these guys are wrong. It is okay.
LOVE and love,
...Katerina.,

I have pretty much come to ignore your incoherent ramblings.

But, just so you can REST ASSURED: I am NOT a JW. Never have, never WILL.

I bow to NO 'man made' denomination. I worship NO 'man made church'. But I can see that you seem to have some sort of problem with the JWs. For you use the word and your insinuated accusation like it is some sort of WEAPON. Do you HATE JWs? Is it YOUR opinion that they are a 'cult' and therefore to be despised by YOUR 'church'? Do you see YOURSELF as being BETTER than the JWs?

just wondering.

Blessings,

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First, I OPENED the thread. I had NO intention of anyone insulting ANYONE. And neither Duck NOR I 'started' the insults. ALL we did from the beginning was attack a DOCTRINE, not those that profess to follow it.

But since then we have been falsely accused of being THE SAME PERSON. Jehovah's Witnesses. Homosexual, my parents have been brought into the conversation, NOT BY ME. The list is quite lengthy.

And about the ONLY thing I have offered that may have caused grief was: 'babe in Christ' and 'spirit of Eve'.

I have YET to make comments about anyone else's parents. Their sexuality, (other than to mention that in MY opinion, transgender is not merely a CHOICE, but a perverted choice according to scripture). But I didn't QUESTION the individuals sexuality, the individual openly confessed it. And since one particular individual seems to find anything offered from scripture pertaining to the PLACE of women IN the 'church' offensive, I did ask about the possibility of them being a 'man hater'. But hey, I can only perceive what I am capable of according to the words that one offers.

So, insults? Oh my. ALL I have tried to DO is defend myself from the insults of others. I have tried REPEATEDLY to turn the subject BACK to 'trinity' instead of letting it get out of hand so far as ME being the subject of insults and false accusations.

I ASKED a few questions. If someone MISINTERPRETED the REASON for the questions, I don't have the ability to STOP such misinterpretation. I asked because I was SINCERELY concerned. I still am. But my concern doesn't mean I should have to PRETEND.

Blessings,

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Does your Mom know about this spirit of Adam in you? Or is she one of those weak willed little ladies who bow to any man just cuz he's a man?
Did your Dad beat her, or don't you know?

Since I have NO idea what you mean by 'spirit of Adam', I really have no way to answer your question. But I will offer this:

My mother is DEAD. Died when she was fifty and that was almost thirty years ago. But I appreciate you trying to bring my MOTHER into this. Once again, I APPRECIATE your candor. For the MORE you speak, the MORE you prove EXACTLY who you are.

My Father is DEAD as well. He spent 25 years of his life serving this country and vowing to protect the freedom that you seem to revel in. He was a Warrant Officer in the US Navy when he retired. Then worked for the State of Virginia for another twenty years. A 'double dipper' as some seem to find solace in labeling those willing to WORK and COMPLETE two careers.

But I will answer your nastiness in this manner: My mother was the kind of woman that would have SHOWN you exactly what kind of woman she was had you asked HER such questions. Fortunately most of her attitude that she instilled in me as a child has dissipated over the years. But I appreciate you asking.

I will offer you this, you certainly are a spiteful and scornful woman. I'll give you that. When trying to attack my character didn't work, you resort to attacking the character of my PARENTS? Shame on you. You are indeed a poor wretched woman according to ANYONE'S standards. And I am praying for you. I forgive you. Go and sin no more.
Blessings,

So your attitude toward women did not come from your Mom.
Well, that much is good to know.
If you took me as attacking your parents, I am sorry. That was not my intention.
I am trying to figure out how you got this oh-so-superior, bow down to me cuz I'm a MAN [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse], attitude.
My deepest apologies to your Mom and Dad.
 
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quote=Imagican;67137353]Each person receiving this 'understanding' through divine revelation is given a DIFFERENT understanding? It is MY opinion that DIFFERENT understanding of God can ONLY come from DIFFERENT gods. And the Word itself states that there ARE INDEED, 'gods MANY'. While only one TRUE God, there are a myriad number of gods that have been 'created by men' or revealed as God by 'the enemy'.

Your opinion? Darling I hope you know that your opinion isn't worth any more than anyone else's opinion.
You know what they say about opinions I trust?
(hint: everyone has one and most of 'em stink)

You can't say that something is not true because different people have different understandings of it...especially when we are talking about God. We believe in the same God, yet our understanding of Him is different for each of us. I think it has to do with how we experience Him.
Have you ever had a personal encounter with God?

For instance, I KNOW that there are angels who look after us, because of an NDE I had many years ago. But that's another subject for another thread...




What does this have to do with the subject we are discussing?
What do I think when I read about Moloch? For beginners, I am disgusted. And I think that those Jews should not have let the people around them who did not know God influence them.

Suppose I told you that it was this story that got me involved in the fight against abortion in the first place? We are slaughtering over a million unborn children every year. Do we think God has changed His mind since the days of Moloch?
And yet, I'm told this is a "women's issue". Oh, puh-leeeeeze. Don't these kids have Daddies? And how many of the babes who are murdered, do you suppose, are boy babies?
If you ask me, for every abortion done, we ought to sterilize both parents...that would definitely cut down on the number of unwanted babies, don't you think?



And once again, we find ourselves in agreement.
Imagine that!



Oh well...there was a shining moment there.
To this, let me say that, there are a great many people who claim to follow Christ who don't know Him at all.
And again...the things you are decrying can not be laid upon the shoulders of the church. Remember, God has been asked to remove Himself from public office in our country, just as He was in the days of Samuel.
And look what happened after God vacated the throne of Israel, at their request.
I don't see how any Christian could be surprised that the world is in such a state....



Oh, Hun...are you quite sure you want to go there?
Are you really calling me a liar?
Do you really want me to respond in kind?

Once again, let me very gently say that you do not know me.
I think perhaps that you might be projecting your own ideas into some imagined "revelation of the spirit".

And again, let me very very gently suggest that, if you do not know Who Jesus is, then how are you communicating with the comforter that He sent?



I'll leave that spanking to God.
I'm sorry it took me so long to get back to you...life seems to be intervening this morning...



Blessings,

MEC [/quote][/quote]

So, you are NOT going to offer clarification? Are you still going to maintain that you HAVE read the Bible ONCE, completely, every year since the age of eleven? I asked a question and your response was to ask me 'if I wanted to 'go there'? If I hadn't I wouldn't. Of course I WANT to 'go there'. I want clarification. Did you MISTAKENLY make that comment in the 'heat of the moment' and would NOW like to clarify the TRUTH. Or are you going to maintain that you HAVE read the ENTIRE Bible once a year since the age of eleven. I don't only want to GO THERE. I would like an OUTRIGHT answer. For you see, that is EXACTLY what God wants of us. TO PROVE OURSELVES so when it comes time for judgment, there isn't ANY question as to THE REASON behind the judgement.

Blessings,

MEC
 
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I'm sorry, but I take your continued efforts to claim "authority" over me just cuz you happen to be of the male persuasion as a personal affront. You are not my husband, or my father. And I do assure you, neither one of those guys would appreciate you trying to usurp their authority.

As for "female apostle"...here is the verse:

Rom 16:7 Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellowprisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.

Notice, Junia is not a man's name. She is a woman.
And you can read about lots more ladies who held positions of authority in the church...yes, even authority over men.
 
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Since much of the force of the anti-Trinity argument in this thread has been accompanied by descriptions of Trinitarians as not understanding how to read or do arithmetic, of betraying the teachings of God for the teachings of men, of being intellectually complicit in the crimes of people associated with the Council of Nicaea, and even of being under the influence of the Devil, well, that seems like the reason we Trinitarians might feel offended in this thread. When I argue against unitarians, I don't base my argument on accusations of not grasping basic rules of counting.
 
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So, you are NOT going to offer clarification? Are you still going to maintain that you HAVE read the Bible ONCE, completely, every year since the age of eleven? I asked a question and your response was to ask me 'if I wanted to 'go there'? If I hadn't I wouldn't. Of course I WANT to 'go there'. I want clarification. Did you MISTAKENLY make that comment in the 'heat of the moment' and would NOW like to clarify the TRUTH. Or are you going to maintain that you HAVE read the ENTIRE Bible once a year since the age of eleven. I don't only want to GO THERE. I would like an OUTRIGHT answer. For you see, that is EXACTLY what God wants of us. TO PROVE OURSELVES so when it comes time for judgment, there isn't ANY question as to THE REASON behind the judgement.

Blessings,

MEC[/quote]

This year I'm up to 2 Chronicles. If you like, I'll keep you posted...but I warn you, it takes me a bit longer when I get to Numbers and Dueteronomy.
Perhaps it wasn't your intention to call me a liar...
 
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Hi,
I just came home from work, and yes Jesus who is Lord of the Sabbath is the assigner of my being at Evergreen Aviation Museum, as a docent on Sunday's. So, hopefully that wil not be seen as another flaw in my experiences, by some.

Welll actually, the fact that you have told us who you are, where to find you in Corvallis Oregon, and at what time, suggests to me that you're looking for a boyfriend.
 
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NOPE!!!!!! I have had MANY, (most), try to TELL ME that they don't really CARE what the Bible says, they are going to believe what they WANT to believe regardless. Fortunately I found one that is more than satisfied to put God first in her life and me second. And you'd be amazed how much she's learned concerning the TRUTH.

IOW, you found one of those weak willed silly little bits of chattel that will bow to any man, simply because he is a man. You could be an alcoholic brute, and still she would "recognize" your authority.
I have seen women like her in women's shelters...and in hospitals. And yes, many of them had "Christian" husbands.
God never intended for women to be second class citizens.
The injunction for women to submit to their husbands is very quickly followed by instructions for the husband to love his wife as Christ loves the church. He is to reverence her, not "lord it over" her.
And, did you know? Husband and wife are equals, yes, even in the marriage bed.
I've met a few men with your attitude, yes, even a few Christian men. They tend to be bullies.
And you know what they say...scratch a bully, and you'll find a coward.
Guys with this attitude are generally not very secure in their own manhood.


Dear TheBarrd,
They actually had to fire a guy twice, like the man you are referring to. He appealed to the Board of Directors. They all said no. He calls up his boss, and talks and talks and talks. The men know he is wrong. The women know he is wrong. Still this guy treatens to get a judge to get his way. He wants to come back. He wants to work again. Finally, his former Boss Sylivia, said to him. Your rights have not been violated. You are a docent. You did this to yourself. You created a hostile work environment. The guys fired you twice for stalking. They have now fired you for creating a hostile work environment also. Now, you want to get a judge to sue them. They don't have any money. Go for it.
The amazing part is just how far some people go, despite error after error after error. Never, other than in those who want everyone not to believe in God, never have I seen actions like these. If two people like this were working for me, soon they would be gone, as logic does not exist, only dogma, personal dogma, and pesonal opinions.
I have been given the opportunity over the years to work with JW's and Mormons. I am an expert of some to most JW, tactics and theology. These men are using the very same ways as JW's use. First they take the most bogus translation of Scripture, and then defend that. And defend it. And defend it. Never once do they care if is right, and if you ask them questions they insult me and leave in a huff. These men insult and leave, the conversations. Jehovah's Witnesses always insult and leave the conversations with me.
Real or not, these guys fit well with those kinds of guys, in their actions. In their actions.
When ~The Holy Spirit one day guided David in what to say, David Said this: God The Father said to His Son, Jesus, who is also Lord, just like his dad, sit here on my right side, until I make your enemies a footstool for you.~ In another statement in Psalms ~God The Father says to God The Son, ask of me anything, you who are my son, the only son I have who is not adopted by me, you who are of me, ask me anything and I will give it to you. I will give to you as an inheritance all the pagans, all the genitiles of the world. Jesus, the only son of His Father, accepts that inheritance. He then speaks~ Those words are in Psalms 2.
For you, God is not only an attribute like being a carpenter, it is a job like being a carpenter. Everyone here banters around the idea of God, as being a person, like a carpenter is a person, but everyone here seems to think, a carpenter can never be a person also.
In once case Jesus Christ is talking to a woman in the last century. Her name is Faustina. He tells her in one of their one on one conversations: "When I am God, I am something else." He is clearly telling her, that although he treats her just like any guy would treat her, when He has to do the job of God, he does the job of God, and he is not that personable in that role.
God did not die 2000 years ago, in the sense that He no longer exists, and God always existed in heaven even when Jesus died, so did The Holy Spirit exist, when Jesus died. God did not cease to exist.
God can and does talk to people on earth, it is in Acts of The Apostles. He has not stopped talking to some of us. And yet, with all of that, someone or sometwo's would like to use one of the two poorest translations of Greek, into English, and defend that, with thier lives and their insults, as though everyone one hear is their enemy.
Stop someday. Please stop. It will be easier on you, if you stop, than if you are stopped. Do you really think you are tougher than God? One day, if you do not stop, He will have to.
If you think He has not stopped you and therefore He must be weak, or He must be asleep, rather remember how long he waited to stop Sodom and Gamorrah. It wasn't until they had completely proven to God, that they were not going to change. God does not want to hurt. He has to protect others, yet He waits a very long time, even letting good people get hurt, before He corrects what He now must, to protect everyone else. That is the Goodness of God, on display.

LOVE and love,
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I was just thinking....................OOOOOPS. Certainly doesn't appear that too many people here LIKE that idea.

If I pointed out that the Bible STATES that homosexuality is an abomination. Not only a sin against MAN, but a direct sin against God Himself.

How does that in ANY way make me a HATER of homosexuals? If anything, I PITY those that I witness WRECKING their SOULS. I have NO hatred towards those that call themselves 'gay'. It's not MY problem until they start trying to make me SAY that it's OK or RIGHTEOUS for them to choose such a lifestyle. And to RECOGNIZE the TRUTH doesn't make me a 'hater'. If anything, it makes me a LOVER. A LOVER of God's Word and the TRUTH.

So what would inspire someone to accuse another of HATE for simply offering the TRUTH? Obviously someone that HATES the truth. Nothing but a PLOY to try and direct their OWN hatred upon another.

And what the Bible offers concerning homosexuality is an OPINION. The Bible doesn't 'beat around the bush' in what it offers concerning MEN being with OTHER MEN or WOMEN being with OTHER WOMEN. It is CRYSTAL CLEAR.

The act of anal sex is called SODOMY. ALL indications are that this very word CAME from the story of SODOM and Gomorrah. Get it? SODOM. These were TWO predominantly HOMOSEXUAL cities that God DESTROYED because FIVE righteous couldn't be found between EITHER. And the ONLY indication of their SINS was homosexuality. These were TWO cities that had become ABOMINATIONS to God to the extent that He DESTROYED them BOTH.

I didn't DESTROY either. I have NEVER harmed a homosexual nor have I ever ENCOURAGED ANYONE to harm a homosexual.

I have simply READ the Word, (Bible), and chosen to BELIEVE it. The Bible does NOT teach us to destroy homosexuals or HATE them simply by the offering of the story I have mentioned. But it DOES offer us some INSIGHT as to HOW God views such behavior. Paul emphasizes it in the first chapter of Romans.

So what does it indicate when one tries to project THEIR hatred onto OTHER by indicating that there is HATRED offered in the TRUTH? Me offering what the Bible states isn't a matter of HATE. It's a matter of TRUE love. Love of God and Love of His Word. We are SUPPOSE to not only SPREAD His Word, but UPHOLD it as well.

Blessings,

MEC
 
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Dear TheBarrd,
They actually had to fire a guy twice, like the man you are referring to. He appealed to the Board of Directors. They all said no. He calls up his boss, and talks and talks and talks. The men know he is wrong. The women know he is wrong. Still this guy treatens to get a judge to get his way. He wants to come back. He wants to work again. Finally, his former Boss Sylivia, said to him. Your rights have not been violated. You are a docent. You did this to yourself. You created a hostile work environment. The guys fired you twice for stalking. They have now fired you for creating a hostile work environment also. Now, you want to get a judge to sue them. They don't have any money. Go for it.
The amazing part is just how far some people go, despite error after error after error. Never, other than in those who want everyone not to believe in God, never have I seen actions like these. If two people like this were working for me, soon they would be gone, as logic does not exist, only dogma, personal dogma, and pesonal opinions.
I have been given the opportunity over the years to work with JW's and Mormons. I am an expert of some to most JW, tactics and theology. These men are using the very same ways as JW's use. First they take the most bogus translation of Scripture, and then defend that. And defend it. And defend it. Never once do they care if is right, and if you ask them questions they insult me and leave in a huff. These men insult and leave, the conversations. Jehovah's Witnesses always insult and leave the conversations with me.
Real or not, these guys fit well with those kinds of guys, in their actions. In their actions.
When ~The Holy Spirit one day guided David in what to say, David Said this: God The Father said to His Son, Jesus, who is also Lord, just like his dad, sit here on my right side, until I make your enemies a footstool for you.~ In another statement in Psalms ~God The Father says to God The Son, ask of me anything, you who are my son, the only son I have who is not adopted by me, you who are of me, ask me anything and I will give it to you. I will give to you as an inheritance all the pagans, all the genitiles of the world. Jesus, the only son of His Father, accepts that inheritance. He then speaks~ Those words are in Psalms 2.
For you, God is not only an attribute like being a carpenter, it is a job like being a carpenter. Everyone here banters around the idea of God, as being a person, like a carpenter is a person, but everyone here seems to think, a carpenter can never be a person also.
In once case Jesus Christ is talking to a woman in the last century. Her name is Faustina. He tells her in one of their one on one conversations: "When I am God, I am something else." He is clearly telling her, that although he treats her just like any guy would treat her, when He has to do the job of God, he does the job of God, and he is not that personable in that role.
God did not die 2000 years ago, in the sense that He no longer exists, and God always existed in heaven even when Jesus died, so did The Holy Spirit exist, when Jesus died. God did not cease to exist.
God can and does talk to people on earth, it is in Acts of The Apostles. He has not stopped talking to some of us. And yet, with all of that, someone or sometwo's would like to use one of the two poorest translations of Greek, into English, and defend that, with thier lives and their insults, as though everyone one hear is their enemy.
Stop someday. Please stop. It will be easier on you, if you stop, than if you are stopped. Do you really think you are tougher than God? One day, if you do not stop, He will have to.
If you think He has not stopped you and therefore He must be weak, or He must be asleep, rather remember how long he waited to stop Sodom and Gamorrah. It wasn't until they had completely proven to God, that they were not going to change. God does not want to hurt. He has to protect others, yet He waits a very long time, even letting good people get hurt, before He corrects what He now must, to protect everyone else. That is the Goodness of God, on display.

LOVE and love,
...Katerina.,


Yes...God is longsuffering toward us...it is because He is a God of love.
But He will not continue forever...
Not forever.
I will state here publically...you are quite right. God does still talk to His children. Jesus also says that "My sheep hear My voice"...
It is true, for I have heard Him myself.
And now I will hear even more insults...
But what of it? Jesus did say that the world didn't like Him either...
 
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Was Jesus physical body created? When did God poof into a man? when Mary's egg split into 2 cells? first trimester? 2nd? 3rd? just before Jesus came out of the womb? just after Jesus came out of the womb?

If Jesus physical body wasn't created does that mean his physical body existed for all eternity going from a full human body to morphing into a 2 cell embrio, then back to a man?

If Jesus physical body was created , what about his human soul and human spirit? were they created? or did the omnipresent god poof into a human spirit and human soul when he poofed into a 2 cell embrio?

Is the answer to all these questions , "Rotherham is bad bad bad" or is it "2ducklow is Imagican"? which one?
 
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I was just thinking....................OOOOOPS. Certainly doesn't appear that too many people here LIKE that idea.

If I pointed out that the Bible STATES that homosexuality is an abomination. Not only a sin against MAN, but a direct sin against God Himself.

How does that in ANY way make me a HATER of homosexuals? If anything, I PITY those that I witness WRECKING their SOULS. I have NO hatred towards those that call themselves 'gay'. It's not MY problem until they start trying to make me SAY that it's OK or RIGHTEOUS for them to choose such a lifestyle. And to RECOGNIZE the TRUTH doesn't make me a 'hater'. If anything, it makes me a LOVER. A LOVER of God's Word and the TRUTH.

So what would inspire someone to accuse another of HATE for simply offering the TRUTH? Obviously someone that HATES the truth. Nothing but a PLOY to try and direct their OWN hatred upon another.

And what the Bible offers concerning homosexuality is an OPINION. The Bible doesn't 'beat around the bush' in what it offers concerning MEN being with OTHER MEN or WOMEN being with OTHER WOMEN. It is CRYSTAL CLEAR.

The act of anal sex is called SODOMY. ALL indications are that this very word CAME from the story of SODOM and Gomorrah. Get it? SODOM. These were TWO predominantly HOMOSEXUAL cities that God DESTROYED because FIVE righteous couldn't be found between EITHER. And the ONLY indication of their SINS was homosexuality. These were TWO cities that had become ABOMINATIONS to God to the extent that He DESTROYED them BOTH.

I didn't DESTROY either. I have NEVER harmed a homosexual nor have I ever ENCOURAGED ANYONE to harm a homosexual.

I have simply READ the Word, (Bible), and chosen to BELIEVE it. The Bible does NOT teach us to destroy homosexuals or HATE them simply by the offering of the story I have mentioned. But it DOES offer us some INSIGHT as to HOW God views such behavior. Paul emphasizes it in the first chapter of Romans.

So what does it indicate when one tries to project THEIR hatred onto OTHER by indicating that there is HATRED offered in the TRUTH? Me offering what the Bible states isn't a matter of HATE. It's a matter of TRUE love. Love of God and Love of His Word. We are SUPPOSE to not only SPREAD His Word, but UPHOLD it as well.

Blessings,

MEC


You were not decrying homosexuality. You were openly stating that a woman or a homosexual could not translate Greek.
Which is patently ridiculous...you don't need male accoutrements in order to translate a language...
 
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Thinking just might be a good habit for you to adopt, Magician...especially before you post.

And I notice you have no comment on my post where I showed you a female apostle...

Rom 16:7 Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellowprisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.

Once again, Junia...notice the "a" there at the end...is a female name. Just as Andronicus...see the "us" there at the end...is a male name.

However, I suspect you will continue to ignore what you don't want to hear...
 
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I'm sorry, but I take your continued efforts to claim "authority" over me just cuz you happen to be of the male persuasion as a personal affront. You are not my husband, or my father. And I do assure you, neither one of those guys would appreciate you trying to usurp their authority.

As for "female apostle"...here is the verse:

Rom 16:7 Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellowprisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.

Notice, Junia is not a man's name. She is a woman.
And you can read about lots more ladies who held positions of authority in the church...yes, even authority over men.

I have, NOT ONCE, attempt to usurp the authority of your husband or you father. Once again, you falsely accuse me.

Paul didn't state that women shall not usurp the authority of their husbands or fathers, he plainly stated MAN. Shall I QUOTE what he stated? Once again you ERR in favor of your LUSTS and DESIRES.

1 Timothy 2:

9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.


I don't see ONE word about HUSBANDS or FATHERS. Do you?


Blessings,


MEC
 
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Thinking just might be a good habit for you to adopt, Magician...especially before you post.

And I notice you have no comment on my post where I showed you a female apostle...

Rom 16:7 Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellowprisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.

Once again, Junia...notice the "a" there at the end...is a female name. Just as Andronicus...see the "us" there at the end...is a male name.

However, I suspect you will continue to ignore what you don't want to hear...
Junia was OF NOTE among the apostles. NOT she was an apostle. I am OF NOTE to some people in my church, but I am not SOME PEOPLE. That verse says Junia was a fellow kinsman and fellow prisoner, not Junia was a fellow apostle.

point of logic there.
 
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Thinking just might be a good habit for you to adopt, Magician...especially before you post.

And I notice you have no comment on my post where I showed you a female apostle...

Rom 16:7 Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellowprisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.

Once again, Junia...notice the "a" there at the end...is a female name. Just as Andronicus...see the "us" there at the end...is a male name.

However, I suspect you will continue to ignore what you don't want to hear...

I DID address it SPECIFICALLY. You obviously OVERLOOKED it. But since you missed it the FIRST time, I'll SPECIFICALLY address it AGAIN:

There has NEVER been, nor will there EVER be: a woman apostle. That, my dear, is an IMPOSSIBILITY.

One of the ATTRIBUTES of a TRUE apostle was that they ALL were MEN. ALL were JEWS. And ALL were direct disciples of Christ UNTIL Saul was chosen. But even HIS apostleship is questionable. He himself stated that he was NOT BEHIND the apostles, but that didn't MAKE him an outright apostle so far as the TWELVE chosen.

Just like Israel is called the 'twelve tribes' according the the children of Israel, it is MY opinion that the THIRTEENTH child was actually GREATER than ALL the 'other sons'. ABOVE, not BELOW. Greater, not LESSER. It was the YOUNGEST son responsible for the very LIVES of all the rest. it was the YOUNGEST that showed the ability to FORGIVE the efforts of the others to DESTROY him. It was the YOUNGEST that was MOST blessed by God Himself.

So too would it appear that Paul was in a SIMILAR position. Even Peter, whom Christ stated was the ROCK upon which His Church would be built, stumbled in ways that PAUL never did. It actually TOOK Paul to PUSH the fact that Christ died for ALL men and NOT 'just the Jews' till God saw fit to give Peter a direct VISION in order to convince HIM.

But I digress. Suffice is to say, in direct answer to your statement: What you have offered is NOT 'in the Bible' which you SAY you have read over FIFTY times. There is NO SENTENCE in the ENTIRE Bible that offers that there has EVER been a 'woman apostle'. If you BELIEVE differently and would like to PROVE what you believe, SHOW US. Offer the sentence or SHOW us where the Bible offers that ANY woman has EVER been an apostle.

Either SHOW us or RECANT. Admit that you are WRONG. Or do you have such capacity?

Blessings,

MEC
 
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