Really? Trinity?

[ron4shua]

Please except my profound apologizes , my post was intended to throw an arm around both of you folks . But now I see no comfort in it at all , please know I apologize & regret this , giving a miss , I should know better .

 

[katerinah1947]

Except I am a she, Katerina...I am female.

Thank you, Love....

Hi,
Very interesting. I will check on this.
LOVE and love.,
...Katerina.,

 

[katerinah1947]

Hi,
Very interesting. I will check on this.
LOVE and love.,
...Katerina.,

Message is sent. I am awaiting a response now. It could take days though.
LOVE and love,
...Katerina.,

P.S. Yes, I have no idea, how I wandered in here again. I am glad I did though.
LOVE and love,
...Katerina.

 

[TheBarrd]

Please except my profound apologizes , my post was intended to throw an arm around both of you folks . But now I see no comfort in it at all , please know I apologize & regret this , giving a miss , I should know better .

Who are you apologizing to, Ron? Not me, I trust...as far as I know, you have done nothing to apologize for.

 

[katerinah1947]

CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: The Blessed Trinity

 

[katerinah1947]

Hi,
While I await that answer for all of us, I remember a clarification the angel made once about himself. He said I am neither male, nor female. I just let people call me male and I appear in any form I wish, from a child to a character in a comic.
I think we are all males or females gender wise, yet others disagree with me and they may be right. Some say they are both, some say they switch, although difficult for me to imagine, nor want, it seems to be their reality.

Amazingly Wisdom, the one I call God's gal-pal, is seen in context, as impossible to separate from her feminine gender, and to all detractors, not Jesus as some would say as she is created, but also not a characteristic, as both of those differences are seen there, separately.

It seems in Proverbs, God's gal pal, (From Proverbs 8. Read it she enjoys God's works and God enjoys her...... Enough said, for me. Also the way it is said, is so feminine, that every woman who reads that, totally sees herself in those words, and she then knows how Wisdom felt about God. She also sees how males react to her, and she sees that also in the words of God there.), Wisdom is clearly a female.

Yet one day as I am being prepared to understand a single Question that God The Father put to me one day, I was routinely talking to people, but to the real them. In each person then, I saw with my heart probably just like my heart was my eyes, and in real life, actively, while carrying on my normal 12 hour a day duties of solving problems on machinery and even computer programs, while totally engaged in those tasks, others would talk to me, and in those days, I talked to a glowing orb in them, which was unique to every person, it was so unique there was no possiblity of envy later, none, each glowing orb was the actual person, and it talked to the body continuously, the body however never usually felt, that orb, as the body makes too much noise, yet it is always there, and if that is the real us, then it has no gender. None. None of those objects, which are the real us, had a gender, now I have held this in for years, as I don't like and can't fathom yet a life free from gender, but I am slowly learning about that, and although that is off the point, so it won't be discussed yet, Remember, is this is how God sees us, how we are in our heart, then my guess will be, that this is how that angel saw us, it is how we really are, and when I coud see that each of us was beautiful, wonderful and unique, but no gender, no gender in any of us, I suspect the angel who only lets me use the word he for him, as it is a convenience for me, may in fact be merely calling you B......... a he in convenience also, as he sees and knows the real you, who sees angels in a way, and that what he sees and what I saw back then, has no gender.
LOVE and love,
...Katerina.
I wonder how the "two?" posters who totally seem like the same person to me, will handle the Catholic site, on the Trinity? They have not responded to any of those references yet, and to handle me, who has seen God in Trinitarian ways, they call me evil. Wasn't Jesus called evil by his detractors once?
LOVE and love,
...Katerina., ..... .
I find it interesting that I am revealing more and more of my interior life with God, as each of these people say things. I think that last gift was called the gift of souls to me. It is to see each person as they truly are. That gift and many others, after I was asked the question, were passed on to others, one by one. I don't know why yet. I think it is because I have learned what I needed to learn from that. I am worried though at times, sometimes I think I have saddened God immeasurably and He had to reject me, like Saul. Yes, I have had those thoughts. I just hope it is for any reason, other than that.
LOVE and love,
...Katerina.,

I like to sign off in a certian way. It is this LOVE and love. Although I should probably just sign off as LOVE, which is my best attempts at loving the way God actually loves. I could do that one day. I loved as He, God The Father loved.
Later that gift was given to a man, who understood little about loving others. I know how it will go with him. I was once him in that way. I was nice as I could be. I was as compassionate as I couold be, but there must have been a disconnect, for this as again I am being prepared to answer a single question God will put to me one day, this happened, to me, who likes to talk then, but only in fun, and probably only about me, and things I liked, it changed to this, an Agape type of like.
As I was used to that finally, it was like this, I could not get enough of each person telling me everything about themselves, it was marvelous, wonderful, and maybe beautiful, but I would do this while handling phone calls, fixing computer programs, and leaving to fix equipment, in twelve hour days, people would drop by, soon I would be visitied by people all day long, I think, then one day the like changed, it turned to love, I didn't want to say thay, I didn't want to tell anyone, I tried and I tried not to say, but then I had to tell everyone and I did, I now loved them, in an agape way, not in a romatic way, but in an agape way, everything was fine for awhile, I never told them the upgrade, it changed to a greater love than agape, it was much greater, I felt (with content guys. Feelings sometimes have content. This was one of those.) and knew what it was, also I knew I could tell no one, no one till now, I loved exactly like God does, I loved with His Love, then years later, it would change, I would be asked to give that away, I gave it to who God The Holy Spirit asked me to give it to, and he needed it. I really missed that one, but I remember some to much of what it was like, and I sign off that way, with the ways I remember of how God loves, I use the word LOVE then, it is selfless, it is for you, it is for everyone that way, it is as though He nor I exist, when we are loving you, for you, for what makes you holier, nicer, lovelier, it is loving as though God or I die totally to self, and you are all there is in existence right then..... the other love, is my personal love for each of you, intimate, caring.....
LOVE and love,
...Katerina., .... .

With this much thinking and feeling, I am actually exhausted now. I will rest.
LOVE and love,
...Katerina., ..... .

 

[Imagican]

Sorry to disappoint you, Ron. I decided to pull the plug BEFORE it got any nastier. I'm not much into those kind of Christian "chats"...

Part one of two:

What is a MOD? And why would MOD'S descend?? Please explain what you mean.

Mods are "Moderators". And they USUALLY descend upon groups that end up insulting each other rather than discussing topics.

I have found that among certain individuals, when a conversation doesn't 'go their way', they will often become SO insulting that the Moderators will "SHUT DOWN" a thread. So, if they can't have it 'their way', they raise a stink in order to have a topic closed.

And this thread has basically become that. Instead of actually discussing 'trinity', Katrinah and others decided to hijack it into a variety of personal attacks in order to have it 'their way'. Instead of staying on TOPIC, it became more desirable to make false accusations and attack individuals.

I have a friend who once married a woman who claimed to be a 'Catholic witch'. She said she was a 'good witch', but I don't know that the Bible offers such distinction. When I tried to discuss the issue with her, as soon as it wasn't going HER way, she resorted to insults and turned it into a FIGHT instead of a discussion. As soon as this happened, no more discussion took place. Only heated insults and her trying to tell ME that I had NO IDEA what I was talking about. And since I didn't understand, I was ENVIOUS or JEALOUS of her 'abilities' and THAT'S why I tried to make it SOUND like there was something EVIL or WRONG about her professed 'witching abilities'. Sound familiar?

Often no different here on the forums. When someone tries to use logic or the Bible to point out that what someone has stated is askew, some won't accept it and will do whatever they are able to try and CHANGE the subject. Especially when they KNOW the other person is RIGHT.

But isn't it absolutely AMAZING that SO MANY profess a belief in 'trinity', yet deny the very DEFINITION of it according to those that 'created' it?

Or how HARD it is for those that profess to believe in 'trinity' to ADMIT that it was NOT something taught by Christ or the apostles. But rather something that wasn't even DEFINED according to Christianity until HUNDREDS of years AFTER the death of Christ AND the apostles.

And this is a pretty clear sign that it's IMPOSSIBLE to actually BELIEVE in something that CANNOT be comprehended. While one can SAY anything, the TRUTH is it is IMPOSSIBLE to actually BELIEVE in something that cannot be comprehended. You can SAY you do, but in truth, you can't believe in something that you have no comprehension of.

Why do you THINK Christ performed the miracles that He did? Because He and GOD knew that without them, what He said would have little actual POWER as compared to SHOWING it. Christ didn't raise Lazarus simply because He loved Lazarus. He raised Lazarus to SHOW those that were aware of his death that He was 'the Christ': The Son of the Living God.

When He told the woman at the well that He knew all about her LIFE, He did this for ONE reason: to SHOW the woman that He possessed the POWER to KNOW her even though they were strangers.

Therefore it's pretty OBVIOUS that actions often speak louder than words. Since it's SO EASY for men's mouths to utter whatever they desire, the 'proof is in the pudding'. It's not about what one SAYS, it's about what one DOES. And not SO MUCH what they DO, as it is: WHY they DO IT.

God CANNOT die. So, isn't it OBVIOUS that no matter what one SAYS they BELIEVE, if they believe that Jesus was God and DIED, then they are believing in a DIFFERENT God and DIFFERENT Christ than the one revealed in the Bible?

If someone SAYS that the God that they follow can DO things that are against His 'character', then isn't it OBVIOUS that they have placed their faith in a DIFFERENT God than the one revealed in the Bible? If someone SAYS that God can do ANYTHING, isn't it obvious from the Bible itself, (God's Word), that they are following a DIFFERENT God than the one we are instructed CANNOT do 'everything'?

And this is NOT 'rocket science'. It is what I would call 'common sense'. But often what I CALL 'common sense', isn't really THAT common when it comes to what people SAY they believe.

God CANNOT lie. So there's ONE thing He CANNOT DO. He cannot tempt a man to EVIL. There's TWO things that He CANNOT DO. He cannot DIE. For if He can DIE, He is NOT immortal. And being IMMORTAL is one of the Characteristics of GOD. So if you BELIEVE that God DIED on a cross, you are SAYING that YOU believe in a DIFFERENT God than the one revealed in the Bible. If you SAY that "your god" can DO ANYTHING, then you are outright ADMITTING that your god is not THE God revealed in the Bible.

And not surprising. Satan's desire is to BE the 'god of this world'. And he is well versed in mimicking the TRUE God. He is quite subtle and very influential when it comes to giving people what it is that they desire. And he is capable of making people FEEL good when they accept HIM as God. Quite a temptation to worship HIM as God instead of God Himself.

It is MY opinion, (and I believe totally backed by scripture), that any and ALL gods other than the ONE true God are Satan or his minions. When Israel stumbled the MOST throughout the entire OT, it was in their 'spiritual adultery', (placing their faith in and offering their devotion to FALSE gods: (Satan). Molech being one they often followed which actually required them to sacrifice their own children by BURNING them alive. And when prophets sent by God tried to warn them of their folly, they were IGNORED. Only when God PUNISHED them did they turn away from their 'false gods'.

Do you REALLY think that things are any different TODAY? That all that profess to follow God are following the ONE true God? If that were so, ALL would have the SAME beliefs. Yet just about anyone that you ask to explain their god to you, you get a DIFFERENT explanation. How is that? How does an UNCHANGING God reveal Himself to ten different people as TEN DIFFERENT gods?

And if one didn't KNOW the difference between God and Satan, how could they TELL the difference?

One way is to READ the scriptures. If the GOD you profess to believe in has characteristics that CONTRADICT what we are given in scripture, then it is a pretty CLEAR sign that THAT god isn't THE God.

So, if you ignore who Christ STATED He was/is according to scripture, it is MORE likely you are professing to follow a DIFFERENT Christ. I can call a planet Christ, or a car, or ANYTHING. It's when I accept the TRUE Christ that I am then able to follow in TRUTH. There are 'Christs MANY' just as their are 'gods MANY'. Doesn't the Bible TELL US that MANY 'false Christs' would arise? How do we KNOW the TRUE Christ? We START by accepting WHO He said He was/IS: The Son of the Living God. And if scripture STATES that Christ was 'created' by God, then if you believe in a Christ that wasn't created, you obviously are placing your faith in a DIFFERENT Christ.

Revelation 3:

14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God

Here is Christ REVEALING Himself through scripture. And it is CLEAR that He is using descriptions of Himself: The Amen, the faithful and true witness, the BEGINNING of the 'creation of GOD'. Here Christ is SAYING that HE IS THE BEGINNING of the 'creation of God'. Isn't that CLEAR ENOUGH? And He also states over and over that these words are for them that can HEAR what He is saying. A plain and clear indication that there would be MANY that would be unable to HEAR what He is saying. Not LITERALLY 'hear', but understand and ACCEPT what He is saying.

The 'beginning of the 'creation of God' would be that which was created IN THE BEGINNING. That which was 'created FIRST'. And as 'creation' as it is offered is that which pertains to MAN, then it is obvious that BEFORE God created MAN through CHRIST, Christ was 'created FIRST'. He is the 'firstborn' of EVERY 'creature'. He is the ONLY begotten Son of God. Regardless of the inane explanation offered by the RCC concerning begotten, ALL uses of the word throughout the Bible are in reference to PROGENY. There is NOTHING offered in scripture concerning ETERNAL GENERATION. Heck, there is nothing OTHER THAN the RCCs creation of this concept that exists PERIOD. If you believe differently, then I challenge you to SHOW me through SCRIPTURE where it offers this 'eternal generation' of the Son. The Son was 'created by God' according to scripture. The very use of the word SON is indicative of progeny. A Father is FIRST, and FROM the Father COMES a Son. The Son is a PRODUCT of the Father. A king and his prince are a part of the same Kingdom, but they are NOT the SAME entity. One is the SON of the OTHER. The King came FIRST and then his SON. While they may well share attributes and the King is able to bestow upon his son whatever POWER he chooses, ultimately, the power STILL belongs to the King who chooses to SHARE it. Ultimately he can TAKE IT BACK if he so chooses.

Christ did NOT 'send himself' IN THE FLESH. He was SENT by God, His Father. At least according to His OWN words. When Christ prayed, He was not praying to ONE part of HIMSELF. He was praying to His Father: GOD. When Christ directed US how we should pray, He did NOT direct our prayers to HIMSELF, but to GOD: His Father.

 

[Imagican]

part 2 of 2.

Is Christ worthy of our worship? That's a tricky question to ask of many for many don't even understand what the word MEANS. But to offer an answer: YES!!! ABSOLUTELY!!!! Christ IS worthy of our worship...................AS the Son of The Living God. The ONLY begotten Son of God.

But I contend that IF Jesus is NOT God Himself, then to worship Him AS God is to offer FALSE worship to a FALSE god. And Christ AND God surely KNOW the difference. They BOTH know what's in one's heart. Doesn't matter what they SAY, both Christ and His Father KNOW the TRUTH that exists in one's HEART.

The RCC, eager to find the means to worship Christ AS God, created this 'trinity' which allowed them to do so. But in TRUTH, what they succeeded in doing was the 'creation of a DIFFERENT God and a DIFFERENT Christ'. How else do you believe that they were able to justify their ACTS? If they were TRULY following God and His Son, could they have INVENTED devices used to TORTURE people? Could they have gone on their 'Crusades'? MURDERING any and all who refused to accept THEIR God? STEALING from those that they labeled heathen. Enslaving and working to death those that refused to accept 'their religion'? These are certainly NOT the methods introduced by the TRUE Christ. Yet they did these things in the NAME of THEIR Christ.

When I was a kid, before coming to know God and His Son, one of my biggest arguments AGAINST a belief in Christ was the EXAMPLE of the RCC. I would often say, "If THAT which they represent is God and His Son, then I have no use for either. A God that would inspire men to TORTURE and MURDER other men simply for disagreeing with what they TEACH? That is not any sort of God that I would choose to follow. Much less BELIEVE in. And any Christ that would inspire men to torture and murder others IN HIS NAME, is no Savior in my opinion. Certainly NO ONE worthy of MY devotion.

For you see, I didn't UNDERSTAND. When the RCC used the name 'Christian', I simply accepted their use of the word. I didn't KNOW any better then. And THAT is the biggest reason that I don't USE the word to define MY faith. For it can mean just about ANYTHING. If one chooses to worship a FALSE Christ, then they can use the term 'Christian' to define their faith. When in TRUTH, their hearts can be FAR FAR from the TRUE Christ while CALLING themselves: Christian.

To be a 'TRUE' Christian would be to FOLLOW Christ. Does ANYONE reading this truly BELIEVE that Christ INSPIRED the RCC to torture and MURDER people? ANYONE? A man who willingly went to the cross over FALSE accusation, do you REALLY believe that HE would inspire men to TORTURE and MURDER others? So isn't it OBVIOUS that any 'group' that would DO THESE THING in the NAME of Christ are simply following a DIFFERENT Christ? A 'group' that would claim to be FOLLOWERS of Christ, yet DO just the OPPOSITE of what the TRUE Christ TAUGHT, could ONLY be falsely labeling themselves 'Christians'?

If you ADMIT that Christ would NEVER inspire men to TORTURE and MURDER other men over a difference in BELIEFS, then it is CLEAR that you recognize that someone USING the NAME of Christ to DO these things are either LYING to FOLLOWING a 'false Christ'.

I choose to recognize that it is the 'created Christ' of the RCC that allowed them to perpetuate the FALSE illusion of being 'Christians'. For a TRUE Christian would be a FOLLOWER of the TRUE Christ. And the TRUE Christ would NEVER inspire men to TORTURE and MURDER other men simply because they didn't agree with each other. The TRUE Christ would NEVER inspire men to STEAL from others in HIS NAME. The TRUE Christ would NEVER inspire men to create devices to TORTURE other men. The TRUE Christ would NEVER inspire men to WORSHIP a BUILDING or RELICS or a MAN chosen as POPE. He certainly wouldn't inspire men to carve FALSE images of Himself and then bow to them and PRAY to them. Yet this is EXACTLY what the RCC would try to convince you Christ has inspired them to DO. They PRETEND to be pious followers of Christ, yet their hearts couldn't be FURTHER away from Him. The EVIDENCE is so OBVIOUS that I find it difficult to understand HOW one could CHOOSE to follow such LIES. What kind of DARKNESS could exist in one's HEART would INSPIRE them to follow a 'Christ' that would INSPIRE men that profess to be His FOLLOWERS to TORTURE and MURDER others in His NAME? WHO could honestly TRUST any MAN or 'group' that would CLAIM to be FOLLOWERS of Christ when they were torturing and murdering others?

And if things were the SAME today as they were just a few hundred years ago, I would be BURNED ALIVE for these words by this 'group' that would CLAIM that they were DOING it in the NAME OF CHRIST. I'll bet that some of you out there RIGHT NOW are thinking, "If only things were STILL that way...............Imagican would be FIRST on MY LIST of those that DESERVE to be BURNT ALIVE". If given the choice between freeing me or TED BUNDY, you'd FREE Ted and insist that I be BURNT ALIVE instead. "WHO does HE think HE IS? Telling the TRUTH in any such manner. We don't want the TRUTH. We want anything BUT the TRUTH. ANYTHING. And if burning him alive will keep his mouth shut, SO BE IT. Let ME light the FIRE.

And HOW do such FEELINGS find their way into the hearts of those PROFESSING to be FOLLOWERS of Christ? They COULDN'T if one were following the TRUE Christ. The Bible tells us if you HATE your brother then there is NO love of God in your heart. That means you don't even KNOW God, much less follow HIS WILL.

And NO amount of FALSE charm is able to FOOL anyone that can SEE the TRUTH. No amount of SUGAR or honey can HIDE darkness. And darkness LOVES the companionship of DARKNESS. Just as the Spirit recognizes the Spirit. So too does DARKNESS recognize it's OWN. Darkness REVELS in ITSELF. It DETESTS the LIGHT. For the LIGHT reveals, darkness HIDES. And no amount of pretending is able to HIDE the TRUTH to those with the ability to SEE.

Just thought I'd say......

Blessings,

MEC

 

[Ripheus27]

You can't worship things "as" things. If we could, we could "worship a rock as a rock," for example, and not be idolaters. Have fun explaining THAT to God one Day.

Also, the Arians would have ended up being just as murderous a group as the RCC, had they gained the upper hand in the end. Or so my reading of this part of history suggests to me. So are we to conclude that unitarianism is evil? Hardly, I hope. It might be self-deceptive (God-is-only-the-Father people, including you, Imagician, still act like Jesus is God), but it's not the end of the world.

Lastly, for God, all things are possible, didn't you know? So couldn't He make it so that He both can and cannot die? (I know what you'll say: that's gibberish! Language doesn't mean anything without logic! As if you knew also that logic depends on non-contradiction, as if non-contradiction was the meaning of the word "not.")

 

[katerinah1947]

Okay then , crapola , just when this scrap was becoming interesting . No MOD'S have descended YET , you can't see blood from my swivel chair , YET !

I'm ecstatic The Wisdom that inspired this ; “ And יהושע answering, said to them, “Is this not why you go astray, because you do not know the 'Scriptures nor the power of Elohim?'
25“For when they rise from the dead, they neither marry nor are given in marriage,' but are as messengers in the heavens.'
26“And concerning the dead, that they rise – have you not read in the book of Mosheh, at the bush, how Elohim spoke to him, saying, ‘I am the Elohim of Aḇraham, and the Elohim of Yitsḥaq, and the Elohim of Ya‛aqoḇ’?
27“He is not the Elohim of the dead, but Elohim of the living. 'You, then, go greatly astray.”
28And one of the scribes coming near, hearing them reasoning together, knowing that He had answered them well, asked Him, “Which is the first command of all?”
29And יהושע answered him, “The first of all the commands is, ‘Hear, O Yisra’ĕl, 'יהוה our Elohim, יהוה is one.'
30‘And you shall love יהוה your Elohim with all your heart, and with all your being, and with all your mind, and with all your strength.’ This is the first command.
31“And the second, like it, is this, ‘You shall love your neighbour as yourself.’ There is no other command greater than these.”

Would this [ “ …but are as messengers in the heavens. “ ] using ' human liturgical reasoning ' cancel any reasonable notion there's a person or persons of any description sitting on any
Throne as “ יהוה our Elohim “, anywhere ?

Allowed me to savvy this bit of mandatory Writ . ;

26“Woe to you when all men speak well of you, for thus their fathers did to the false prophets. [ don't follow the status quo , read it for yourself . ]
27“But I say to you who are hearing: Love your enemies, do good to those hating you.
28“Bless those cursing you, and pray for those insulting you.
29“And to him who hits you on the one cheek, offer the other also. And from him who takes away your outer garment, do not withhold the inner garment either.
30“And give to everyone who asks of you. And from him who takes away what is yours do not ask it back.
31“And as you wish men should do to you, you also do to them in the same way.
32“And if you love those loving you, what favour have you? For sinners, too, love those loving them.
33“And if you do good to those doing good to you, what favour have you? For even sinners do the same.
34“And if you lend to those from whom you expect to receive back, what favour have you? For even sinners lend to sinners to receive as much back.
35“Rather, love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting none in return. And your reward shall be great, and you shall be sons of the Most High. Because He is kind to the thankless and wicked ones.
36“Therefore be compassionate, as your Father also is compassionate.
37“And do not judge, and you shall not be judged at all. Condemn not, and you shall not be condemned at all. Forgive, and you shall be forgiven.
38“Give, and it shall be given to you. A good measure, pressed down and shaken together and running over shall be put into your lap. For with the same measure with which you measure, it shall be measured back to you.” (ISR)

Could this be the main punch line in this second Scripture ? ; “And do not judge, and you shall not be judged at all. Condemn not, and you shall not be condemned at all. Forgive, and you shall be forgiven. “
22“And he said to him, ‘Out of your own mouth I shall judge you, you wicked servant. You knew that I was a hard man, taking up what I did not lay down and reaping what I did not sow.

“ … , “Hear and understand: “
11“Not that which goes into the mouth defiles the man, but that which comes out of the mouth, this defiles the man.”

Hi and thank-you much for this,
I am sorry it took so long to respond to this piece of wonderfulness, but I was very busy on some issues. Today though I read your response twice. It is extremely clear what you said and what you meant.
I am glad you are here. I am glad you spoke Biblically really, and so clearly as some of us no longer speak Bibically, we live it instead. Yet, both are needed, and so are you.
LOVE and love,
...Katerina., .... .

 

[katerinah1947]

Message is sent. I am awaiting a response now. It could take days though.
LOVE and love,
...Katerina.,

P.S. Yes, I have no idea, how I wandered in here again. I am glad I did though.
LOVE and love,
...Katerina.

Here is the original PM, sent to the person with the "talking guardian angel": Originally Posted by katerinah1947
....I so need the break. I just finished dealing with something online.
I couldn't get off fast enough not to get an amazing observation. One of the people there said that I was beautiful. He/She meant it also. You can tell that from words? I guess I have seen that. Anna is that way. I just never ever thought anyone would say that about me.
Also that same person said I was blessed. I had to say, to he/she that I cannot say that I am not. Yet, that is off the point. I just need a break today, and right now.
You and and the whole Holiness Gang, is now my break.
I love you all personally,
...Katerina., He, They and all the holy ones, including **** and *******.

"That person can see us angels, in his own way. He saw who you really are. And he is right."

This might go to a girls head ******** I will try and not let it. Yet, it is really what I want to offer to all of you, some beauty to make your life easier. Some love. Some femininity. Some wonderment of God, maybe lost from He and put in me, but still always it came from He. I just don't know how to handle my thanks.
Yes, I know where beauty comes from. I expect I know what I will see when I see Him. I have read the book. I am told there, no one and no things are more beautiful than He is.

Aww! that's sweet
That is enough out of you Alex!!!!

I told him, that angel through his guardian, the one he is charged with by Jesus to keep alive and to protect, for several years now, that a problem was created. I said it this way:
Also, someone freaked, at being called a guy by ******** online. I suggested to them that no one has a gender in heaven, and he just picked from the words I used, which was he/she for her, and I did not know the gender of the person then who called me beautiful, and blessed.

Although that is poorly said, as you B...... did not freak out, it got the point across that I was looking for an answer to. His, the guardian angel's response was this:
"You're right. In Heaven, one doesen't has a gender in the way humans have on earth. Calling he or she to someone is meaning-less as gender is irelevant."

Now, for all of us, that guardian angel, is not a right of mine. I am in fear everytime I say anything. He is not my encyclopedia of all things God and all things angel. He/she/no-gender (as was said to me), is not one I can trifle with at all. I am astounded really, but learn things. For instance this whole gender thing and earlier this whole no marriage nor being given in marriage thing, I didn' t understand. Now, I understand much of the 'no giving in marriage and no marriage thing in heaven." Yet, this is on gender, and I did not understand that, and maybe needed to.
I think I do now. B....... do you think you know why you were called he now. I am still a little confused over this as he also said to me in some fashion, our gender is the gender of our soul, and mine is definitely female, even though in my earlier years, I would have fought that. Even now some of the time, I wonder. Others don't who know me. It is I who wonder some of the time.
In real life, and this is that, primarily when I am in combat mode, either professionaly with weapons, or with words, and working with bad guys, sometimes I have come away from that, feeling totally MALE. It doesn't last long, but in one case everyone had to calm me down, and they did. I was so very happy to be who I am again then. It is just that sometimes, I feel like the ones I am fighting, in the real world, and most of those are males.
LOVE and love,
...Katerina.,

 

[katerinah1947]

Here is the original PM, sent to the person with the "talking guardian angel": Originally Posted by katerinah1947
....I so need the break. I just finished dealing with something online.
I couldn't get off fast enough not to get an amazing observation. One of the people there said that I was beautiful. He/She meant it also. You can tell that from words? I guess I have seen that. Anna is that way. I just never ever thought anyone would say that about me.
Also that same person said I was blessed. I had to say, to he/she that I cannot say that I am not. Yet, that is off the point. I just need a break today, and right now.
You and and the whole Holiness Gang, is now my break.
I love you all personally,
...Katerina., He, They and all the holy ones, including **** and *******.

"That person can see us angels, in his own way. He saw who you really are. And he is right."

This might go to a girls head ******** I will try and not let it. Yet, it is really what I want to offer to all of you, some beauty to make your life easier. Some love. Some femininity. Some wonderment of God, maybe lost from He and put in me, but still always it came from He. I just don't know how to handle my thanks.
Yes, I know where beauty comes from. I expect I know what I will see when I see Him. I have read the book. I am told there, no one and no things are more beautiful than He is.

Aww! that's sweet
That is enough out of you Alex!!!!

I told him, that angel through his guardian, the one he is charged with by Jesus to keep alive and to protect, for several years now, that a problem was created. I said it this way:
Also, someone freaked, at being called a guy by ******** online. I suggested to them that no one has a gender in heaven, and he just picked from the words I used, which was he/she for her, and I did not know the gender of the person then who called me beautiful, and blessed.

Although that is poorly said, as you B...... did not freak out, it got the point across that I was looking for an answer to. His, the guardian angel's response was this:
"You're right. In Heaven, one doesen't has a gender in the way humans have on earth. Calling he or she to someone is meaning-less as gender is irelevant."

Now, for all of us, that guardian angel, is not a right of mine. I am in fear everytime I say anything. He is not my encyclopedia of all things God and all things angel. He/she/no-gender (as was said to me), is not one I can trifle with at all. I am astounded really, but learn things. For instance this whole gender thing and earlier this whole no marriage nor being given in marriage thing, I didn' t understand. Now, I understand much of the 'no giving in marriage and no marriage thing in heaven." Yet, this is on gender, and I did not understand that, and maybe needed to.
I think I do now. B....... do you think you know why you were called he now. I am still a little confused over this as he also said to me in some fashion, our gender is the gender of our soul, and mine is definitely female, even though in my earlier years, I would have fought that. Even now some of the time, I wonder. Others don't who know me. It is I who wonder some of the time.
In real life, and this is that, primarily when I am in combat mode, either professionaly with weapons, or with words, and working with bad guys, sometimes I have come away from that, feeling totally MALE. It doesn't last long, but in one case everyone had to calm me down, and they did. I was so very happy to be who I am again then. It is just that sometimes, I feel like the ones I am fighting, in the real world, and most of those are males.
LOVE and love,
...Katerina.,

And this is the answer I was given by the human, the angel is charged with protecting and keeping alive:
******** apolagizes. He's got some issues on the gender thing as on Heaven, one has the gender of his soul.
LOVE and love,
...Katerina., (I am who I say I am.), .., ..... .

 

[katerinah1947]

Here is the original PM, sent to the person with the "talking guardian angel": Originally Posted by katerinah1947
....I so need the break. I just finished dealing with something online.
I couldn't get off fast enough not to get an amazing observation. One of the people there said that I was beautiful. He/She meant it also. You can tell that from words? I guess I have seen that. Anna is that way. I just never ever thought anyone would say that about me.
Also that same person said I was blessed. I had to say, to he/she that I cannot say that I am not. Yet, that is off the point. I just need a break today, and right now.
You and and the whole Holiness Gang, is now my break.
I love you all personally,
...Katerina., He, They and all the holy ones, including **** and *******.

"That person can see us angels, in his own way. He saw who you really are. And he is right."

This might go to a girls head ******** I will try and not let it. Yet, it is really what I want to offer to all of you, some beauty to make your life easier. Some love. Some femininity. Some wonderment of God, maybe lost from He and put in me, but still always it came from He. I just don't know how to handle my thanks.
Yes, I know where beauty comes from. I expect I know what I will see when I see Him. I have read the book. I am told there, no one and no things are more beautiful than He is.

Aww! that's sweet
That is enough out of you Alex!!!!

I told him, that angel through his guardian, the one he is charged with by Jesus to keep alive and to protect, for several years now, that a problem was created. I said it this way:
Also, someone freaked, at being called a guy by ******** online. I suggested to them that no one has a gender in heaven, and he just picked from the words I used, which was he/she for her, and I did not know the gender of the person then who called me beautiful, and blessed.

Although that is poorly said, as you B...... did not freak out, it got the point across that I was looking for an answer to. His, the guardian angel's response was this:
"You're right. In Heaven, one doesen't has a gender in the way humans have on earth. Calling he or she to someone is meaning-less as gender is irelevant."

Now, for all of us, that guardian angel, is not a right of mine. I am in fear everytime I say anything. He is not my encyclopedia of all things God and all things angel. He/she/no-gender (as was said to me), is not one I can trifle with at all. I am astounded really, but learn things. For instance this whole gender thing and earlier this whole no marriage nor being given in marriage thing, I didn' t understand. Now, I understand much of the 'no giving in marriage and no marriage thing in heaven." Yet, this is on gender, and I did not understand that, and maybe needed to.
I think I do now. B....... do you think you know why you were called he now. I am still a little confused over this as he also said to me in some fashion, our gender is the gender of our soul, and mine is definitely female, even though in my earlier years, I would have fought that. Even now some of the time, I wonder. Others don't who know me. It is I who wonder some of the time.
In real life, and this is that, primarily when I am in combat mode, either professionaly with weapons, or with words, and working with bad guys, sometimes I have come away from that, feeling totally MALE. It doesn't last long, but in one case everyone had to calm me down, and they did. I was so very happy to be who I am again then. It is just that sometimes, I feel like the ones I am fighting, in the real world, and most of those are males.
LOVE and love,
...Katerina.,

And this is the answer I was given by the human, the angel is charged with protecting and keeping alive:
******** apolagizes. He's got some issues on the gender thing as on Heaven, one has the gender of his soul.
LOVE and love,
...Katerina., (I am who I say I am.), .., ..... .

Also, I hate one part of the whole female body/response. I have been sick to my stomache all morning. I have done everything to make it stop. Nothing worked. Then a few minutes after responding with all thier inputs, the pain stopped.
Also notice, how the boy talks and types. American is a very much fourth language for him, and he has to put the angels words and his own words to all of us now, in his best American, thus although I always totally know what he means and what word he meant to use in America, some of you may not.
I would like permitions from all of you to now, take those conversations back to where I think they should be with them. Again, I did not think ever I would reveal this much of my interior and holiness life, to anyone ever. Maybe this was all supposed to happen this way.
LOVE and love,
...Katerina.,

 

[Imagican]

You can't worship things "as" things. If we could, we could "worship a rock as a rock," for example, and not be idolaters. Have fun explaining THAT to God one Day.

Also, the Arians would have ended up being just as murderous a group as the RCC, had they gained the upper hand in the end. Or so my reading of this part of history suggests to me. So are we to conclude that unitarianism is evil? Hardly, I hope. It might be self-deceptive (God-is-only-the-Father people, including you, Imagician, still act like Jesus is God), but it's not the end of the world.

Lastly, for God, all things are possible, didn't you know? So couldn't He make it so that He both can and cannot die? (I know what you'll say: that's gibberish! Language doesn't mean anything without logic! As if you knew also that logic depends on non-contradiction, as if non-contradiction was the meaning of the word "not.")

Yep, that's GIBBERISH. As far as MY opinion is concerned. Either God IS God or He is not. And in order to BE God, He MUST be who He SAYS He IS. And one of the attributes of GOD is that He cannot DIE. So that means that the Son CANNOT BE God. Doesn't take 'rocket science' to figure that one out. It just doesn't AGREE with what you WANT to believe.

You have already ADMITTED that you DO NOT believe in the Bible. Yet you choose to TOY with scripture as if it is merely a bunch of SENTENCES you can manipulate in any manner that FITS what you want to believe. If you don't believe in the Bible, WHY would you QUOTE 'scripture'?

But the answer is OBVIOUS: you ONLY quote the SENTENCES that FIT what you choose to believe. The one's that you can manipulate and MAKE then FIT.

When scripture offers that God can do ALL things. That is NOT a statement that He can DO 'anything' that would cause Him to CEASE to be GOD. Otherwise He is not God to begin with. That's the manner in which SATAN operates. He IS the 'Father of LIES' and therefore the "Father of DECEPTION". It is DECEPTION to even indicate that the scripture offers in any LITERAL sense that God can DO 'all things'. If that's true, then He could BE a 'murderer'. A rapist. A LIAR. ALL those "things" that we SEE in the DECEIVER.

So maybe that's the ANSWER to the question of HOW you are able to SEE things COMPLETELY different than myself. Perhaps we are speaking of TWO DIFFERENT 'Gods'. You SAY that Satan is NOT the 'god of this world'. I KNOW that he IS. One of us is COMPLETELY WRONG. I believe that you have proven YOURSELF over and over. You DO NOT believe in the SAME GOD that I DO. If we DID believe in the SAME God, we would have the SAME BELIEFS in that GOD. Since our beliefs are practically the OPPOSITE, the obvious answer is that we are NOT speaking of the SAME God. I defend the God revealed in the Bible. You say you don't BELIEVE in the Bible. So that ought to be ENOUGH for ANYONE to clearly see the TRUTH.

I hope that you really understood what you were attempting to say. I don't have a CLUE. I THINK you were accusing me of ACTING like Jesus is God. If so, you are more foolish than I thought you were. If not, then I have NO IDEA what you are talking about.

And I will agree PARTLY with what you offered concerning the possibility of the RCC STILL torturing and murdering people even if the decision had been made CONTRARY to 'trinity'. For the formation of the RCC wasn't the TRUE 'Body' of Christ. Simply a religion of their own design. So if their intent had been murderous to begin with, 'trinity' or NO 'trinity' wouldn't have altered it.

And here is my response to your last paragraph of 'gibberish':

Language means NOTHING if one tries to read a STORY one line at a time. They will NEVER understand the MESSAGE, (if there is one). Just a bunch of lines of WORDS.

The Bible EXPLAINS to us that we are to compare EACH line to ALL others in order to come to the TRUTH. And in order to FORM doctrine, the ENTIRE body of the Bible MUST be examined FIRST in order to KNOW whether it is in AGREEMENT with the Word or opposed to it. Or, in some cases, NON EXISTENT to begin with.

You are trying to discuss this issue with someone that is TRYING their best to keep things simple enough for a CHILD to understand. But it seems that MOST of what I have offered is either NOT being comprehended, or DENIED for some other reason.

I'll offer this in closing in the HOPES that it makes more sense when explained in it's simplest terms:

MY God CANNOT 'do all things'. The God that I profess to KNOW and LOVE and FOLLOW cannot LIE, cannot steal, cannot cheat, cannot DIE, cannot commit adultery, cannot fornicate, cannot rape, rob or plunder, cannot NOT be GOD.

So maybe you DO worship a God that CAN do 'all things'. And maybe that is why neither of us can come to agreement of exactly WHO or WHAT God IS. For IF your God can do ANY of the things I listed above, he is NOT the SAME God I'm talking about.

And it is MY understanding from READING the Word, revelation, and conviction of the Holy Spirit, there is ONLY ONE god that CAN do 'ALL things' as you have indicated: Satan. The God that I profess to KNOW and LOVE can ONLY do ALL things that pertain to BEING God. And the God I speak of is NOT 'the god of this world'.

You have mistaken me for someone that you are capable of TOYING with. You can't. You only fool yourself when you begin to THINK that I am here just typing USELESS words. There is POWER in the things that I say and anyone that has an INKLING of the truth within their hearts can FEEL it, actually KNOW it. The Spirit RECOGNIZES The Spirit. So if my words sound hollow or uninspired, I would offer that it's not because they ARE, it's because of an inability to HEAR what I'm saying. Or maybe even an outright OFFENSE to what I offer. I know where such influence STEMS from. Satan hates the TRUTH almost as much as He hates God's Son.

Blessings,

MEC

 

[TheBarrd]

Pro 16:18 Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.


Pro 16:25 There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

Pro_29:23 A man's pride shall bring him low: but honour shall uphold the humble in spirit.

Pro_11:2When pride cometh, then cometh shame: but with the lowly is wisdom.


Pro_13:10 Only by pride cometh contention: but with the well advised is wisdom.

 

[Imagican]

And this is the answer I was given by the human, the angel is charged with protecting and keeping alive:
******** apolagizes. He's got some issues on the gender thing as on Heaven, one has the gender of his soul.
LOVE and love,
...Katerina., (I am who I say I am.), .., ..... .

Also, I hate one part of the whole female body/response. I have been sick to my stomache all morning. I have done everything to make it stop. Nothing worked. Then a few minutes after responding with all thier inputs, the pain stopped.
Also notice, how the boy talks and types. American is a very much fourth language for him, and he has to put the angels words and his own words to all of us now, in his best American, thus although I always totally know what he means and what word he meant to use in America, some of you may not.
I would like permitions from all of you to now, take those conversations back to where I think they should be with them. Again, I did not think ever I would reveal this much of my interior and holiness life, to anyone ever. Maybe this was all supposed to happen this way.
LOVE and love,
...Katerina.,

Not trying to be 'silly', but does ANYONE have a CLUE as to what this person is talking about? If so, do me a favor and explain it to ME, SLOWLY. For I am completely LOST.

If she has revealed ANYTHING it is a need for 'something'. I don't know that I have what she NEEDS. I'm not an exorcist nor am I a physician. Just a simple man with simple understanding.

Let's start with WHO is the 'boy' to whom "American" is a FORTH language? Somehow I missed that.

And this line:

I would like permitions from all of you to now, take those conversations back to where I think they should be with them.

What in the WORLD does this MEAN? Am I the ONLY one confused here?

I will offer this: If that post doesn't SHOW those with EYES to SEE where this person is coming from, I don't know what I could offer that could possibly change your perception.

If, "I am who I say I am" really means anything concerning this post, I am REALLY confused as to WHO you are. I thought for a moment that I had a pretty good idea, but now you have confused me beyond confusion.

But I will say this: I have confronted DEMONS before. And when they are PUSHED for their NAME, they will often react like malfunctioning computers in Sci Fi movies. They start rambling and offering incoherent statements that have absolutely NOTHING to do with what's going on. And I have actually WITNESSED demons QUIT. Relinquish control over their host. And you can actually SEE IT. It's like one minute the demon is aggressive and over confident and then.....BAM, a look of confusion comes over the host and often they don't even REMEMBER the conversation. It's like, "POOF, what happened? What were we talking about?" And when attempt is made to explain it to them they either ACT like they don't remember or truly DON'T.

While I haven't agreed with practically ANYTHING this person has offered in previous posts, at least some of what was stated MADE SENSE. But this last bit of rambling.....................Oh my. Like I said, if anyone else 'gets it', please explain it to me, you know, like SLOOOOWLY. I am a SIMPLE man.

Blessings,

MEC

 

[TheBarrd]

"And Thomas answered and said unto him [JESUS], My Lord and MY GOD."--John 20:28"For unto us A CHILD IS BORN, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, THE MIGHTY GOD, THE EVERLASTING FATHER, The Prince of Peace."--Isaiah 9:6 -"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and THE WORD WAS GOD. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH, AND DWELT AMONG US, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."--John 1:1-4, 14 "Philip saith unto him, 'Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.' Jesus saith unto him, 'Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me Philip? HE THAT HATH SEEN ME HATH SEEN THE FATHER; and how sayest thou then, 'Shew us the Father?''"-- John 14:8-9 ...CHRIST, who is the IMAGE OF GOD..."--II Corinthians 4:4 "...glory of GOD in the FACE OF JESUS CHRIST."--II Corinthians 4:6 "GOD...hath in these last days spoken unto us by his SON...who being the brightness of his glory, and the EXPRESS IMAGE OF HIS PERSON..."--Hebrews 1:1-3 Colossians 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: 1:15 WHO IS THE IMAGE OF THE INVISIBLE GOD, the firstborn* of every creature: 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. 1:19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; *firstborn: pre-eminence in rank more than to priority in time. This can be shown in passages where the term 'firstborn' is used of the pre-eminent son who was not the eldest, e.g. Psalm 89:27, where David is called 'firstborn' although he was actually the youngest son. "For in [Jesus] dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily." -- Colossians 2:9 ..they shall call his name EMMANUEL, which being interpreted is, GOD WITH US."--Matthew 1:23 "The voice of him [John the Baptist] that crieth in the wilderness, PREPARE ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway FOR OUR GOD." -- Isaiah 40:3 THESE PEOPLE DID NOT UNDERSTAND THAT JESUS WAS GOD AND THOUGHT HE BLASPHEMED WHEN HE TOLD THE TRUTH."The Jews answered [Jesus], saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God."

 

[Imagican]

Pro 16:18 Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.


Pro 16:25 There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

Pro_29:23 A man's pride shall bring him low: but honour shall uphold the humble in spirit.

Pro_11:2When pride cometh, then cometh shame: but with the lowly is wisdom.


Pro_13:10 Only by pride cometh contention: but with the well advised is wisdom.

Oh my. Is that the 'best you got'? Surely you can do better? The ONLY negative thing you see in my words is PRIDE? Be HONEST now........???

And you don't see PRIDE as the inspiration for your offering? It is YOUR pride that has made it possible for you to continue your personal attacks. And THAT IS 'false pride'. For when you make an effort to DO that which you KNOW is unseemly, and then DO IT ANYWAY, that is not only 'false pride' but vanity caused by a 'stiff neck' as well.

You don't LIKE men 'speaking to you' very much do you? Tired of the perception that men are ALWAYS trying to 'put you in your place'? I'm truly sorry. I'm not a woman so I can ONLY guess at how that must FEEL. But I DO know what it feels like when a woman tries to usurp the authority of a MAN.

You have chosen to confuse AUTHORITY with PRIDE. And I guess you THINK that you can use God's Word to alter the TRUTH? That is a sign of utter confusion.


So long as what I offer is the TRUTH, it is NOT a matter of PRIDE. Certainly not FALSE pride which is what the scripture is TRULY speaking of. I am PROUD to KNOW God and PROUD to know His Son. And proud to be a fool in defending them BOTH. I can assure you, it is not the 'false pride' being referred to in the scripture you posted.


I once read a bumper sticker that went something like this:


"I refuse to join an unarmed man in a battle of wits". Oft times I wonder if that isn't the proper course of action. But first, you are NOT a 'man', and second you are obviously the one that desires this 'battle' for you continue your attempts to wage it.



The Bible tells us that if we try to offer the TRUTH to others and they refuse to listen, we should wipe our feet at the door and be on our way. While this is certainly the WISE approach in many instances, I am NOT in YOUR house. I'm in mine. And so long as you wish to make an effort to PROVE yourself to others, I'm more than willing to lend you a helping hand.


Allow me to ask you this: in order to love you, am I suppose to only say that which makes YOU happy? Only say that which you WISH to hear? And if you STUMBLE over the TRUTH, does that make ME the CAUSE of your stumbling simply by offering it? I AM my brother's keeper. But does that mean I MUST be an enabler?


Or, through the very love we are instructed to share, should I INSIST upon the TRUTH whether you LIKE it or NOT? You tell me.



Blessings,

MEC

 

[TheBarrd]

This is just a small sample...

 

[katerinah1947]

Pro 16:18 Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.


Pro 16:25 There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

Pro_29:23 A man's pride shall bring him low: but honour shall uphold the humble in spirit.

Pro_11:2When pride cometh, then cometh shame: but with the lowly is wisdom.


Pro_13:10 Only by pride cometh contention: but with the well advised is wisdom.

Hi,
Wow!
LOVE and love,
...Katerina.,
I will respond again to one of your posts, if I can find my reference. In words it is this: Arrogance
(And no. I am not saying either of those other two are arrogant yet. I don't acutally know, yet. If you do fine, and I do see where they give off all the clues and symptoms of that, but I was told it is something else.)
comes from bad parents, and it is not fixable. The meaning of that is, it is not fixable on earth. I am sure God has a long term way fixing that. Similaryly after finding that Biblical reference for a person I was working with who was totaly arrogant
(Again I cannot say that yet for me. I cannot, as I don't actually know yet.... but I see why you say that, and you may actually be more correct than I am, but I must wait and be certain. I must.),
later I was able to find out he is a textbook Narcissist. I mean the psychological definition, the psychiatric definition. Not so amazingly, what the professionals all tell us of that condition, is they are unfixable. No one to date, has ever been able to cure a Narcissist, or any one of other 5 groups of items all categorized by no remorse, do to a biological mechanism, which is even seen later in the brains of those with that condition, and it is a comfort to me, that althogh said in a different way, they totally agree with what God Really, said in the Bible about that condition.
Yet, so far, He is not a typical Narcissist. He is not. I have met others on line here, who are definite, and by the professional definition, Narcissists, but the two here who have violated enough ground rules that I can no longer converse with them vary so far, from the general category professionally categorized by no remorse.
It is though possible, that your pride statements are true. It is possible that he merely thinks that he cannot be wrong. It is possible that he thinks he knows so much about God, Biblically and in using his other resources, that he truly has all the answers about God.
If that is the case, he is to be loved. He is not to be angered, directly by me, to the greatest extent I can do that, without violating my first responsibilities, to him.
That may be impossible to not anger him, as he seems to reword everything into his world of thoughts and feelings, not knowing maybe, that there is more, so much more in the way of thoughts and feelings that is out there. (To use a slang term)
Now, I fear I have upset him greatly. Yet, I don't know how to get around that with him yet.
This was for you, B......, I just wanted to say you may be right, but it is still possible you and I are dealing with something other than unfixable things.
LOVE and love,
...Katerina., .... .