Really? Trinity?

[2ducklow]

Now I have to apologize to an angel of God, no you cannot have the name of him. While I was first conversing with you, he contacted me, as I happened to have shown him what I wrote to you. He told me essentially to halt and desist, as he said the person who you are talking to does not have the capacity to understand God.

well this tells me either that a demon is speaking to you or you are just calling your own thoughts an angel. the bible says to try the spirits, and I've tried what you say your spirit said to you and my conclusion is that it isn't an angel of God because it is denying that Jesus came in the flesh by claiming that Jesus is part of some God trinity.

I didn't listen to him. I thought I had to be kind, delicate and understanding. I was and am that. Yet again, I will apologize to that angel. Twice before, he has angered me, because I thought He was wrong. I thought I knew more than he did on two subjects. I didn't. I did apogize. Now, I will do that again. I dont' know why he puts up with me, and he is not my guardian angel even. He is someone elses, an archangel no less.
I forget his words exactly, but it is that you do not have the capacity to understand, and I am to not try to make you understand.

that proves to me it's not an angel of God because I have the capacity to understand. God wouldn't tell me in his word to get understanding if I couldn't get it. So your spirit is violating the word of God.

I violated that. The results are you still don't understand, I have hurt him and now I feel horrible. Also, you know now, of that conversation. Why didn't you just let it be? Why didn't I just let you be you?
I am sorry to everyone now. I am.
...Katerina.,

well you cleared it up for me, you've got some spirit speaking to you telling you lies. Actually, I think it's more likely that no spirit spoke to you, it's more likely that it's just your own thoughts answering your own questions. Cause you seem like a nice lady.

 

[katerinah1947]

well this tells me either that a demon is speaking to you or you are just calling your own thoughts an angel. the bible says to try the spirits, and I've tried what you say your spirit said to you and my conclusion is that it isn't an angel of God because it is denying that Jesus came in the flesh by claiming that Jesus is part of some God trinity.
that proves to me it's not an angel of God because I have the capacity to understand. God wouldn't tell me in his word to get understanding if I couldn't get it. So your spirit is violating the word of God.

well you cleared it up for me, you've got some spirit speaking to you telling you lies. Actually, I think it's more likely that no spirit spoke to you, it's more likely that it's just your own thoughts answering your own questions. Cause you seem like a nice lady.

Yes,
I have bee called by many people nice. It is a command of God to be that way.
You are very much a hurt to me. You hurt. Thus the Bible you hopefully know well, says you are not a fig in God's eyes, as figs don't hurt when people get around them. They are found on fig trees, whose bark is very smooth.
Look that up. It is Matthew 7:16. It also talks about women like you. They are called grapes there. Likewise grapes, nice women who know a lot about God, are never found on thorn bushes. Meaning they are not hurtful in words or actions.
The passage above that, now applies to you. It is Matthew 7:15. Good bye, and I wish to talk to people, who are figs and grapes, in the making or already mature. You are a wolf is sheeps clothing, according to Scripture. You are, as you hurt, when people get around you. You hurt.

 

[katerinah1947]

"The Lord showed himself to that one in that form for He intends to be worshipped by that one in that exact form. Just as He sometimes wishes Alex to follow the ways of this or that people. All religions worship Him in this or that form, and most of them embody both The Father, The Son and the Holy Spirit in one entity alone. If that one cannot understand this, then try not to make him understand, for he is unable to understand and his compreention is limited."

. The email, from overseas.

The one speaking in parentheses, is the one someone here, is calling an evil demon, or an imagination. However, he is an angel of God. Now say what you wish, about an angel of God, yet other than saying that you have no way of telling, one way or another, please remember to at least have some fear of God, because: That might actually be, an angel of God.

I shared an email with a man I know of in Europe, he did not respond, instead he typed what his guardian angel said to tell me, which is extremely unusual, yet important to me when and if it happens.

I first interfaced with that angel, in this way, months ago while helping a young man recover from exceptional physical and mental abuse. Some of what happened to him, I am being subjected to here. However unlike him, I can still walk away, while for him, his own family was at the source of some to most of that abuse, his own grandmother having been killed purposefully, by his own grandfather, and successfully covering it up so far, in that non-american country.

The man I have finished helping, is in software testing, which does not allow for hallucnations, or imaginations, as someone here tries to say is true. Those kinds of traits would not allow one to do that job.

One day, I am told things, eventually, I found out the circumstances under which Jesus Christ assigned that helper in that way to that man. Again you are all to doubt and not believe this, as that is a requirement.

The imaginations and other such remarks made about me here, all have this kind of documentation. I even have papers proving that I am sane from a psychologist. I have that, for a medical condition, but I also have that from false accusations like have been made even here by detractors. You see I have spent years and years working with crooks, alcoholics, drug addicts, street people, narcissists, and one full blown sociopath. They all use statements like mental illness to deflect the concentration away from them, when they have been caught in any inapproprate act. That paperwork, even in spiritual matters, allows me to show that, if need be, as part of that full psychiatric exam for that medical condition, not included in my experiences stated here. To which they mean this spiritually:"Katie. Kate. Katerina! Yes, we all know that you think life would be easier on you, if you were mentally ill. You are not. You are real. Look! Can all of us be wrong? Can all of us be wrong? You are no form of mentally ill. We do this for a living. We have corroborations. We have even seen this in others like you. Can all us be wrong now. You are real. You are a medical mystic. You also take orders and listen to what Gid tells you to do. We are giving you paperwork to protect you. All people like you are hurt, by normal people. Goodbye!"
...Katerina., et. Al., and et. al.

 

[2ducklow]

Yes,
I have bee called by many people nice. It is a command of God to be that way.
You are very much a hurt to me. You hurt. Thus the Bible you hopefully know well, says you are not a fig in God's eyes, as figs don't hurt when people get around them. They are found on fig trees, whose bark is very smooth.
Look that up. It is Matthew 7:16. It also talks about women like you. They are called grapes there. Likewise grapes, nice women who know a lot about God, are never found on thorn bushes. Meaning they are not hurtful in words or actions.
The passage above that, now applies to you. It is Matthew 7:15. Good bye, and I wish to talk to people, who are figs and grapes, in the making or already mature. You are a wolf is sheeps clothing, according to Scripture. You are, as you hurt, when people get around you. You hurt.

You were hurt by the truth, not by me.

 

[Viren]

1 cor. 8.6. My proof is scripture.

1 Corinthian 8:6 states

"yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live."

Now compare that to Romans 11:36

Oh, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and knowledge of God!
How unsearchable his judgments,
and his paths beyond tracing out!
“Who has known the mind of the Lord?
Or who has been his counselor?”[j]
“Who has ever given to God,
that God should repay them?”[k]
For from him and through him and for him are all things.
To him be the glory forever! Amen

Romans 11:36 only mentions God and says through him are all things. Yet your verse declares that all things came through Jesus.

 

[2ducklow]

1 Corinthian 8:6 states

"yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live."

Now compare that to Romans 11:36

Oh, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and knowledge of God!
How unsearchable his judgments,
and his paths beyond tracing out!
“Who has known the mind of the Lord?
Or who has been his counselor?”[j]
“Who has ever given to God,
that God should repay them?”[k]
For from him and through him and for him are all things.
To him be the glory forever! Amen

Romans 11:36 only mentions God and says through him are all things. Yet your verse declares that all things came through Jesus.

You take the second part of the verse to contradict the first part of the verse that says that there is but one God.

All things came frpm God the Father because he created everything. All things are created through, for, in and unto Christ because Jesus is the reason God created everything that he created.

 

[Imagican]

What we are instructed to understand THROUGH the Bible is this:

ALL things, PERIOD, are OF God.

All things pertaining to MANKIND are OF God AND The Son.

For the Bible explains to us that The Son was 'created' BY The Father: God.

Unfortunately for many, their belief in 'trinity' DENIES what we are offered in the Bible. For to believe in 'trinity' is to believe that Christ has ALWAYS existed. Yet the Bible TELLS us that Christ was "CREATED" by God, His Father.

You have to twist scripture pretty hard to turn what it offers into something that AGREES with a 'Christ' that has 'always been'. For there are scripture that outright STATE that Christ was 'created' by God, His Father.

The Father: God, is NOT 'of Christ'. Christ is OF the Father: God. God is THE God of Christ as well as Our God. Christ is the SON of God. A son cannot exist BEFORE a Father. A Son comes FROM a Father and AFTER.

So it's clear simply by announcing Himself as the Son of God that He was 'created' BY God. By stating that God is HIS FATHER, these words ALONE testify to the FACT that a Son comes FROM a Father. They are NOT the SAME AGE. They can't be.

So not only does 'trinity's' one plus one plus one equals ONE make absolutely NO SENSE. So too is the idea that a Father and Son are of the SAME ESSENCE and SAME AGE, (eternal going BACK in time), is JUST as inane. Especially when one takes away what MEN have created in 'trinity' and simply accepts what is offered in the Bible.

I ask anyone following this that believes in 'trinity' to answer THIS QUESTION:

In Genesis, when it offers that God said, "let there be light". What is being referenced? What "LIGHT" was being 'created'?

For you see, the same 'church' that would teach you 'trinity' is forced to IGNORE the answer to this question. As far as THEY are concerned, there IS NO question. For there is NO ANSWER according to ALL those 'churches' that have accepted and perpetuate the idea or doctrine of 'trinity'.

Yet I am POINTING out the QUESTION and let's SEE if there is a SINGLE 'trinitarian' that will ATTEMPT to answer it.

Here is the EXACT scripture:

Genesis 1 (KJV) 1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.


And isn't it absolutely AMAZING, those that translated the Bible BELIEVED in 'trinity'. Believed in it SO MUCH that they were willing to capitalize the W in 'word' as offered in John 1. But that SAME belief in 'trinity' caused them to be BLIND when it came to His very 'creation'.



It's little different than the concept of demons. If one is living in a state of denial: "Demons DO NOT EXIST". They have absolutely NO DEFENSE against the wiles of the Devil. Doesn't matter what one SAYS, if they are in denial of the enemy, then the enemy has probably, MOST LIKELY, (in my opinion there is NO DOUBT), already DEFEATED the individual in influencing them to follow LIES instead of the TRUTH.


It is the SAME with 'trinity'. Once one is indoctrinated into this fallacy, they are then BLINDED to the TRUTH. By accepting this 'man made doctrine', they are FORCED to read and accept scripture ACCORDING to the doctrine. And like those that incapable of defending themselves against demons by their very DENIAL of demons, so too are those that accept 'trinity' immediately kept from understanding what the Bible TRULY offers.


I'll be waiting for the answer................


Blessings,


MEC

 

[Viren]

You take the second part of the verse to contradict the first part of the verse that says that there is but one God.

All things came frpm God the Father because he created everything. All things are created through, for, in and unto Christ because Jesus is the reason God created everything that he created.

The scriptures don't contradict. You're confusing personalities for being. YHWH means eternal being. Just because there are different personalities doesn't mean there are separate beings. Otherwise, God the Father becomes the biggest God, Jesus is the smaller god and the sons of god are a multitude of other gods and we're back to polytheism.

Jesus Christ is YHWH in human form in the act of saving his people.

The name Jesus or Yeshua means YHWH saves. Ye is short for YHWH and shua means saves. So even the name itself confirms this.

 

[2ducklow]

The scriptures don't contradict. You're confusing personalities for being. YHWH means eternal being. Just because there are different personalities doesn't mean there are separate beings. Otherwise, God the Father becomes the biggest God, Jesus is the smaller god and the sons of god are a multitude of other gods and we're back to polytheism.

you call god the father a personality and not a being.. the bible calls God the Father the one and only true God. john 17.3 and 1 cor. 8.6.

1 cor.. 8.6 doesn't say there is but one personality, God the Father. you don't even say that, you say there are 3 personalities of which God the Father is only one. God is not a personality, God is a spirit. God is not 3 personalities, he is a spirit.

Jesus Christ is YHWH in human form in the act of saving his people.

The name Jesus or Yeshua means YHWH saves. Ye is short for YHWH and shua means saves. So even the name itself confirms this.

God is not a man.

can you say what the bible says?
yet for us there is but one God, the Father

I can say it..

Yet for me there is but one God, the Father.

try saying it and then see if calling god the Father one of 3 personalities of God works. It doesn't work for me.


I'm afraid that what you have to say is "but yet for us there are 3 personalities, God the Father, God the Son, and God the holy spirit that are one God.

that's quite different than "yet for us there is but one God, the Father'. Which is why you probably can't say "yet for us there is but one God, the Father.".

I haven't seen one person who believes that Jesus is God who can say "Yet for us there is but one God, the Father." All Ive seen is a total avoidance of it.

 

[katerinah1947]

by Matt Slick

Following are verses used to show that Jesus is God in flesh. The scriptures used here are from the New American Standard Bible.

John 1:1, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
John 1:14, "And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth."
John 5:18, "For this cause therefore the Jews were seeking all the more to kill Him, because He not only was breaking the Sabbath, but also was calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God."
John 8:24, "I said therefore to you, that you shall die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am He, you shall die in your sins."
Note: In the Greek, "He" is not there.
John 8:58, "Jesus said to them, 'Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.'"
Exodus 3:14, "And God said to Moses, 'I AM WHO I AM'; and He said, Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’"
John 10:30-33, "I and the Father are one." 31 The Jews took up stones again to stone Him. 32 Jesus answered them, "I showed you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you stoning Me?" 33 The Jews answered Him, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God."
John 20:28, "Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!"
Col. 2:9, "For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form."
Phil. 2:5-8, "Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. 9 Therefore also God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, 10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those who are in heaven, and on earth, and under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."
Heb. 1:8, "But of the Son He says, "Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever, and the righteous scepter is the scepter of His kingdom."
Quoted from Psalm 45:6, "Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever; a scepter of uprightness is the scepter of Thy kingdom."

 

[katerinah1947]

Jesus is worshipped, Jesus said to worship God only, yet He receives worship.
Matt. 4:10, "Then Jesus said to him, 'Begone, Satan! For it is written, "You shall worship the Lord your God, and serve Him only."’"
Matt. 2:2, "Where is He who has been born King of the Jews? For we saw His star in the east, and have come to worship Him."
Matt. 2:11, "And they came into the house and saw the Child with Mary His mother; and they fell down and worshiped Him; and opening their treasures they presented to Him gifts of gold and frankincense and myrrh."
Matt. 14:33, "And those who were in the boat worshiped Him, saying, "You are certainly God’s Son!"
Matt. 28:9, "And behold, Jesus met them and greeted them. And they came up and took hold of His feet and worshiped Him."
John 9:35-38, "Jesus heard that they had put him out; and finding him, He said, "Do you believe in the Son of Man?" 36 He answered and said, "And who is He, Lord, that I may believe in Him?" 37 Jesus said to him, "You have both seen Him, and He is the one who is talking with you." 38 And he said, "Lord, I believe." And he worshiped Him."
Heb. 1:6, "And when He again brings the first-born into the world, He says, 'And let all the angels of God worship Him.'"

 

[katerinah1947]

Jesus is prayed to
Acts 7:55-60, "But being full of the Holy Spirit, he gazed intently into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God; 56 and he said, "Behold, I see the heavens opened up and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God." 57 But they cried out with a loud voice, and covered their ears, and they rushed upon him with one impulse. 58 And when they had driven him out of the city, they began stoning him, and the witnesses laid aside their robes at the feet of a young man named Saul. 59 And they went on stoning Stephen as he called upon the Lord and said, "Lord Jesus, receive my spirit!" 60 And falling on his knees, he cried out with a loud voice, "Lord, do not hold this sin against them!" And having said this, he fell asleep."
1 Cor. 1:1-2, "Paul, called as an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother, 2 to the church of God which is at Corinth, to those who have been sanctified in Christ Jesus, saints by calling, with all who in every place call upon the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, their Lord and ours." (The phrase, "to call upon the name of the Lord" is a phrase used to designate prayer).
1 Kings 18:24, "Then you call on the name of your god, and I will call on the name of the Lord, and the God who answers by fire, He is God." And all the people answered and said, "That is a good idea."
Zech. 13:9, "And I will bring the third part through the fire, refine them as silver is refined, and test them as gold is tested. They will call on My name, and I will answer them; I will say, ‘They are My people,’ and they will say, ‘The Lord is my God.’"
Rom. 10:13-14, "for 'whoever will call upon the name of the Lord' will be saved." 14 How then shall they call upon Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him whom they have not heard?" (Paul is speaking of calling upon Jesus. (The phrase "Call upon the name of the Lord" is a quote from Joel 2:32).
Joel 2:32, "And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call." (LORD here is YHWH, the name of God as revealed in Exodus 3:14. Therefore, this quote, dealing with God Himself is attributed to Jesus).

 

[katerinah1947]

The Personality & Deity of the Holy Spirit proven from the Bible!

 

[katerinah1947]

29. Of the Distinct Personality, and Deity of the Father.

 

[katerinah1947]

Deity of Jesus - Theopedia, an encyclopedia of Biblical Christianity

 

[katerinah1947]

ANGELS - The truth about angelic beings (What does the Bible really teach about angels?) ? ChristianAnswers.Net

 

[katerinah1947]

Religions started by Angels

 

[Viren]

oops double post

 

[Viren]

you call god the father a personality and not a being.. the bible calls God the Father the one and only true God. john 17.3 and 1 cor. 8.6.

1 cor.. 8.6 doesn't say there is but one personality, God the Father. you don't even say that, you say there are 3 personalities of which God the Father is only one. God is not a personality, God is a spirit. God is not 3 personalities, he is a spirit.
God is not a man.

can you say what the bible says?
yet for us there is but one God, the Father

I can say it..

Yet for me there is but one God, the Father.

try saying it and then see if calling god the Father one of 3 personalities of God works. It doesn't work for me.


I'm afraid that what you have to say is "but yet for us there are 3 personalities, God the Father, God the Son, and God the holy spirit that are one God.

that's quite different than "yet for us there is but one God, the Father'. Which is why you probably can't say "yet for us there is but one God, the Father.".

I haven't seen one person who believes that Jesus is God who can say "Yet for us there is but one God, the Father." All Ive seen is a total avoidance of it.

I can say there is only one true God the Father who is Spirit and Jesus Christ,
the son of God who is born of that same Spirit and the Holy Spirit in Christians which is of that same Spirit all united into one.

You seem to deny the divinity of Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit.

 

[2ducklow]

I can say there is only one true God the Father who is Spirit and Jesus Christ,
the son of God who is born of that same Spirit and the Holy Spirit in Christians which is of that same Spirit all united into one.

you say God the father is the one true God, then you make a list of everyone who is God, and to you it's like 'what's the problem?"

I don't think it's possible to get through to anyone on this point.

You seem to deny the divinity of Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit.

and by saying that Jesus is born of god's spirit you are denying that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. Of course you admit that Jesus is come in the flesh. You just don't realize that you have contradicted yourself.

Jesus is the son of God, born of Mary's seed and Mary's egg. God created a seed in mary and used it to begat Jesus with. Thus Jesus is come in the flesh. you have spirit beggeting flesh, resulting in spirit, which is a big no no.

John 4:2 2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

John 4:3 3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

confessing that Jesus is come in the spirit is not of God. You say he is come in the spirit by saying he was born of the spirit.

2 John 1:7

7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.


confessing that Jesus is come in the spirit makes one a deceiver.


saying Jesus is come in the spirit is the spirit of the antichrist.

Jesus is come in the flesh, he is and was a man, Jesus did not come in the spirit. Jesus is a man right now.


1 Timothy 2:5 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

There is, not was, one God AND the man Christ Jesus.

You guys should be afraid of saying Jesus is come in the spirit, instead of being afraid of being called a non Christian by your fellow church members. I'd be afraid of what the bible says, not what Christians say if I were you.