Really scared about COVID vaccine

[John Helpher]

They won't let me come over until I take the vaccine because they don't want to be infected.

This is a reasonable concern. The question is whether a "certificate" will be required along with the vaccine (to prove that you did, indeed receive the medicine) and if that certificate will be implemented in the form of a microchip implant, which could in turn be used for other things like buying and selling.

There is no guarantee that there will be a certificate (but circumstances strongly indicate that some kind of proof of vaccination would be practical) or that the certificate will be a microchip implant; it could just be a bit of paper that you carry around with you, much like we do with driver's licenses or whatever. If that is the case then there should be no problem. Buuuuut, it could be an implant if that is the case then it represents a big problem.

I realize it may hurt to not be able to see your family again (whatever the circumstances behind that eventuality may be), but that's part of the cost of what it means to follow Jesus. It's not that God wants us to feel hurt by such things, but rather he wants us to understand that nothing, not even family, should be more important than personal integrity.

 

[John Helpher]

Another question: If you take the mark, is it too late to repent after?

In matthew 5 and 18 Jesus said, "If your hand offends you, cut it off". It is possible that this concept could apply to someone who takes the mark and then, before Jesus returns, realizes what a mistake it was to do so and literally has his hand cut-off to remove it. The fact that no hospital would be likely to perform such an unnecessary surgery and that you'd have to use the mark in order to pay for the surgery anyway indicates that you'd have to do it yourself, and literally cutting of your own hand would be very, very difficult to do. However, it is precisely because it is such a difficult choice that God may recognize such an action as a sign of genuine repentance and accept it.

But, there's no guarantee. It may be that even cutting off your own hand would not be enough to assuage God's anger at accepting the mark. The warning against it is very strong and very clear. The bottom line is that we should do everything we can to avoid it, which means preparing now, at least in attitude, for a time when we won't be able to buy or sell.

 

[Scann]

Another question: If you take the mark, is it too late to repent after? No one will come to Christ after taking the mark? You wouldn't be forgiven if you asked?

Nope. Revelation 14:9-11 (KJV) says;

9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever.....

No two ways about it. If you have to choose between living to eat food or getting beheaded, take the beheading! You don't need food if you are dead but considering that there is a good version of the afterlife later......

 

[Beachlover]

I’m very worried that Bill Gates’ vaccine is the mark of the Beast. You won’t be able to go back to work unless you take it. The lockdown won’t end until people take it. Thus, you can’t buy or sell. The whole world has this disease threat. Plus, it may have some nanoparticle hydrogel that dudes itself with your body, making you unable to take it out.
Once you have the mark, there is no redemption for you, correct? Where is the scripture to support this?
Here’s their pitch: no cure for this thing and the disease makes everyone safe.

Me too

 

[ZNP]

Another question: If you take the mark, is it too late to repent after? No one will come to Christ after taking the mark? You wouldn't be forgiven if you asked?

Matthew 5:11-12 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

 

[Beachlover]

In matthew 5 and 18 Jesus said, "If your hand offends you, cut it off". It is possible that this concept could apply to someone who takes the mark and then, before Jesus returns, realizes what a mistake it was to do so and literally has his hand cut-off to remove it. The fact that no hospital would be likely to perform such an unnecessary surgery and that you'd have to use the mark in order to pay for the surgery anyway indicates that you'd have to do it yourself, and literally cutting of your own hand would be very, very difficult to do. However, it is precisely because it is such a difficult choice that God may recognize such an action as a sign of genuine repentance and accept it.

But, there's no guarantee. It may be that even cutting off your own hand would not be enough to assuage God's anger at accepting the mark. The warning against it is very strong and very clear. The bottom line is that we should do everything we can to avoid it, which means preparing now, at least in attitude, for a time when we won't be able to buy or sell.

I'm just helpless. These freaks are gonna take all our money and tattoo our bodies for nothing but trash. I hate this.

 

[John Helpher]

I'm just helpless.

It's helpful to join with other Christians of like mind who can offer encouragement. Some very difficult times lie ahead for Christians around the world, but as others here have suggested (and as Jesus taught) we don't need to be frightened. Jesus and his disciples forsook all their stuff and shared all things in common, traveling around from place to place to encourage other people with the good news. In Acts 2 and 4 we see thousands of new disciples doing this, as well.

It's also helpful to get a vision for why Jesus taught what he did and why it's good to practice his teachings. A lot of us kinda have this idea that Christianity is more a state of mind which we feel about ourselves, but it's more than that; it is a way of life, something to be practiced and demonstrated in practical action.

For example, did you know Jesus said we should not make promises for any reason? He said we should not use special titles like father, Sir, and Mr (the words themselves are not the problem, but rather using them as a special title) and he said that when we have a problem with someone, we should go to that person first; if the problem cannot be resolved one-on-one then we should involve 2 or 3 witnesses. If the problem still cannot be resolved we should involve the whole church and if the problem still cannot be resolved after that, then the person whom the church deems to have the problem should be kicked out.

There's very few Christians today who practice these teachings but they are right there in the gospels. When we finally start practicing Jesus' teachings as though we believe he really meant what he said, then we'll have less fear about the future.

 

[Beachlover]

It's helpful to join with other Christians of like mind who can offer encouragement. Some very difficult times lie ahead for Christians around the world, but as others here have suggested (and as Jesus taught) we don't need to be frightened. Jesus and his disciples forsook all their stuff and shared all things in common, traveling around from place to place to encourage other people with the good news. In Acts 2 and 4 we see thousands of new disciples doing this, as well.

It's also helpful to get a vision for why Jesus taught what he did and why it's good to practice his teachings. A lot of us kinda have this idea that Christianity is more a state of mind which we feel about ourselves, but it's more than that; it is a way of life, something to be practiced and demonstrated in practical action.

For example, did you know Jesus said we should not make promises for any reason? He said we should not use special titles like father, Sir, and Mr (the words themselves are not the problem, but rather using them as a special title) and he said that when we have a problem with someone, we should go to that person first; if the problem cannot be resolved one-on-one then we should involve 2 or 3 witnesses. If the problem still cannot be resolved we should involve the whole church and if the problem still cannot be resolved after that, then the person whom the church deems to have the problem should be kicked out.

There's very few Christians today who practice these teachings but they are right there in the gospels. When we finally start practicing Jesus' teachings as though we believe he really meant what he said, then we'll have less fear about the future.

I don't understand "WHY" this is happening though

 

[Mountainmanbob]

I’m very worried that Bill Gates’ vaccine is the mark of the Beast. You won’t be able to go back to work unless you take it. The lockdown won’t end until people take it. Thus, you can’t buy or sell. The whole world has this disease threat. Plus, it may have some nanoparticle hydrogel that dudes itself with your body, making you unable to take it out.
Once you have the mark, there is no redemption for you, correct? Where is the scripture to support this?
Here’s their pitch: no cure for this thing and the disease makes everyone safe.

I think that the mark of the beast is well accepted by bad guys that care not for the Lord. They even brag at times about joining their friends in hell.

Don't worry, be happy
for we are not one of those.

M

 

[ZNP]

I'm just helpless. These freaks are gonna take all our money and tattoo our bodies for nothing but trash. I hate this.

They should be terrified of the Lord. That is their mistake. Fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. Hopefully this pandemic will wake them up in time to repent.

 

[Beachlover]

They should be terrified of the Lord. That is their mistake. Fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. Hopefully this pandemic will wake them up in time to repent.

Yeah but why are all the innocent people having to pay for it?

 

[John Helpher]

I think that the mark of the beast is well accepted by bad guys that care not for the Lord.

Sure, so professing Christians will take a microchip implant in their hand, without which they will not be able to buy or sell, on the presumption that despite its similarity to what the prophecy says about the mark, cannot be the actual mark because they are not bad guys?

 

[Mountainmanbob]

Yeah but why are all the innocent people having to pay for it?

One very important thing that
we all need to remember
we are all guilty
there are no innocent ones
well -- maybe babies for a short while?

Only Jesus can cover our many sins.

Some think they are good to go
on their own good works
that ain't how it works.

M

 

[Beachlover]

One very important thing that
we all need to remember
we are all guilty
there are no innocent ones
well -- maybe babies for a short while?

Only Jesus can cover our many sins.

Some thing they are good to go
on their own good works
that ain't how it works.

M

Yeah but still. Much more clean than those folks

 

[Mountainmanbob]

Yeah but still. Much more clean than those folks

Sorry but. I had to laugh a little for we don't get there being graded on the floating scale.
Although it seems most think that way.

I'm a little better than three of my neighbors.
If anybody -- I'm good to go.

Clean with just a small amount of dirt.

M

 

[fewme]

I’m very worried that Bill Gates’ vaccine is the mark of the Beast. You won’t be able to go back to work unless you take it. The lockdown won’t end until people take it. Thus, you can’t buy or sell. The whole world has this disease threat. Plus, it may have some nanoparticle hydrogel that dudes itself with your body, making you unable to take it out.
Once you have the mark, there is no redemption for you, correct? Where is the scripture to support this?
Here’s their pitch: no cure for this thing and the disease makes everyone safe.

In the good old times the beast was the Soviet Union, then Gorby himself, then Arafat, then...

 

[Beachlover]

Sorry but. I had to laugh a little for we don't get there being graded on the floating scale.
Although it seems most think that way.

I'm a little better than three of my neighbors.
If anybody -- I'm good to go.

Clean with just a small amount of dirt.

M

Exactly! More like a clump of mud, but still!

 

[John Helpher]

In the good old times the beast was the Soviet Union, then Gorby himself, then Arafat, then...

It's okay for opinions and conclusions to change as events change and/or become more clear. It would be worse if people were stubbornly not changing despite being overtaken by events.

 

[Scann]

Sorry but. I had to laugh a little for we don't get there being graded on the floating scale.
Although it seems most think that way.

I'm a little better than three of my neighbors.
If anybody -- I'm good to go.

Clean with just a small amount of dirt.

M

Jesus did say something about having a plank in your own eye but he didn't say that others can't have a big tree bark in their eyes.

 

[fewme]

Hey people Revelation was written to give hope to Christians living in awful times. Its meaning is the Lord will come again, stay firm in the Faith of He who saves you. It's not meant to make you scared. A Christian has nothing to fear by his, her own sin.