Really scared about COVID vaccine

[Thera]

Your statement is false. I described behaviour, not motive - it is a reckless act to refuse vaccination regardless of motive.

I obviously can support my assertion that refusing vaccination is reckless - are you unaware of the mountains of historical evidence about the value of vaccinations? What you and your cohorts need to explain is why would virtually all duly qualified experts agree that refusing vaccination puts other people at risk?

No doubt, a very entertaining theory about how all these experts are in league to deceive will be forthcoming.

I'm not going to entertain a debate with you. I could win, but I'm aware that certain site rules about medical issues prevent an even hearing of the topics. Your statement above shows you again pupporting to know what is in the heads of others. Go on - examine yourself. By your previous comment, you will be fascinated.

 

[RDKirk]

Look carefully at what was said; no one said the vaccine itself was a problem, but rather a microchip implant mandated along with the vaccine as proof that the individual got the vaccine and even then there was consideration that this was not a factual outcome but rather a concern worth keeping in mind.

It's time to step back a moment and prove that "a microchip" really is the mark of the Beast.

Do you really think Satan's scheme is that transparent?

For there shall arise false christs and false prophets and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. -- Matthew 24

Two things said in that verse: 1. The deceptions will be incredibly deceptive. Or, rather, totally credibly deceptive. 2. It will be impossible to deceive the elect.

How can it be impossible to deceive the elect?

Because only the elect know the voice of the Holy Spirit and will not be operating through human perception of events.

 

[RDKirk]

Most vaccines are very beneficial, IMO, but what Dr. Lieber of Harvard and chinese student scientists working with him on the covid19 virus, -- showed that bio-engineering of viruses and vaccines is possible. Dr. Lieber was well-known for making extremely small transistors for microcomputers, using nano-wires. He might have incorporated nano-wire technology in covid19. Similarly, advanced technology might be able to make transponder tracking devices and put them into vaccines.

You realize you're speculating in the realm of science fiction, right?

 

[John Helpher]

Do you really think Satan's scheme is that transparent?

Is it really that transparent, though? I mean, look at your reaction. The prophecy says this "mark" will be in the hand and its purpose will be the control buying and selling. You're willing to take a microchip implant in your hand, for buying and selling, all because you insist that the real mark of the Beast must be some kind of secret worship thing.

It looks to me like the deception is moving along smoothly.

 

[RDKirk]

Is it really that transparent, though? I mean, look at your reaction. The prophecy says this "mark" will be in the hand and its purpose will be the control buying and selling. You're willing to take a microchip implant in your hand, for buying and selling, all because you insist that the real mark of the Beast must be some kind of secret worship thing.

It looks to me like the deception is moving along smoothly.

First, I'm not presuming the mark is necessarily physical. I'm certainly not going to make a hard conclusion that the mark is a microchip (ignoring other possibilities).

I don't "insist" either way. I was taught long ago, "Never fall in love with your own theories--it blinds you to the data that points elsewhere."

You conveniently avoided the rest of my post, which I will repeat here:

For there shall arise false christs and false prophets and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. -- Matthew 24

Two things said in that verse: 1. The deceptions will be incredibly deceptive. Or, rather, totally credibly deceptive. 2. It will be impossible to deceive the elect.

How can it be impossible to deceive the elect?

Because only the elect know the voice of the Holy Spirit and will not be operating through human perception of events.

 

[John Helpher]

Because only the elect know the voice of the Holy Spirit and will not be operating through human perception of events.

This sounds like an overly spiritualized way of saying that, so long as you have good intentions in your heart, you can't be deceived, which is exactly what it takes to be deceived.

I agree that it is impossible for the elect to be deceived, but one is only "elect" insomuch as he follows God's spirit. Jesus said that his teachings are his spirit. He said that the job of the Holy Spirit will be to remind us of his teachings.

The mark prophecy very clearly states that the purpose of the mark will be to control buying and selling. Any interpretation which does not include buying and selling (i.e. money) as a central, integral part of that interpretation will be inaccurate.

Now, compare this with what Jesus said about our relationship to money. He said we cannot work for God and money at the same time without cheating on one or the other. He said we should not let worry about food and clothing stop us from stepping out in faith. He said all the nations of the world chase after these things, but that we should not be like them. He said that we should seek his Kingdom and God, who knows what we need, will take care of us.

There is a central theme both in the mark prophecy and in the teachings of Jesus regarding our reliance on materialism vs our dependence on God. In either case we must make a choice. As it is now, a person can still work for money at pretend to be a follower of Jesus, but a time is coming when the choice will be made much more clear; a line in the concrete. If you take the mark in your hand so that you may continue to buy and sell, you are making a declaration as to whom you really serve.

People who disregard or argue-away this important choice are almost certainly doing so because they themselves have not confronted their reliance on materialism. They want the salvation Jesus promised, but they do not want his teachings. They do not want to reject the system which feeds them so they will invent all kinds of convenient doctrines to make themselves feel better about their reliance on money.

 

[Greengardener]

Your statement is false. I described behaviour, not motive - it is a reckless act to refuse vaccination regardless of motive.


I obviously can support my assertion that refusing vaccination is reckless - are you unaware of the mountains of historical evidence about the value of vaccinations? What you and your cohorts need to explain is why would virtually all duly qualified experts agree that refusing vaccination puts other people at risk?

No doubt, a very entertaining theory about how all these experts are in league to deceive will be forthcoming.

The evidence does not support the experts making the assertion that refusing vaccination puts others at risk in every situation. Following the public health investigations can be an interesting study.

There exists a National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program to limit the compensation for damage caused by the vaccines administered. That speaks volumes to me regarding the safety of vaccines.

There are people who would refuse for religious reasons to ingest ingredients in many of the vaccines. I've read the list of ingredients and I recommend that everyone desiring to take any vaccine or medicine know what it is that they are taking. I for one will not blame anyone for taking God seriously regarding diet and the prohibition to ingest blood. One former poster mentioned the vaccines built on aborted fetal tissue. This, and the other ingredients used in manufacturing vaccines, is readily verified by a look in the Pink Book at the CDC website. The vaccines built on human diploid cells include measles, mumps and rubella (MMR), hepatitis A, polio, chicken pox (varicella) and one of the shingles vaccine. There might be others.

In all honestly, we don't know the long term unintended effects of the vaccinations we already distribute readily. None of the people mandating vaccination can assure no harm to the recipient.

I'm not an anti-vaxxer, by the way. I fully support the individual's fundamental right to take or refuse any medicine or vaccine and I fully reject the idea that any group or government has the right to mandate a vaccine or treatment to be administered to an individual regardless what the current experts are saying. That right started in Eden, and the Endower and Guarantor of that right is God.

If you read the law of God, you can see that He instituted isolation to protect the community from illness of the individual. There are other options than mandated vaccination or shaming people for thinking for themselves. Even experts have been known to harm people by faulty conclusions. I don't think we will find God to be found making any mistakes.

 

[RDKirk]

If you read the law of God, you can see that He instituted isolation to protect the community from illness of the individual. There are other options than mandated vaccination or shaming people for thinking for themselves. Even experts have been known to harm people by faulty conclusions. I don't think we will find God to be found making any mistakes.

Except that they don't want to be quarantined, either.

 

[Hank77]

I’m very worried that Bill Gates’ vaccine is the mark of the Beast. You won’t be able to go back to work unless you take it. The lockdown won’t end until people take it. Thus, you can’t buy or sell. The whole world has this disease threat. Plus, it may have some nanoparticle hydrogel that dudes itself with your body, making you unable to take it out.
Once you have the mark, there is no redemption for you, correct? Where is the scripture to support this?
Here’s their pitch: no cure for this thing and the disease makes everyone safe.

Bill Gates does not have a vaccine neither is he in the business of creating a vaccine. When and if a vaccine is created it will be by a government agency such as the CDC laboratory, a private pharmaceutical laboratory, or a university laboratory just the same as MMR, Influenza, etc. vaccines have been.
Bill Gates invests millions even billions to deliver vaccines to populations of people, such as those in Africa, that don't have access to vaccines. The Gates' Foundation won't be giving vaccines to anyone in the US as we have a well established medical delivery system.

 

[Hank77]

You won’t be able to go back to work unless you take it. The lockdown won’t end until people take it.

It will be up to individual businesses what they will require of their employees, and whether they can legally require it idk. The lockdown, which was never a complete lockdown, is already ending in most states. The only things that aren't open in my state are full inside restaurant eating, bars, theaters, and sports colosseums. I can see theaters opening soon with social distancing mitigation.
The US will not lockdown and destroy the economy in order to vaccinated people.

 

[seeking.IAM]

The Bill and Malinda Gates Foundation partners with Rotary International in a campaign to eradicate polio from around the globe. Rotarians with Gates' financial support go into countries and give polio vaccine to thousands of children. As a result of their effort, polio is present in only a 2 or 3 countries. They are this close to eradicating polio. I think it is ludicrous when their philanthropic efforts are villainized and tried to made into something sinister or evil. I'm a Rotary Club member and glad to be in partnership with the Gates'. You an try to make them out to be bad all you want. You are simply wrong.

 

[Thera]

The Bill and Malinda Gates Foundation partners with Rotary International in a campaign to eradicate polio from around the globe. Rotarians with Gates' financial support go into countries and give polio vaccine to thousands of children. As a result of their effort, polio is present in only a 2 or 3 countries. They are this close to eradicating polio. I think it is ludicrous when their philanthropic efforts are villainized and tried to made into something sinister or evil. I'm a Rotary Club member and glad to be in partnership with the Gates'. You an try to make them out to be bad all you want. You are simply wrong.

Polio has never been proved to be contagious. Unless you believe that paralysing one monkey by injecting a substance directly into its brain can only be caused if the substance contains the polio virus.

There is good evidence polio was caused by the arsenic based pesticide used on sugar plantations that ultimately sourced the candy industry. And I wouldn't trust Bill or Melinda Gates about anything.

 

[seeking.IAM]

Polio has never been proved to be contagious. .. And I wouldn't trust Bill or Melinda Gates about anything.

Polio is an infectious disease and good works are good works.

 

[RDKirk]

It's time to step back a moment and prove that "a microchip" really is the mark of the Beast.

Do you really think Satan's scheme is that transparent?

For there shall arise false christs and false prophets and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. -- Matthew 24

Two things said in that verse: 1. The deceptions will be incredibly deceptive. Or, rather, totally credibly deceptive. 2. It will be impossible to deceive the elect.

How can it be impossible to deceive the elect?

Because only the elect know the voice of the Holy Spirit and will not be operating through human perception of events.

Let me expand on my own point #2: It will be impossible to deceive the elect.

It's a fact that the "very elect" won't be deceived because Jesus says right here that it's not possible.

"Very elect" means "truly called out to be separate."

Jesus does not say, "Those who know the scriptures" or "those who understand the prophesies." Remember, the scholars of scripture and prophesy of Jesus' day didn't even recognize Him when He was standing right in front of them in the flesh.

OTOH, many of the unlearned did recognize Him.

In this case, none of the "very elect" will be deceived. That includes those who only became "very elect" just the day before. Or that morning. Scholarship has no role in this matter. It will all be the Holy Spirit.

 

[RDKirk]

Polio has never been proved to be contagious. Unless you believe that paralysing one monkey by injecting a substance directly into its brain can only be caused if the substance contains the polio virus.

There is good evidence polio was caused by the arsenic based pesticide used on sugar plantations that ultimately sourced the candy industry. And I wouldn't trust Bill or Melinda Gates about anything.

Polio is a pre-historic disease.

 

[Thera]

Polio is a pre-historic disease.

And arsenic is a prehistoric chemical, surprise, surpise.

 

[SeekingGloryOnThisJourney]

I’m very worried that Bill Gates’ vaccine is the mark of the Beast. You won’t be able to go back to work unless you take it. The lockdown won’t end until people take it. Thus, you can’t buy or sell. The whole world has this disease threat. Plus, it may have some nanoparticle hydrogel that dudes itself with your body, making you unable to take it out.
Once you have the mark, there is no redemption for you, correct? Where is the scripture to support this?
Here’s their pitch: no cure for this thing and the disease makes everyone safe.

Yea I’m kinda worried too.
Remember 1 Corinthians 10:31.
“Whether you eat, or drink, or WHATSOEVER YOU DO, DO ALL TO THE GLORY OF GOD.”
Do it for God. This sounds ridiculous but seriously.
Use it for His Glory.
Stay healthy for His Glory.
So that you may do His Will.
I really recommend a vitamin D supplement, they say it’s helping a lot though.

 

[RDKirk]

And arsenic is a prehistoric chemical, surprise, surpise.

However the outbreaks of polio have not corresponded with the prevalence of sugar or arsenic.

And then, which kind of "sugar?" Over the centuries and in different places there have been all kinds of natural sweeteners, relatively few of them having anything to do with arsenic...but there has always been polio everywhere.

 

[Thera]

However the outbreaks of polio have not corresponded with the prevalence of sugar or arsenic.

And then, which kind of "sugar?" Over the centuries and in different places there have been all kinds of natural sweeteners, relatively few of them having anything to do with arsenic...but there has always been polio everywhere.

Huh? The big outbreak of polio last century occurred in kids who had consumed confectionary contaminated with arsenic based pesticides from overseas sugar plantations. The use of the pesticide on sugar planations was understandably halted. I'm not aware of any mass polio outbreaks prior to this - maybe one or two smaller ones again associated with arsenic, but outbreaks of the disease were virtually unknown prior to the 1900s. This is consistent with poisoning, not a virus.

 

[RDKirk]

Huh? The big outbreak of polio last century occurred in kids who had consumed confectionary contaminated with arsenic based pesticides from overseas sugar plantations. The use of the pesticide on sugar planations was understandably halted. I'm not aware of any mass polio outbreaks prior to this - maybe one or two smaller ones again associated with arsenic, but outbreaks of the disease were virtually unknown prior to the 1900s. This is consistent with poisoning, not a virus.

You need to read more about it. And even read more about the eating habits of Americans in the early 20th century. People in general didn't each much candy--candy was a rare treat. Much of what they did eat wasn't even cane sugar--many were eating confections made with sorgham. So their exposure to arsenic in overseas sugar was limited.

If you haven't read anything about polio occurring before 1900, you just haven't bothered researching it.