really not praying to Mary???

mike1reynolds · Sep 7, 2006

BTW, I have never asked saints to pray for me, much less Mary. It is just not my way, but I think that it is wrong to judge others for following the practices of the first Christians.

Citizen of the Kingdom · Sep 7, 2006

Where was it a practice of the first Christians to pray TO Mary

mike1reynolds · Sep 7, 2006

It wasn't. It was a practice of the first Christians to ask Mary to pray for them.

How can you attack something that you can't even accurately describe?

mike1reynolds · Sep 7, 2006

BTW, I am not defending the RCC by any stretch of the imagination. I am defending CHRISTIANITY. I simply don't buy that the early Christians were totally lost. That invalidates all of Christianity.

Citizen of the Kingdom · Sep 7, 2006

Where in the scriptures does it say they asked Mary to pray for them?

mike1reynolds · Sep 7, 2006

The Bible came along quite awhile after these practices. A few hundred years to be exact. They never dreamed that anyone would disrespect Jesus' mother, I'm sure that they would all think anyone who does is completely insane. They didn't feel the need to address the unthinkable.

Citizen of the Kingdom · Sep 7, 2006

Your annoying! What does that have to do with it. ONM

mike1reynolds · Sep 7, 2006

It is just common sense. Who are you going to make friends with by disrespecting their mother? I mean really, give it just one second of thought from Jesus' point of view. I have no doubt what-so-ever how He feels about this. Dis His mother and you are starting off on the wrong foot with Him.

mike1reynolds · Sep 7, 2006

What does disrespecting Jesus' mother have to do with anything? I don't know... could be that Jesus' opinion MATTERS??

Citizen of the Kingdom · Sep 7, 2006

No opinions don't matter. Only scripture.

mike1reynolds · Sep 7, 2006

Your annoying!

If you find defending Jesus' mother so annoying then are you sure that you are in the right religion?

mike1reynolds · Sep 7, 2006

Apostolic Tradition is the source of the Bible. You are apparently not familiar with early Christian history. Only one of the Disciples died of natural causes, they were constantly on the run and in danger, often killed in mass numbers.

The NT is the smallest religious scripture on the planet as a result. It is hardly more than a pamphlet. Every other religion has droves of scripture, Christianity has the bare bones because Satan was trying very hard to stamp it out.

Read some history.

WarriorAngel · Sep 7, 2006

If you find defending Jesus' mother so annoying then are you sure that you are in the right religion?

Facts;
She was created, not by accident, but with deliberate intention.

She was honored by the Angel in his greeting to her.

Satan will strike at her heel, and she will strike at his head.

Jesus listens to her.

Jesus loves her above other creatures.

She did the Lord's will perfectly.

She nurtured Him, nursed Him, raised Him, taught Him, gave birth to Him, gave Him human flesh, was His most intimate relationship with mankind.

He honored her, He loved her, He obeyed her [4th commandment] and He protects her.

Knowing His deep love and devotion to His own Mother WHOM HE created as the Mother He wanted.......she is indeed worthy of our requests.

AND when I draw my dying breath, I pray she is there to ask Her Son to let me with Him for all eternity.
And that I am given the opportunity to see the role model of true Christianity.

I hope when I die, she is my first sight, standing along side her Son, asking Him for me, that I am able to be with His beautific vision and with Our Father.

I venture to guess, since all through out the entire Bible...all of scriptures, Jesus tells everyone else what must be done....and only His Mother tells Him what must be done.
And He obeys Her wishes to please the wedding party.

Where else does Christ simply obey? Besides the Father?

The lowest will be the greatest.
Mary was the humblest, and the most exalted by God. [hence my past quotes] The lowly shall be exated by God...

The last shall be first.

Think about it.

And as for my house, we shall pay respects, honor, and love to our Heavenly Mother, Whom our dearest Lord loves most dearly. AND Shall seek her assistance in times of all trouble.

I know she came through many times in the forms of miracles...by beseeching her help.

Peace!

mike1reynolds · Sep 7, 2006

He honored her, He loved her, He obeyed her [4th commandment] and He protects her.

Good point! The antiMary people seem to think that the 4th commandment doesn't apply to Jesus, or that Jesus would choose for the 4th commandment not to apply to Him.

christianmomof3 · Sep 7, 2006

Satan will strike at her heel, and she will strike at his head.

This is Christ being spoken of in Gen. 3:15 - not Mary - He is the "seed" who will do the bruising.

AND when I draw my dying breath, I pray she is there to ask Her Son to let me with Him for all eternity.

You can ask Him yourself directly and He will listen. He answers our prayers.

And as for my house, we shall pay respects, honor, and love to our Heavenly Mother, Whom our dearest Lord loves most dearly. AND Shall seek her assistance in times of all trouble.

As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.

mike1reynolds · Sep 7, 2006

You can't very will serve the Lord by insulting His mother.

WarriorAngel · Sep 7, 2006

15 I will put enmities between thee and the woman, and thy seed and her seed: she shall crush thy head, and thou shalt lie in wait for her heel.

When did Christ call Himself a she?

WarriorAngel · Sep 7, 2006

christianmomof3 said:
This is Christ being spoken of in Gen. 3:15 - not Mary - He is the "seed" who will do the bruising.

You can ask Him yourself directly and He will listen. He answers our prayers.

As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.

Genesis 3; 15

15 I will put enmities between thee and the woman, and thy seed and her seed: she shall crush thy head, and thou shalt lie in wait for her heel.

Now, has Christ had an identity crisis? NO!!

It is very specific that SHE shall crush his head...
And he shall lie in wait for HER heel.

christianmomof3 · Sep 7, 2006

WarriorAngel said:
When did Christ call Himself a she?

GEN 3:15 and I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed: he shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
American Standard Version
3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
King James Version
3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; he shall crush thy head, and thou shalt crush his heel.
Darby Version
In my Jewish version it is "they", in the NIV is "he"
and in the New American Bible - which is a Catholic bible - it is "He".
which version of the Bible are you quoting?

livingword26 · Sep 7, 2006

Gen 3:15
15 And I will put enmity
between you and the woman,
and between your offspring and hers;
he will crush your head,
and you will strike his heel."
NIV

Gen 3:15
15 And I will put enmity
Between you and the woman,
And between your seed and her Seed;
He shall bruise your head,
And you shall bruise His heel."
NKJV

Gen 3:15
15 And I will put enmity
Between you and the woman,
And between your seed and her seed;
He shall bruise you on the head,
And you shall bruise him on the heel."
NASU

Gen 3:14-15
You will grovel in the dust as long as you live, crawling along on your belly. 15 From now on, you and the woman will be enemies, and your offspring and her offspring will be enemies. He will crush your head, and you will strike his heel."
NLT

Gen 3:15
(15) I will make you and the woman hate each other; her offspring and yours will always be enemies. Her offspring will crush your head, and you will bite her offspring's heel."
GNB

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