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We'll answer to God ... not you ... for our beliefs.
And how many others say I say that too?Misrepresent -- he keeps saying you believe the Earth only looks 4.5 billion years old. See for yourself.
These little Statler & Waldorf quips you make, which look like good points as stand-alone remarks, fail in the light of the whole picture.TLK Valentine said:But not to his own facts.
Price you pay for free will.
Truth is more important.
Unity over facts -- I see that clearly enough.
I can tell which side of Paschal's Wager you're on.And truth is irrelevant as long as you spent your life toeing the party line...
And how many others say I say that too?
These little Statler & Waldorf quips you make, which look like good points as stand-alone remarks, fail in the light of the whole picture.
All they're doing is backfiring on you and and keeping you from understanding the whole picture.
I can tell which side of Paschal's Wager you're on.
You say that enough, you might start believing it.... truth is irrelevant.
In that case, I can tell which side of a coward's bet you're on.Pascal's Wager is a coward's bet.
?? What a strange claim. How would you determine what was created?
Everything matches in a religious made up past.
Where is that independent evidence (other than a belief decay existed at all due to our present laws back then) ??
Both dad and I believe we are believing the truth.
And even though one of us is wrong, we still have THE Truth in our hearts: Jesus Christ.
Show me.Sounds like you don't care what other misstatements, falsehoods, or outright lies you spread (as you've done about me), as long as you agree on that one truth.
QV please.Show me.
And if I feel you're right, I'll retract it with an apology.
You said truth is irrelevant.
You said truth is irrelevant.
I said you believe that.
And you expect me to retract?
Miracles still occur today, don't they?I see I was right about you.
Not really, I looked into it, and know that the dream dates are religion. It is a reasoned approach, that respects scripture, and looks at the truth of what man knows or not.But you only had that issue because you believe it was a non-Christian who said it -- had it come from a fellow in Christ, you never would've gotten your knickers in a twist.
And if a Christian does likewise, it hardly matters.
Why not? How would you know what the former nature did and how it worked or what was here created by God before any nature?!I just told you. If it was created in a different state past then it wouldn't have the same ratios as those produced by a same state past.
What is made up is the meaning you put on it. Not the actual stuff.It isn't made up. It is observed. We can directly measure the ratios of isotopes produced by the present state. We can directly measure the ratios of isotopes in rocks.
Then you have none. The ratios in rocks have gotten there by you know not what. You have merely sought to impose the present state realities on the unknown former state past. Busted ye be.The independent evidence is the measured ratios of isotopes in rocks.
I think it looks old to those that judge what is old by a godless religious philosophy and methodology.
Take away the assumptions of a same state past on earth and we lose all
meaning relating to time when looking at isotopes. The looking old is 100% part of the religion. Nothing else.
The different nature in heaven and the future is not a zillion miracles, so much as the God created new state and nature we will have. Same idea for the past.
Yes, Scripture does contain info on a future and past that is different in fundamental ways, naturally.Barbarian observes:
In other words, instead of adjusting the evidence by "God could just have created the world last (Tuesday, Year, Century, Whatever) and made it look like it was much older", why not just accept the evidence for what it is? After all, as you've been reminded numerous times, there's nothing in scripture to make us believe otherwise.
None. Just the same state past religion. That same religion that predicts the sun and stars will go out and etc. It is nothing but a fanatical little godless fable collection. To say it looks old is nothing more than a tee shirt saying you are part of that religion.Evidence does seem to indicate that it's old.
Jesus is God, so all of them are without Him, and that includes tha sneaky insideus cowardly so called sciences that have pretended to be more than religion.But the only "godless religion" I know of is Buddhism, and I'm not sure they have a doctrinal position. But why not just accept it the way He says He did it?
Face it, it is creation itself..a real creation by Jesus of man and the earth and heavens that small 'b' believers do not believe! Name any nominal bible believing liberal anywhere that does?What's so important about modifying Genesis to fit a young Earth position?
ot at all, that is something that happens in the present state. You assumed it represented all ages and caused all ratios...gong.There's that little problem of radioactive decay.
Ridiculous. You are talking about a present state on steroids that just still has decay, but at some faster ridiculous rate.If what the evidence shows to be billions of years, turns out to be thousands instead, the radiation from decaying elements one million times greater than today, would have fried everything living on Earth. So that's out.
No. I feel that the nature was different clear on past the flood, and that the millennium also will be different.I know you want to believe that different physical laws were somehow in for Adam or whatever, but your major problem is that there is no scriptural or scientific evidence for your new belief.
Why not?
How would you know what the former nature did and how it worked or what was here created by God before any nature?!
What is made up is the meaning you put on it. Not the actual stuff.
The ratios in rocks have gotten there by you know not what.
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