Reading Lahaye...

[2tim]

I am aware of the many studies that interpret the book of Revelation to make that claim, but I think that by now we should understand that we are unable to determine just how any prophecy will be fulfilled, especially when it uses symbolic language. For example, before Pentecost no one could have predicted that Pentecost would be the fulfillment of Joel's prophecy. Peter linked that prophecy to Pentecost after the fact.

There is no prophecy that asks us to look for a Sunday law, nor have I found anyone who is willing to state just how such a Sunday law would work.

Statrei, do you believe Ellen White was a prophet?

2Tim

 

[statrei]

Both your replies border on the same type of response, I concede the fact that christians have shown them selves to be very ignorant, intolerant etc,

And they will continue to that way because they are attempting to live under two incompatible systems, one which is of God and another they claim is of God.

 

[statrei]

Statrei, do you believe Ellen White was a prophet?

2Tim

I will go on and address the underlying concern in that question.

Since she refused to call herself a prophet I don't see why I should. That aside, being called to serve as a prophet did not confer on the individual infallibility. Prophets were free to disobey God. They were free to allow themselves to be influenced by the prevailing notions of their time. I value EGW's ministry but I have to remember that she is dead and the God who speaks with me daily is alive and well.

 

[deu58]

Hello Stateri

I will go on and address the underlying concern in that question.

Since she refused to call herself a prophet I don't see why I should. That aside, being called to serve as a prophet did not confer on the individual infallibility. Prophets were free to disobey God. They were free to allow themselves to be influenced by the prevailing notions of their time. I value EGW's ministry but I have to remember that she is dead and the God who speaks with me daily is alive and well.

She refused to call herself a prophet because she claimed others had brought reproach upon the title, Not because she did not believe she really was one, She then claimed that her ministry involved the the work of a prohphet but did not end there,

So in reality she claimed to be a prophet and more,

I can provide the exact quote from her writings if you wish,

yours in Christ
deu 58

 

[statrei]

Hello Stateri



She refused to call herself a prophet because she claimed others had brought reproach upon the title, Not because she did not believe she really was one, She then claimed that her ministry involved the the work of a prohphet but did not end there,

So in reality she claimed to be a prophet and more,

I can provide the exact quote from her writings if you wish,

yours in Christ
deu 58

I won't draw you into a debate on this since you are in a non-debating area for you. This does not change the answer that was requested of me.

 

[2tim]

And it was a good answer stateri. Thanks.
Well, I believe she was a prophet. I have here before me enough material of hers describing the events that await us in the near future to choke the proverbial horse.

But all of that aside. Your statement regarding Biblical prophecy and a national Sunday law is - respectfully - inaccurate.

"And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name."

2T

 

[statrei]

And it was a good answer stateri. Thanks.
Well, I believe she was a prophet. I have here before me enough material of hers describing the events that await us in the near future to choke the proverbial horse.

But all of that aside. Your statement regarding Biblical prophecy and a national Sunday law is - respectfully - inaccurate.

"And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name."

2T

That says nothing about a Sunday law. It says something will happen. Only when it happens will we know what.

 

[deu58]

Hi Stateri

I won't draw you into a debate on this since you are in a non-debating area for you. This does not change the answer that was requested of me.

I am not debating anything, I am stating a simple truth, That is why I said I would provide her own words on the subject,

If you want to disagree with what she wrote that is on you, I am not looking for a debate over what she plainly wrote,

yours in Christ
deu 58

 

[statrei]

Hi Stateri



I am not debating anything, I am stating a simple truth, That is why I said I would provide her own words on the subject,

If you want to disagree with what she wrote that is on you, I am not looking for a debate over what she plainly wrote,

yours in Christ
deu 58

I gave you my response. You are barking up the wrong tree. Go and find an EGW zealot to joust with.

 

[Olikamay]

I will go on and address the underlying concern in that question.

Since she refused to call herself a prophet I don't see why I should. That aside, being called to serve as a prophet did not confer on the individual infallibility. Prophets were free to disobey God. They were free to allow themselves to be influenced by the prevailing notions of their time. I value EGW's ministry but I have to remember that she is dead and the God who speaks with me daily is alive and well.

Now I am very confused. Since a national/global Sunday law is a basic Adventist belief, and it seems to me that you do not believe that this is true, I am wondering if you are an Adventist??? I'm not sure what's going on here. Can you be more clear on what you believe then??

 

[deu58]

Hi Olikamay

Now I am very confused. Since a national/global Sunday law is a basic Adventist belief, and it seems to me that you do not believe that this is true, I am wondering if you are an Adventist??? I'm not sure what's going on here. Can you be more clear on what you believe then??

I am not speaking for Stateri but am just sharing my own experience with varios SDA's,

There are more than a few SDA's who do not believe in the SOP, Investigative Judgment or any other thing, I have no Idea what Stateri beieves but I have met modern SDA's who really never heard the Third Angels message,

I have met quite afew people whose sole reason for going to an SDA church is because they want to worship on the Sabbath, No other reason,

yours in Christ
deu 58

 

[HoneyDew]

Now I am very confused. Since a national/global Sunday law is a basic Adventist belief, and it seems to me that you do not believe that this is true, I am wondering if you are an Adventist??? I'm not sure what's going on here. Can you be more clear on what you believe then??

Well, there you go, Stat. The ubiquitous, inevitable question. Where is the *sigh* smilie when you need it?

 

[Olikamay]

Well, there you go, Stat. The ubiquitous, inevitable question. Where is the *sigh* smilie when you need it?

Have I said something wrong?? I so--I am very sorry. I was just reacting with what I thought was a legitimate query.

 

[SassySDA]

Hello Stateri



She refused to call herself a prophet because she claimed others had brought reproach upon the title, Not because she did not believe she really was one, She then claimed that her ministry involved the the work of a prohphet but did not end there,

So in reality she claimed to be a prophet and more,

I can provide the exact quote from her writings if you wish,

yours in Christ
deu 58

Yeah, why don't you do just that. I'd be interested to know what book, what writing you are getting that from.

You might want to be careful though, if you aren't SDA you aren't allowed to debate on this thread...

 

[deu58]

Yeah, why don't you do just that. I'd be interested to know what book, what writing you are getting that from.

You might want to be careful though, if you aren't SDA you aren't allowed to debate on this thread...

Like I said , I am not looking for a debate, I will post it and and that will be that,

I use the Adventist CD rom from sold by the Ellen G White estate, You can check what I post against their searchable data base, It is the same writings as they sell,


elected messages book 1, Ch 2 Ellen White and her writings, Pg 32

Why have I not claimed to be a prophet?--Because in these days many who boldly claim that they are prophets are a reproach to the cause of Christ; and because my work includes much more than the word "prophet" signifies. {1SM 32.4}




Yours in Christ
deu 58

 

[2tim]

Nice job.

Okay statrei let's look at the scripture. I'm going to go thru the big parts, and you indicate which one you would like me to undergird in detail. I'm doing it this way to save us time and me typing....

Going back to verse 15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

1. Both speak and cause, legislation and inforcement
2. Worship the image of the beast, i.e. receive the mark of the beast, the counterfeit sabbath

"And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name."

1A. Again, enforcement - through commercial restrictions

Do we disagree?

2Tim

 

[statrei]

And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name."

1A. Again, enforcement - through commercial restrictions

Do we disagree?

2Tim

I think we can agree thy buying and selling refers to some kind of commercial restriction. Of course, it may just be a euphemism for making your life a living hell. Preventing you from buying is of little effect if yoiu have no money in the first place. Agreed?

 

[statrei]

Have I said something wrong?? I so--I am very sorry. I was just reacting with what I thought was a legitimate query.

And that's the really sad part, that under these circumstances you think it is a legitimate query. This is a discussion forum where ideas are exchanged, changed, and rearranged.

 

[statrei]

I have no Idea what Stateri beieves

Well, thanks for that admission. You seem to give a different impression elsewhere.

 

[2tim]

After reading your post, and reviewing some of the others we've exchanged, I feel like I ought to share with you that I am a very conservative Seventh Day Adventist. The Seventh Day Adventist church I attend now was the first church of any kind to have my name on its roll. The church is actually situated a few miles from several of the places where Ellen White lived, worked, lost and loved. One of her homes was two doors down from mine. I share this only so that you will understand me and where I'm coming from.

These few years later, I have had the opportunity to visit and speak at many many churches, Praise the LORD.

As I mentioned earlier, I believe that the Bible clearly indicates that there will be Prophets in the Earth right up until Jesus returns. And, as I said, I believe that Ellen White was one of these prophets. I won't go into a great deal of detail regarding the course of study and prayer that went into this decision but I hope it will suffice to say that I investigated the matter as any man would who understood the responsabilites for leading his family's spiritual walk given him by God. I compared Mrs. White's life and work to the Biblical standards or characteristics of a prophet and found that she made the grade with flying colors.

In addition to this, while my church is a Confrence church and very active as such, we are - in the spectrum of SDA churches - considered unusual in our serious and reverant approach. Plainly said - we're considered a little overly so by many.

But frankly, these very characteristics were the reason I stayed, and later why I lead my family to our little church in Maine.

So. That said, we will differ fundamentally on several things that have their basis in the Bible and are illuminated by Ellen White's visions.

The events surrounding the Sunday law to come is very much one of these topics. So - we might just have to agre to disagree agreeably.

Agreed?

2Tim