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Who's Jesus? There's no one named Jesus in this.Hades? The place or the pagan Greek "god"? Would the real God, Who told us not to even mention the names of pagan "gods" [Joshua 23:7] then go on to do so Himself? I doubt Jesus, here, was speaking Greek, or used the term "hades."
Who's Jesus? There's no one named Jesus in this.
The cop-out is not addressing the points and Scripture, and proceeding with your own teaching as if your error had not been addressed.
But it is no surprise.
Satan isn't alone.
Universalism limits God as inconsistent. But thankfully the universalist shows that it is they who are inconsistent, because, as I have shown in the proof-texting you provided—what you are saying doesn't even align with what the verses you quote state.
You take passages that refer to those who belong to Christ and apply them to everyone. Not something any serious Bible Student is going to overlook, but unfortunately—there's a lot of collateral damage among those who are seeking after God.
This is a false charge, and ridiculous: it is the unrighteous God saves.
Remember, there are none righteous?
I have given my "complaints" in addressing your doctrine and what I view to be a false gospel, why won't you address those posts?
You make the Gospel of Jesus Christ obsolete with the false gospel everyone is going to be saved in the end.
So since you ignore what has already been addressed, how about explaining the parting words of the Lord Jesus Christ:
Revelation 22:19
King James Version
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
And by the way, I hope you don't take this as an attack on your person. I am sure you are sincere in your beliefs, and while I do disagree strongly with your doctrine, I do not question the reality of another person's salvation based on their doctrine (at least publicly). These posts are not given in hostility or without a sincere concern and desire to help.
So, what exactly does the Lord mean when He states "God will take away his part out of the Book of Life, and out of the Holy City, and from the things which are written in this book?"
God bless.
Why do you assume that Jesus was not speaking Greek? If Jesus was speaking Hebrew the word He would have used would have been sheol which the Jews wrote as "hades" in the 225 BC Septuagint/LXX and that is the word used in the NT. Only the gospel according to Matthew was believed to have been written originally in Hebrew.Hades? The place or the pagan Greek "god"? Would the real God, Who told us not to even mention the names of pagan "gods" [Joshua 23:7] then go on to do so Himself? I doubt Jesus, here, was speaking Greek, or used the term "hades."
Why do you assume that Jesus was not speaking Greek? If Jesus was speaking Hebrew the word He would have used would have been sheol which the Jews wrote as "hades" in the 225 BC Septuagint/LXX and that is the word used in the NT. Only the gospel according to Matthew was believed to have been written originally in Hebrew.
And FYI Luke was a gentile not a Jew so he definitely would not have written in Hebrew. And if Jesus had said "sheol" Luke would not have understood. You have any more objections?
I answered your question. That you didn't like my answer does not negate it. You stated a supposition. Jesus is quoted as saying "hades." Your suppositions notwithstanding.A side step as usual, avoiding my main point. If the true God is a jealous God as He states He is, then why would His Own Son intone the name of a false, pagan, Greek "god"? You mention Matthew and Luke, but my question is rooted in the OT.
I answered your question. That you didn't like my answer does not negate it. You stated a supposition. Jesus is quoted as saying "hades." Your suppositions notwithstanding.
I'm just playing around regarding translation since Jesus is Greek for Yeshua. And I'm not sure how to debate this with you, since I've posted the same observation before regarding words like "Hell" and "Hades" being names of places out of pagan mythology. Like if you're going to use those, why not call Heaven Valhalla? Yet despite that, many universalists still use "hell" for lack of a better word, for a place of correction the unsaved will have to experience. Is it your contention that no such place exists?Oh, yes, He's the One telling the story...remember?
I'm just playing around regarding translation since Jesus is Greek for Yeshua. And I'm not sure how to debate this with you, since I've posted the same observation before regarding words like "Hell" and "Hades" being names of places out of pagan mythology. Like if you're going to use those, why not call Heaven Valhalla? Yet despite that, many universalists still use "hell" for lack of a better word, for a place of correction the unsaved will have to experience. Is it your contention that no such place exists?
That is something YOU need to put into practice.Overly large obvious copy/paste omitted.
Most of a person's post should be their own words. If you know of a long article you would like for members to view quote a short summary and post a link.
So what word should be used?Having found "Hel" and "Helheim" in Norse mythology, yes, I contend that no such place exists. Further, consider "Gehenna," a place outside Jerusalem that you can visit today. I can't speak for "many" universalists, but IMHO, "hell" is just too theo-illogically loaded a word to be of any use.
But for... Copy/paste usually implies something copied from another but presented as if it were totally, exclusively one's own work, Everything I post is solely my own work. Anything which is copied from any source is clearly identified. These will usually be grammars, lexicons, ECF. I never copy and post anyone else's work as my own.<period> end of statement.That is something YOU need to put into practice.
Although I posted quotes from three Jewish sources; Jewish Encyclopedia, The Talmud, the Encyclopedia Judaica, numerous times, which document that among Jews, before and during the time of Jesus there was a significant belief in a place of fiery, eternal punishment which they called both sheol and Ge Hinnom. The two terms were written as "hades" and "Gehenna" in both the 225 BC Septuagint/LXX and the New Testament.Having found "Hel" and "Helheim" in Norse mythology, yes, I contend that no such place exists. Further, consider "Gehenna," a place outside Jerusalem that you can visit today. I can't speak for "many" universalists, but IMHO, "hell" is just too theo-illogically loaded a word to be of any use.
No copy and paste is just that. Like you making copies of gigantic posts and reposting them over and over.But for... Copy/paste usually implies something copied from another but presented as if it were totally, exclusively one's own work, Everything I post is solely my own work. Anything which is copied from any source is clearly identified. These will usually be grammars, lexicons, ECF. I never copy and post anyone else's work as my own.<period> end of statement.
A side step as usual, avoiding my main point. If the true God is a jealous God as He states He is, then why would His Own Son intone the name of a false, pagan, Greek "god"? You mention Matthew and Luke, but my question is rooted in the OT.
I was a baptist for 30 years.
It might surprise you that the majority of those who hold to a restoration view of hell come from a traditional background.
In other words, they believed as you do for many decades.
If you actually had knowledge of any individual and how dedicated they were to their faith and serving God, you might re-think your uninformed position.
They come from all backgrounds/ they are traditional scholars, Pastors, and theologians. I will share a shortlist.
It is easy to ridicule those who view the scriptures differently than yourself,
but foolish to make claims about their faith as being inferior to your own.
If you actually had knowledge of any individual and how dedicated they were to their faith and serving God, you might re-think your uninformed position.
My husband and I both worked in the ministry, Southern Baptist for 30 years.
My husband is an Apologist and Author.
I am an Author and Evangelist, who worked with Billy Graham Evangelism Crusades, and Evangelism Ministries.
I encourage you to join the conference that is held each year that discusses respectfully the three views of hell.
I believe space is still available for speakers. You can submit an application. It is at this conference you can share your position. Rethinking Hell Conference – Evangelical Christian Conference on Hell
The list I referred to of Traditional Scholars, Pastors, and Theologians who teach and believe in the Ultimate Victory of the Cross, and the Restorative Nature of Hell.
1. Eastern Orthodox Bishop Hilarion
2. Evangelical Scholar Robin Parry
3. Orthodox Scholar David Hart
4. Pentecostal Bishop Carlton Pearson
5. Presbyterian Pastor Jon Bonda
6. Non-Denominational Pastor Stephen Jones
7. Franciscan Preist Richard Rohr
8. Methodist Pastor Kaleen Fristad
9. Baptist Missionary, Pastor, George Hurd
10. Eastern Orthodox Theologian Brad Jersek
Many more.
Based on your replies here you imply that those who view scripture differently than you do are either of the devil, have an intellectual disability, or are reprobates.
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