Re-Thinking Hell

[Lazarus Short]

[3]Talmud -Tractate Rosh Hashanah Chapter 1.
The school of Hillel says: . . . but as for Minim...

There you go, quoting a book which curses Christians and Christianity. I was not about to quote your post in full. I think you need to choose between Jesus the Christ and your beloved scholarship.

 

[P1LGR1M]

Redemption out of ABBA is a manifold experience of becoming one with Him. He is the Origin & Consummation of the radical all of His creation.

Aidios krisis is a figment of your imagination! Our God loses nothing, not remnant pieces of bread & fish, & most assuredly the broken lives of those for whom He is the High Priest of reconciliation.

Yah is the Beginning & Ending of ta panta.

Should what someone that doesn't even go to a Christian fellowship really be considered worth listening to?

Only those who are Eternally Redeemed need not fear Eternal Separation, Torment, Punishment, and Destruction.

These are all valid terms depicting the Second Death, which will be endured by every man and woman that knows no God and obeys not the Gospel.

I will ask you again, what fellowship is it that you go to that teaches what you are teaching?


God bless.

 

[P1LGR1M]

There you go, quoting a book which curses Christians and Christianity. I was not about to quote your post in full. I think you need to choose between Jesus the Christ and your beloved scholarship.

I don't see this as reasonable. You know yourself that this poster quotes from extrabiblical sources to present simple confirmation that there was and is a belief among Jews concerning Hell and Hades.

To charge him with scholarship worship—and in essence, denying his worship of Christ—is a bit trifling.

God bless.

 

[P1LGR1M]

OT Sheol is an indiscriminate place of ignorance that all must pass through. It's like a door that you pass through upon death but you don't know what's on the other side. Jews adopted greek concepts of the afterlife during the Hellenization period and this is where you see works like the book of Echo come from which influenced books like Dante's Inferno. What's interesting to me about these names is they are myth based. Gehenna is Jewish mythology, Hades and Tartarus are Greek mythology and "Hell" is Norse mythology. Biblically speaking it seems to borrow words to carry it's concepts. Tartarus is a place where the titans are bound, the bible uses to show where angels are bound. Hades is a greek God and an indiscriminate place of the dead the bible uses it to show we may be saved from it. I don't know what the place is like or how clear it can be described in physical terms but what is clear is it is an unwanted place that we can be saved from.

So you would charge the inspired writers of Scripture as endorsing mythology when they use these terms to describe Biblical truths?


God bless.

 

[Der Alte]

There you go, quoting a book which curses Christians and Christianity. I was not about to quote your post in full. I think you need to choose between Jesus the Christ and your beloved scholarship.

Of course. You are not interested in facts. You appear to only want to see something, anything as long as it supports your assumptions/presuppositions. Did you even try to read the disclaimer at the beginning of my post?
I documented the history of the Jewish belief in, what we call in English, Hell, as written by Jewish historians. That belief existed before and during the time of Jesus. Jesus and His disciples attended synagogues and temple for 25-30 years and would have heard that belief being taught. Neither Jesus nor his disciples taught anything which contradicted that belief in hell. Jesus used the same terms, the Jews used, to refer to the place of punishment., Gehenna and hades. Your objection is biased and uninformed.

 

[P1LGR1M]

Thank you so much P1LGR1M. That was an excellent response, and much appreciated given the time you've been taking in addressing other comments. The only thing missing was how you would balance that with 1 John 4:18 "perfect love casts out fear".
It requires further study on my part. This is where it could be helpful to look at the Greek translations.
I do agree that this aspect of our Lord should be preached about and understood more. Thanks again.

1 John 4:16-19
King James Version

16 And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.

17 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.

18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.

19 We love him, because he first loved us.


I think the first thing we need to recognize is the aspect of our sanctification John is referring to.

He does not say we have perfect love, but tells us how our love is made perfect: our recognition of God's love for us individually.

And the fear in view is fear that God does not love us.

The Greek word for perfect speaks of completion, and it has to be kept in mind whther something has been made perfect/complete or is in the process of being made perfect/complete. We have been made "perfect" in regard to remission of sins forever, but that does not mean we do not still sin, have need to confess that sin, and appeal to our Advocate, the Author and Perfecter (completer, finisher) of our faith.

This passage has an ongoing and open-ended application because it is not likely that anyone is ever going to have "perfect love as our Father in Heaven has for us. If there is someone here that thinks they are perfect in love, I would be glad to see them come forward and let us all in on just exactly how they were able to arrive at such perfection, free from the biases most of us deal with in life.

We also have to distinguish between the judgment we will receive as believers (for that is who John is writing to) and the judgment that is to fall on those who know not God and obey not the Gospel (which itself requires distinction between those in this Age and other ages).

What we cannot do is divorce a very simple command of Christ—to fear God and the Hell He will destroy unbelievers in—from the teachings of Scripture. To base that on how believers are to live within the sanctification process with the fate of those that are not even sanctified by the Sacrifice of Christ is a blatant departure from basic reading skills.

God gave us His Word for the express purpose that we know His will for our lives. It was not written as a magic book, or a code book that only those who have the magic decoder ring can understand, but as a simple testament of His will for man, and understandable by all men if they will but obey what He says.

Let them that have ears hear.

Not, let the scholars make sure they get it right, so those poor folk Scripture wasn't intended for aren't blamed needlessly.

Not sure if that is what you were meaning, but this passage has an application to believers and the sanctification process. Progressive Sanctification, not Positional Sanctification.

For myself, there is much in my walk with Christ I expect to be held accountable for, but, I do know that God loves me, and that regardless of reward or lack thereof—I will spend eternity with Him.

What I will also say is an interpretation of this passage as meaning "You can't scare people into obedience to God" or that fear generated by the Doctrine of Hell lacks love completely misses one of the most basic principles we have in Scripture: God is God, and we are men.

I'd be curious to know what universal salvation does with this:


Proverbs 23:13-14
King James Version

13 Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die.

14 Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell.


Does God mean for us to believe that we are to use correction to scare the Sheol out of children?




God bless.

 

[FineLinen]

Should what someone that doesn't even go to a Christian fellowship really be considered worth listening to?

Only those who are Eternally Redeemed need not fear Eternal Separation, Torment, Punishment, and Destruction.

These are all valid terms depicting the Second Death, which will be endured by every man and woman that knows no God and obeys not the Gospel.

I will ask you again, what fellowship is it that you go to that teaches what you are teaching?

Our God whose essence is Fire, is the Lake of theion & theioo. Nothing escapes Him as the Source of all things & the consummation of all things.

Our Father ABBA punishes with one underlying purpose only, change & transformation. There is no "eternal separation" or unending torment expressed by ABBA!

The steadfast love of the Lord NEVER ceases. EVER!

 

[FineLinen]

Olethron Aionion =

Marvin R. Vincent: Note on ‘eternal destruction’ (Olethron Aionion) – Mercy Upon All

The adjective aionios carries the idea of time. Neither the noun nor the adjective, in themselves, carry the sense of endless or everlasting. Aionios means enduring through or pertaining to a period of time. Both the noun and the adjective are applied to limited periods.

 

[wendykvw]

Scripture is written by God and inspired. Scripture is truth given by God that we have all we need to live righteous and holy lives for His Glory.
2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
Church history other than that given in the bible is written by men. It lacks God's inspiration and inerrancy. Traditions old or new are subject to and very much reflect the errors of the men that teach them.

The Bible is without error. People are not without error. . All people are covered under Grace, especially those who place their faith in Christ.

 

[Der Alte]

***
I'd be curious to know what universal salvation does with this:
Proverbs 23:13-14
King James Version
13 Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die.
14 Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell.[sheol]
Does God mean for us to believe that we are to use correction to scare the Sheol out of children?
God bless.

I would like to see what UR-ites do with this vs. myself. Do they not argue that "sheol" only means the grave? If "sheol" means the grave how can a father punishing his child with a rod save that child from the grave?

 

[FineLinen]

Olethron Aionion =

Marvin R. Vincent: Note on ‘eternal destruction’ (Olethron Aionion) – Mercy Upon All

The adjective aionios carries the idea of time. Neither the noun nor the adjective, in themselves, carry the sense of endless or everlasting. Aionios means enduring through or pertaining to a period of time. Both the noun and the adjective are applied to limited periods.

Aion & aionios - Dr. Marvin Vincent

Dr. Marvin Vincent, a noted New Testament scholar, wrote the following regarding the words aion, aionios, and their variations:

Αιων, transliterated aeon, is a period of time of longer or shorter duration, having a beginning and an end, and complete in itself. Aristotle (περι ουρανου, i.9, 15) says: "The period which includes the whole time of each one's life is called the aeon of each one." Hence, it often means the life of a man, as in Homer, where one's life (αιων) is said to leave him or consume away (Il. v. 685; Od. v. 160). It is not, however, limited to human life; it signifies any period in the course of events, as the period or age before Christ; the period of the millennium; the mythological period before the beginnings of history. The word has not a "stationary and mechanical value" (De Quincey). It does not mean a period of a fixed length for all cases. There are as many aeons as entities, the respective durations of which are fixed by the normal conditions of the several entities. There is one aeon of a human life, another of the life of a nation, another of a crow's life, another of an oak's life. The length of the aeon depends on the subject to which it is attached.

It is sometimes translated world; world representing a period or a series of periods of time. See Matt. xii.32; xiii.40, 49; L. i.70; 1 Cor. i.20; ii.6; Eph. i.21. Similarly οι αιωνες the worlds, the universe, the aggregate of the ages or periods, and their contents which are included in the duration of the world. 1 Cor. ii.7; x.11; Heb. i.2; ix.26; xi.3.

The word always carries the notion of time, and not of eternity. It always means a period of time.

Otherwise it would be impossible to account for the plural, or for such qualifying expressions as this age, or the age to come. It does not mean something endless or everlasting. . . . The adjective αιωνιος in like manner carries the idea of time. Neither the noun nor the adjective, in themselves, carry the sense of endless or everlasting. (pp. 58-59, vol. IV, Vincent's Word Studies of the New Testament)

These words do not convey the concept of "eternity" or "endlessness" as we understand it.

Dr. Vincent is not the only one to hold this position; several other Greek scholars and writers have overcome theological tradition and recognized this also. The following information on the use, meaning, and origin of the word aionios comes from Greek language experts James H. Milligan and George Moulton:

Without pronouncing any opinion on the special meaning which theologians have found for this word, we must note that outside the N.T. in the vernacular as in the classical Greek . . . it never loses the sense of perpetuus . . .

In the Sanskrit ayu and its Zend equivalent the idea of life, and especially long life, predominates. So with the Germanic cognates (Gothic aiws). The word is a primitive inheritance from Indo-Germanic days, when it may have meant "long life" or "old age" . In general, the word depicts that of which the horizon is not in view . . . (p. 16, Vocabulary of the Greek Testament)

Milligan and Moulton clearly state that, in contradiction to the "special meaning" which theologians seem to have found for aionios in the New Testament, in both common and classical Greek this word simply refers to an unspecified, but finite, period of time.

 

[Receivedgrace]

The Bible is without error. People are not without error. . All people are covered under Grace, especially those who place their faith in Christ.

Only those who trust Christ have received grace. All people are deemed in unbelief until they trust in Christ by hearing Gods word and repenting.
The unsaved would not be happy in heaven because they love sin and sin cannot enter heaven.

 

[David's Harp]

1 John 4:16-19
King James Version

16 And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.

17 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.

18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.

19 We love him, because he first loved us.


I think the first thing we need to recognize is the aspect of our sanctification John is referring to.

He does not say we have perfect love, but tells us how our love is made perfect: our recognition of God's love for us individually.

And the fear in view is fear that God does not love us.

The Greek word for perfect speaks of completion, and it has to be kept in mind whther something has been made perfect/complete or is in the process of being made perfect/complete. We have been made "perfect" in regard to remission of sins forever, but that does not mean we do not still sin, have need to confess that sin, and appeal to our Advocate, the Author and Perfecter (completer, finisher) of our faith.

This passage has an ongoing and open-ended application because it is not likely that anyone is ever going to have "perfect love as our Father in Heaven has for us. If there is someone here that thinks they are perfect in love, I would be glad to see them come forward and let us all in on just exactly how they were able to arrive at such perfection, free from the biases most of us deal with in life.

We also have to distinguish between the judgment we will receive as believers (for that is who John is writing to) and the judgment that is to fall on those who know not God and obey not the Gospel (which itself requires distinction between those in this Age and other ages).

What we cannot do is divorce a very simple command of Christ—to fear God and the Hell He will destroy unbelievers in—from the teachings of Scripture. To base that on how believers are to live within the sanctification process with the fate of those that are not even sanctified by the Sacrifice of Christ is a blatant departure from basic reading skills.

God gave us His Word for the express purpose that we know His will for our lives. It was not written as a magic book, or a code book that only those who have the magic decoder ring can understand, but as a simple testament of His will for man, and understandable by all men if they will but obey what He says.

Let them that have ears hear.

Not, let the scholars make sure they get it right, so those poor folk Scripture wasn't intended for aren't blamed needlessly.

Not sure if that is what you were meaning, but this passage has an application to believers and the sanctification process. Progressive Sanctification, not Positional Sanctification.

For myself, there is much in my walk with Christ I expect to be held accountable for, but, I do know that God loves me, and that regardless of reward or lack thereof—I will spend eternity with Him.

What I will also say is an interpretation of this passage as meaning "You can't scare people into obedience to God" or that fear generated by the Doctrine of Hell lacks love completely misses one of the most basic principles we have in Scripture: God is God, and we are men.

I'd be curious to know what universal salvation does with this:


Proverbs 23:13-14
King James Version

13 Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die.

14 Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell.


Does God mean for us to believe that we are to use correction to scare the Sheol out of children?




God bless.

Well you've done it again. Excellent. By putting the passage into its proper context you've brought new life to this, for me at least. The fault I've been making in my previous posts is something you've been warning against in your others - taking the passage as a prooftext. I had been imagining the perfect love that casts out fear as something appropriated from God in times of fear. So apologies for that. It just goes to show how important the proper context is.
I still feel that there are different aspects of fear as highlighted in some of the Proverbs, but again the context is of utmost importance. I think we'll leave it at that P1LGR1M lest we derail the main topic (although it is related isn't it?). Thanks again. God Bless.

 

[wendykvw]

Only those who trust Christ have received grace. All people are deemed in unbelief until they trust in Christ by hearing Gods word and repenting.
The unsaved would not be happy in heaven because they love sin and sin cannot enter heaven.

People are redeemed by the sacrifice and faithfulness of Christ. All people will come to know Him. This is the Promise of the Scriptures.

 

[Der Alte]

People are redeemed by the sacrifice and faithfulness of Christ. All people will come to know Him. This is the Promise of the Scriptures. Perhaps you have failed in learning the mystery that Paul speaks of in the book of Ephesians. The reconciliation of all creation.

The words of Paul, and all other NT writers, cannot supersede the words of Jesus, Himself.
If there is a seeming contradiction between the words of Jesus and any NT writer, it absolutely must be resolved in favor of the words of Jesus.

EOB Matthew:25:46 When he will answer them, saying: ‘Amen, I tell you: as much as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.’ 46 These [ones on the left] will go away into eternal [αἰώνιος/aionios] punishment, [κόλασις/kolasis] but the righteous into eternal [αἰώνιος/aionios] life.”​

Greek has been the language of the Eastern Greek Orthodox church since its inception, 2000 years ago +/-. Note, the native Greek speaking Eastern Orthodox Greek scholars, translators of the EOB, translated “aionios,” in Matt 25:46, as “eternal,” NOT “age.”
Who is better qualified than the team of native Greek speaking scholars, translators of the Eastern Greek Orthodox Bible [EOB], quoted above and below, to know the correct translation of the Greek in the N.T.?
Link to EOB online:
The New Testament ( The Eastern-Greek Orthodox Bible) : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
…..The Greek word “kolasis” occurs only twice in the N.T., 1st occurrence Matt 25:46, above, and the 2nd occurrence 1 John 4:18., below.

EOB 1 John 4:18 There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear, because fear is connected with punishment.[κόλασις/kolasis] But the one who fears is not yet perfect in love.​

In the EOB the Greek word “kolasis” is translated “punishment” in both Matt 25:46 and 1 John 4:18. Some mis/uninformed folks claim “kolasis” really means “prune” or “correction.” However, that is an etymological fallacy. According to the EOB Greek scholars “kolasis” means “punishment.”
Note: in 1 John 4:18 there is no correction, the one with “kolasis” is not made perfect. Thus “kolasis” does not/cannot mean “correction.”
…..It is understood that modern Greek differs from koine Greek but I am confident that the Greek speaking EOB scholars, backed up by 2000 years +/- of Greek scholarship, are competent enough to know the correct translation of obsolete words which may have changed in meaning or are no longer in use and to translate them correctly. Just as scholars today know the meaning of obsolete words which occur in the KJV and to define them correctly.

Matthew 7:21-23
(21) Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
(22) Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
(23) And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.​

 

[wendykvw]

It would depend how literally someone would interpret this verse. An abusive parent may take it to literally mean to beat their child to death.

A mentally healthy person would understand the meaning of the verse. Those, with a cruel and unhealthy obsession with violence would take this verse to mean something else.
New International Version
Punish them with the rod and save them from death.

New Living Translation
Physical discipline may well save them from death.

English Standard Version
If you strike him with the rod, you will save his soul from Sheol.

Berean Standard Bible
Strike him with a rod, and you will deliver his soul from Sheol.

King James Bible
Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell.

New King James Version
You shall beat him with a rod, And deliver his soul from hell.

New American Standard Bible
You shall strike him with the rod And rescue his soul from Sheol.

NASB 1995
You shall strike him with the rod And rescue his soul from Sheol.

NASB 1977
You shall beat him with the rod, And deliver his soul from Sheol.

Amplified Bible
You shall swat him with the reed-like rod And rescue his life from Sheol (the nether world, the place of the dead).

Christian Standard Bible
Punish him with a rod, and you will rescue his life from Sheol.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
Strike him with a rod, and you will rescue his life from Sheol.

American Standard Version
Thou shalt beat him with the rod, And shalt deliver his soul from Sheol.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
For you strike him with a rod and you deliver his soul from Sheol.

Brenton Septuagint Translation
For thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from death.

Contemporary English Version
and it may even save their lives.

Douay-Rheims Bible
Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and deliver his soul from hell.

Good News Translation
As a matter of fact, it may save their lives.

International Standard Version
Punish him with a rod, and you will rescue his soul from Sheol.

JPS Tanakh 1917
Thou beatest him with the rod, And wilt deliver his soul from the nether-world.

Literal Standard Version
You strike him with a rod, And you deliver his soul from Sheol.

New American Bible
Beat them with the rod, and you will save them from Sheol.

NET Bible
If you strike him with the rod, you will deliver him from death.

New Revised Standard Version
If you beat them with the rod, you will save their lives from Sheol.

New Heart English Bible
Punish him with the rod, and save his soul from Sheol.

 

[wendykvw]

The words of Paul, and all other NT writers, cannot supersede the words of Jesus, Himself.
If there is a seeming contradiction between the words of Jesus and any NT writer, it absolutely must be resolved in favor of the words of Jesus.

EOB Matthew:25:46 When he will answer them, saying: ‘Amen, I tell you: as much as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.’ 46 These [ones on the left] will go away into eternal [αἰώνιος/aionios] punishment, [κόλασις/kolasis] but the righteous into eternal [αἰώνιος/aionios] life.”​

Greek has been the language of the Eastern Greek Orthodox church since its inception, 2000 years ago +/-. Note, the native Greek speaking Eastern Orthodox Greek scholars, translators of the EOB, translated “aionios,” in Matt 25:46, as “eternal,” NOT “age.”
Who is better qualified than the team of native Greek speaking scholars, translators of the Eastern Greek Orthodox Bible [EOB], quoted above and below, to know the correct translation of the Greek in the N.T.?
Link to EOB online:
The New Testament ( The Eastern-Greek Orthodox Bible) : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
…..The Greek word “kolasis” occurs only twice in the N.T., 1st occurrence Matt 25:46, above, and the 2nd occurrence 1 John 4:18., below.

EOB 1 John 4:18 There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear, because fear is connected with punishment.[κόλασις/kolasis] But the one who fears is not yet perfect in love.​

In the EOB the Greek word “kolasis” is translated “punishment” in both Matt 25:46 and 1 John 4:18. Some mis/uninformed folks claim “kolasis” really means “prune” or “correction.” However, that is an etymological fallacy. According to the EOB Greek scholars “kolasis” means “punishment.”
Note: in 1 John 4:18 there is no correction, the one with “kolasis” is not made perfect. Thus “kolasis” does not/cannot mean “correction.”
…..It is understood that modern Greek differs from koine Greek but I am confident that the Greek speaking EOB scholars, backed up by 2000 years +/- of Greek scholarship, are competent enough to know the correct translation of obsolete words which may have changed in meaning or are no longer in use and to translate them correctly. Just as scholars today know the meaning of obsolete words which occur in the KJV and to define them correctly.

Matthew 7:21-23
(21) Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
(22) Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
(23) And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.​

Paul never contradicts Christ words. Compare scripture with scripture and you will have a unified story. Christ wins the world, through His wisdom.

 

[Der Alte]

It would depend how literally someone would interpret this verse. An abusive parent may take it to literally mean to beat their child to death.

A mentally healthy person would understand the meaning of the verse. Those, with a cruel and unhealthy obsession with violence would take this verse to mean something else.
New International Version
Punish them with the rod and save them from death.

New Living Translation
Physical discipline may well save them from death.

English Standard Version
If you strike him with the rod, you will save his soul from Sheol.

Berean Standard Bible
Strike him with a rod, and you will deliver his soul from Sheol.

King James Bible
Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell.

New King James Version
You shall beat him with a rod, And deliver his soul from hell.

New American Standard Bible
You shall strike him with the rod And rescue his soul from Sheol.

NASB 1995
You shall strike him with the rod And rescue his soul from Sheol.

NASB 1977
You shall beat him with the rod, And deliver his soul from Sheol.

Amplified Bible
You shall swat him with the reed-like rod And rescue his life from Sheol (the nether world, the place of the dead).

Christian Standard Bible
Punish him with a rod, and you will rescue his life from Sheol.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
Strike him with a rod, and you will rescue his life from Sheol.

American Standard Version
Thou shalt beat him with the rod, And shalt deliver his soul from Sheol.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
For you strike him with a rod and you deliver his soul from Sheol.

Brenton Septuagint Translation
For thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from death.

Contemporary English Version
and it may even save their lives.

Douay-Rheims Bible
Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and deliver his soul from hell.

Good News Translation
As a matter of fact, it may save their lives.

International Standard Version
Punish him with a rod, and you will rescue his soul from Sheol.

JPS Tanakh 1917
Thou beatest him with the rod, And wilt deliver his soul from the nether-world.

Literal Standard Version
You strike him with a rod, And you deliver his soul from Sheol.

New American Bible
Beat them with the rod, and you will save them from Sheol.

NET Bible
If you strike him with the rod, you will deliver him from death.

New Revised Standard Version
If you beat them with the rod, you will save their lives from Sheol.

New Heart English Bible
Punish him with the rod, and save his soul from Sheol.

How do you decide which one is correct? Eeny, meeney, minie, mo?

 

[Der Alte]

Paul never contradicts Christ words. Compare scripture with scripture and you will have a unified story. Christ wins the world, through His wisdom.

Did I not say "seeming contradiction?" Whichever verse you quoted earlier must be interpreted to mean "Not every one shall enter the kingdom of heaven" "Many shall go away into eternal punishment!"

 

[wendykvw]

How do you decide which one is correct? Eeny, meeney, minie, mo?

Simple. What is your point?