RE: Debates on Homosexuality

[RMDY]

Jesus never talked about homosexuality.
Jesus never said it was a sin to be Gay.
Jesus never said that homosexual acts are sinful.
Jesus never said that marriage is only between a man and a woman.


Moving on...

Jesus is God in the Flesh! He gave Moses the law at Mount sinai!

And in Leviticus, Jesus said sexual immoral things are transgressions. When he came in the flesh as a human, Jesus said sexual immorality is evil.

Jesus said for the reason a man leaves his parents to marry is to join with a wife. Jesus didn't teach that there is any other reason why a man leaves his parents for marriage.

 

[mont974x4]

Jesus, while in human form, may not have said them but those issues are definately covered in other places in the Bible.

 

[livingword26]

Jesus never talked about homosexuality.
Jesus never said it was a sin to be Gay.
Jesus never said that homosexual acts are sinful.
Jesus never said that marriage is only between a man and a woman.


Moving on...

Do you only believe the red letter verses in the bible, or do you believe them all to be inspired?

 

[UnitedInChrist]

Jesus never talked about homosexuality.
Jesus never said it was a sin to be Gay.
Jesus never said that homosexual acts are sinful.
Jesus never said that marriage is only between a man and a woman.


Moving on...

Davedjy...you should suspect where the opinon is going to go once someone throws out that fundamentalist term "fleshly desires" or "sins of the flesh". Yes, there are a few that think the bodies that God blessed them with are nothing short of temples of sin, with anything pleasurable being an act of satan. I myself have always been taught to treat my body as a temple, keep it healthy, and I embrace all the joys that God gives me with every sense I'm able to embrace...be it touch, smell, hear, taste, etc...they are all blessings. So when I meet that special someone, be it soulmate or otherwise, when my body reacts to the love that is coming my way, etc...I embrace it as what God intended the human body to do. He made it... and what a perfect machine it is.

 

[RMDY]

Davedjy...you should suspect where the opinon is going to go once someone throws out that fundamentalist term "fleshly desires" or "sins of the flesh". Yes, there are a few that think the bodies that God blessed them with are nothing short of temples of sin, with anything pleasurable being an act of satan. I myself have always been taught to treat my body as a temple, keep it healthy, and I embrace all the joys that God gives me with every sense I'm able to embrace...be it touch, smell, hear, taste, etc...they are all blessings. So when I meet that special someone, be it soulmate or otherwise, when my body reacts to the love that is coming my way, etc...I embrace it as what God intended the human body to do. He made it... and what a perfect machine it is.

Christianity isn't about gratifying our sensuality before God.

 

[UberLutheran]

Jesus is God in the Flesh! He gave Moses the law at Mount sinai!

And in Leviticus, Jesus said sexual immoral things are transgressions. When he came in the flesh as a human, Jesus said sexual immorality is evil.

Jesus said for the reason a man leaves his parents to marry is to join with a wife. Jesus didn't teach that there is any other reason why a man leaves his parents for marriage.

One little problem with that.

Jesus didn't write Leviticus. Or any other part of the Old Testament, or the Apocrypha.

 

[UberLutheran]

MercyBurst — I didn't think you'd have an answer for this.

Most Dominionists I've run into really HATE Paul's writings, especially Galatians, Philippians and Ephesians.

 

[mont974x4]

One little problem with that.

Jesus didn't write Leviticus. Or any other part of the Old Testament, or the Apocrypha.

Boy, I wish I were free to discard any parts of the Bible that made me uncomofortable by calling my sin a sin.


I am saddened by so many Christians who put no value on Gods Word.

 

[united4Peace]

Boy, I wish I were free to discard any parts of the Bible that made me uncomofortable by calling my sin a sin.


I am saddened by so many Christians who put no value on Gods Word.

No one is disgarding it but its that some dont care to take it literally.
For example, everytime it came to that time of the month Im not about to boot my husband out of bed or not shake hands with others lol .
Levitcus was laws written by men for that era...not for this era.
What with the shaving, menstual, sex, stoning etc...

 

[IamRedeemed]

Actually if "Christians" are debating the issue amongst themselves in this forum then there are counterfeits amongst us as the Truth is not in those that debate against what God has said in advocation of homosexuality, so essentially they are indeed lost.

Instead of arguing and studying whether homosexuality is wrong or not, start going out there and ministering to these people as God would want you to. Let's stop debating because the people you are debating with are christians. Instead go out there and minister to people who don't have Jesus Christ. Share God's love with them and pray for people who are lost.



6-7My counsel for you is simple and straightforward: Just go ahead with what you've been given. You received Christ Jesus, the Master; now live him. You're deeply rooted in him. You're well constructed upon him. You know your way around the faith. Now do what you've been taught. School's out; quit studying the subject and start living it! And let your living spill over into thanksgiving. - Colossians 2:5-7 (The Message)

 

[RMDY]

One little problem with that.

Jesus didn't write Leviticus. Or any other part of the Old Testament, or the Apocrypha.

UberLutheran, Jesus and The Father are one. "I AM" gave those laws to Moses. When God came as flesh, he didn't come to disregard his law, but to show us how to love others and follow God from our hearts.

One who proclaims their faith in Christ but acts it out differently does not work hand in hand.

You cannot proclaim Christ and be rebellious at the same time.

 

[mont974x4]

Since all sexual immorailty is spoken against in both the OT and NT the old "well that's just OT Law" argyment fails. Thankfully we have High Priest who can sympathize with us and we can come in godly sorrow and true repentence before the throne of grace and the Holy Spirit who can convict us of our sin and gives us the power to overcome our flesh.

 

[tulc]

Actually if "Christians" are debating the issue amongst themselves in this forum then there are counterfeits amongst us as the Truth is not in those that debate against what God has said in advocation of homosexuality, so essentially they are indeed lost.

Uhmmm I'm a Christian and there are no " " around it.
tulc(just thought you'd like to know)

 

[davedjy]

UberLutheran, Jesus and The Father are one. "I AM" gave those laws to Moses. When God came as flesh, he didn't come to disregard his law, but to show us how to love others and follow God from our hearts.

One who proclaims their faith in Christ but acts it out differently does not work hand in hand.

You cannot proclaim Christ and be rebellious at the same time.

You see gay people as being rebellious, we don't, big difference. I see gay people living as heterosexuals living ALTERNATIVE lifestyles from the ones that God has ordained for them just so they can fit in with their Church!

 

[mont974x4]

Homosexual Christians living a homosexual lifestyle are just like any other Christian living a sinful lifestyle.

We all need to be lovingly shown where we err using the truth of the Bible to encourage us all to live by the Spirit and not by the flesh....regardless of what sin it is that we are personally dealing with.

 

[IamRedeemed]

That's good. I hope you are.

But if you are advocating homosexuality, then what you are is deceived with no " " around it.

Uhmmm I'm a Christian and there are no " " around it.
tulc(just thought you'd like to know)

 

[IamRedeemed]

No, Church divisions occur when some people rebel against the Word of God, and those who are following the Word of God correct them as we are instructed to do.


James 5:19-20

Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;

Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

As you can see from James 5:19 (the first part above) it says Brethren, if any of you err...this is being directed to those within, not those without. Verse 20, calls this same one a sinner, whose soul will be saved from death. So, you see that if we do not renew our minds with the Word of God, and make His truths, our truths, and purpose in our hearts to follow, we deceive ourselves.

Romans 1:26-28

For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

Church divisions come from satan. It happens when someone puts their personal agenda ahead of God's agenda.

BTW, look at what's happening:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/education/2007-01-16-episcopal-virginia_x.htm

Katherine Schori (the first female national bishop) leads the way by ordinating the first openly gay bishop, and flapping the archbishop on canterbury. The Nigerian body doesn't recognize female bishops.

Nigeria has more episcoplalian members in church on a sunday than the US, Canada, and Australia combined.

 

[RMDY]

You see gay people as being rebellious, we don't, big difference. I see gay people living as heterosexuals living ALTERNATIVE lifestyles from the ones that God has ordained for them just so they can fit in with their Church!

What kind of alternate lifestyles?

 

[tulc]

But if you are advocating homosexuality, then what you are is deceived with no " " around it.

LOL! As you will!
tulc(more of a ( ) then a " " kind of guy!)

 

[IamRedeemed]

Well, see that's where the problem is. That statement is incorrect.

Jesus IS The Word of God.

John 1:1-3

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word WAS God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

John 1:14

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

One little problem with that.

Jesus didn't write Leviticus. Or any other part of the Old Testament, or the Apocrypha.