Ray Boltz comes out

[Million Pieces]

http://www.washingtonblade.com/2008/9-12/arts/feature/13258.cfm


I'm very saddened to read about this. I'm more sad to read all over the 'net how happy that so many Christian people are for him, and how he's "found his peace" and all that. One Facebook comment I read from a former Christian public minister shows me just how soft the Church has become. He spoke of how "being gay" is the new "divorced" in Christian circles. Divorce was once a career-ender in Christian music ministry, but since more and more ministers have divorced, it's become just another acceptable fact in Christian churches. Is this going to become another "acceptable fact" in our churches?

I hope to God it doesn't.

 

[Carolyn H]

 

[Nadiine]

http://www.washingtonblade.com/2008/9-12/arts/feature/13258.cfm


I'm very saddened to read about this. I'm more sad to read all over the 'net how happy that so many Christian people are for him, and how he's "found his peace" and all that. One Facebook comment I read from a former Christian public minister shows me just how soft the Church has become. He spoke of how "being gay" is the new "divorced" in Christian circles. Divorce was once a career-ender in Christian music ministry, but since more and more ministers have divorced, it's become just another acceptable fact in Christian churches. Is this going to become another "acceptable fact" in our churches?

I hope to God it doesn't.

I didn't know Boltz... I'm not a big fan of his type of music & never have been. But my mom? SHE'LL BE DEVASTATED. She loves his music.

People can mock me all they want about 'end times' paranoia... I'll say it again, these are strong signs of the end of times when we see the church itself crumbling from within and losing its firm foundation on the truth of God's word.

Homosexuality IS SIN and yet in our sinful culture the world has been allowed to affect the church instead of the church affecting the world.

I pray for God's true Church today to continue standing firm in the faith entrusted to us. Deception and doctrines of demons are more and more powerful as evil grows (just as Jesus warned it would escalate).

Lord help us stay firm in our faith - deliver us from the evil one.

Soli Deo Gloria

 

[Izdaari Eristikon]

I'd never heard of Ray Boltz... but then, I'm new to the whole contemporary Christian music scene. I know only a few of the artists. One thing... what he's gone through, his struggles with his sexuality are not unusual. Some of my gay friends have similar stories. I don't know Boltz' music, but whatever its merits, they're still the same.

P.S.: Ok, I checked out Boltz' music on Youtube. He's talented, but I don't care for that style. I'm a rock 'n' roll person. I didn't buy his music before and I won't now... but his coming out has nothing to with it. I just don't like it. But I'll pray for him, that God will show him His love, draw him closer and help him find peace.

 

[Nadiine]

I'd never heard of Ray Boltz... but then, I'm new to the whole contemporary Christian music scene. I know only a few of the artists. One thing... what he's gone through, his struggles with his sexuality are not unusual. Some of my gay friends have similar stories. I don't know Boltz' music, but whatever its merits, they're still the same.

P.S.: Ok, I checked out Boltz' music on Youtube. He's talented, but I don't care for that style. I'm a rock 'n' roll person. I didn't buy his music before and I won't now... but his coming out has nothing to with it. I just don't like it. But I'll pray for him, that God will show him His love, draw him closer and help him find peace.

Same here with music preference... I'm not into that stuff at all & I'm more into rock for sure.
Isn't it wierd how we just like or don't like something?

I honestly dont' pray for Bolt'z peace... not when he's coming out in open sin looking for acceptance in the christian world "just as he is"....

I pray that God will continue to send him serious conviction unto repentance so he'll find the Lord's TRUE peace. Not to undermine your prayer my friend (or meaning as if you want him to continue this way), just that I lived in rebellion most of my life and my family & friends continually prayed that God would hound me until I came back to Him in repentance.
I knew it back then & I was VERY angry that they'd pray that way for me - what felt like they were praying against me
But God honored those prayers and I came back in repentance and got free of all that baggage and found true peace in the Lord's salvation.
lol

There's no greater place to be.

 

[GreenMunchkin]

http://www.washingtonblade.com/2008/9-12/arts/feature/13258.cfm


I'm very saddened to read about this. I'm more sad to read all over the 'net how happy that so many Christian people are for him, and how he's "found his peace" and all that. One Facebook comment I read from a former Christian public minister shows me just how soft the Church has become. He spoke of how "being gay" is the new "divorced" in Christian circles. Divorce was once a career-ender in Christian music ministry, but since more and more ministers have divorced, it's become just another acceptable fact in Christian churches. Is this going to become another "acceptable fact" in our churches?

I hope to God it doesn't.

MP!! It's SO good to see you here! Yay!

It's just further evidence of the slide away from traditional Christianity. I have to say, am so relieved he's not receiving abuse. Was worried people would be attacking him over it. But that Christians are endorsing it and celebrating it is an indictment of the state of the church today How can he have "found peace" in being so deceived?

Has he come out as a homosexual, or is he a practising homosexual? Big big difference.

 

[Nadiine]

MP!! It's SO good to see you here! Yay!

It's just further evidence of the slide away from traditional Christianity. I have to say, am so relieved he's not receiving abuse. Was worried people would be attacking him over it. But that Christians are endorsing it and celebrating it is an indictment of the state of the church today How can he have "found peace" in being so deceived?

Has he come out as a homosexual, or is he a practising homosexual? Big big difference.

I don't expect him to be attacked here - it's tragic and I pray for him.

But if we read later how he's claiming he can both be a practicing homosexual AND continue in his Christian ministry, you'll see some "attack" becuz at that point, he's become a false teacher promoting sin as righteousness & that is to be rebuked.

I don't know yet if he's a practicing homosexual or not, but his "coming out" is still a support of sin (choice for what is sinful) when compared to his prior ministry.
But from the article, it seems like he's a practicing homosexual to me.???

I'm real interested to see what stance TBN will take... they have him on quite often.

 

[Izdaari Eristikon]

I don't "endorse" Boltz' homosexuality, and I'm not "celebrating" it. Whatever God wants him to do, I hope he does it... but I know God loves him regardless, because He loves us all, even though we're all sinners.

 

[GreenMunchkin]

I don't "endorse" Boltz' homosexuality, and I'm not "celebrating" it. Whatever God wants him to do, I hope he does it... but I know God loves him regardless, because He loves us all, even though we're all sinners.

Are you talking to me, Izzy? If so, there seems to have been a misunderstanding Where did I say you were endorsing it and celebrating it? And where has anyone said God doesn't love him regardless?

Honestly, sis, confusion abounds...

 

[PastorJim]

http://www.washingtonblade.com/2008/9-12/arts/feature/13258.cfm


I'm very saddened to read about this. I'm more sad to read all over the 'net how happy that so many Christian people are for him, and how he's "found his peace" and all that. One Facebook comment I read from a former Christian public minister shows me just how soft the Church has become. He spoke of how "being gay" is the new "divorced" in Christian circles. Divorce was once a career-ender in Christian music ministry, but since more and more ministers have divorced, it's become just another acceptable fact in Christian churches. Is this going to become another "acceptable fact" in our churches?

I hope to God it doesn't.

About three years ago, there was another Christian singer who admitted that he was a homosexual. I won't mention his name because I get him confused with another singer and I don't want to make a mistake and slander an innocent person.

The other guy came out (no put intended) and said, "Hey, I know I'm saved but this is a sin I thought I overcame and all of a sudden, I find myself falling into it. I know that this isn't pleasing to God so please pray for me, that God would help me to overcome this sin and please Him".

It was very humble and very contrite and it was a case where this guy really needed the church to gather around him (and, to the church's credit, we did).

But Boltz isn't repentant at all and has said "this is the way God made me, so this is the way I'm going to live".

He doesn't need our prayers to overcome this sin, he needs our prayers to get saved and he needs somebody who will love him enough to tell him the truth and give him the Gospel.

 

[Izdaari Eristikon]

Are you talking to me, Izzy? If so, there seems to have been a misunderstanding Where did I say you were endorsing it and celebrating it? And where has anyone said God doesn't love him regardless?

Honestly, sis, confusion abounds...

No worries. I wasn't sure you were implying that but I wasn't sure you weren't either. And it was for Nadiine's benefit as well. Just making myself as clear as possible just in case anyone misunderstood me.

 

[GreenMunchkin]

No worries. I wasn't sure you were implying that but I wasn't sure you weren't either. And it was for Nadiine's benefit as well. Just making myself as clear as possible just in case anyone misunderstood me.

Cool Am sorry I didn't phrase it better

I guess that slide started with the reformantion, uh?

Please, feel free to hang out here. You're welcome here. But if the extent of your contribution is to be snark and trollery, please do it elsewhere.

I have no beef with Catholicism. The slide has been in the last 40 years or so. And it's been picking up speed inexorably in the last decade.

 

[Izdaari Eristikon]

But Boltz isn't repentant at all and has said "this is the way God made me, so this is the way I'm going to live".

He doesn't need our prayers to overcome this sin, he needs our prayers to get saved and he needs somebody who will love him enough to tell him the truth and give him the Gospel.

For the sake of harmony here, I will not argue with you about this. But I want it known that I totally disagree.

 

[PastorJim]

For the sake of harmony here, I will not argue with you about this. But I want it known that I totally disagree.

Let me guess: you're one of those "Christians" who believes that you can live in sin and still claim to be saved?

 

[Nadiine]

No worries. I wasn't sure you were implying that but I wasn't sure you weren't either. And it was for Nadiine's benefit as well. Just making myself as clear as possible just in case anyone misunderstood me.

I already assumed you weren't condoning or celebrating it =0)

I don't look for little bits of content to pick out & analyze esp. when I know their beliefs don't tend to run that way, no need to read things in unecessarily to make personal points or cause strife

 

[Izdaari Eristikon]

Let me guess: you're one of those "Christians" who believes that you can live in sin and still claim to be saved?

I said I wouldn't argue with you about it, and I'm not going back on my word.

 

[Nadiine]

Please, feel free to hang out here. You're welcome here. But if the extent of your contribution is to be snark and trollery, please do it elsewhere.

I have no beef with Catholicism. The slide has been in the last 40 years or so. And it's been picking up speed inexorably in the last decade.

non conservatives can only post fellowship posts which this is not....

we keep seeing non CC people posting their views like this and I hope staff cracks down on it.
I purposely come here so I don't have to listen to their views - I can read them all over the theology where they post.

 

[Nadiine]

Let me guess: you're one of those "Christians" who believes that you can live in sin and still claim to be saved?

Actually no she isn't.

She just doesn't go into open rebuke... I don't feel comfortable speaking for her but did want to at least say that since you don't know her.

 

[rmw8855]

I don't expect him to be attacked here - it's tragic and I pray for him.

But if we read later how he's claiming he can both be a practicing homosexual AND continue in his Christian ministry, you'll see some "attack" becuz at that point, he's become a false teacher promoting sin as righteousness & that is to be rebuked.

I don't know yet if he's a practicing homosexual or not, but his "coming out" is still a support of sin (choice for what is sinful) when compared to his prior ministry.
But from the article, it seems like he's a practicing homosexual to me.???

I'm real interested to see what stance TBN will take... they have him on quite often.

The article I read said he retired from performing, quietly divorced his wife, and moved to Florida to start a new life as a gay man. So he isn't planning on continuing his ministry, but it sounded like he was practicing homosexual. I really enjoy the message of some of his songs, this is such a shame.

 

[PastorJim]

I said I wouldn't argue with you about it, and I'm not going back on my word.

OK.

My post said:

1. He isn't repentant, which is true.
2. He needs to get saved, which is true.

I don't see how you can disagree with either of those, but that's your right to do so.