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In epistemology and in its modern sense, rationalism is any view appealing to reason (Logos) as the source of the justification required to be able to rightly say that a fact is "known" to be true (beyond a reasonable doubt). At issue is the fundamental source of human knowledge, and the proper techniques for verifying what we think we know (see Epistemology). Rationalism should not be confused with rationalization.

Rationalism is often incorrectly contrasted with empiricism. Taken very broadly these views are not mutually exclusive, since a philosopher can be both rationalist and empiricist. The empiricist view holds that beliefs are only justified if they come to us through experience, either through the external senses or through such inner sensations as pain and gratification. But empiricism does not claim that those beliefs are known beyond a reasonable doubt and therefore does not conflict with rationalism. The distinction between rationalists and empiricists was drawn at a later period, and would not have been recognized by the philosophers involved.

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Empiricism is certainly not wrong but, without rationalism, it is a shallow and incomplete world view. In the purely empirical world view, a person is seen as just a "collection of atoms" and it is, therefore, not thought morally wrong to use, abuse, or manipulate that "collection of atoms" to one's own ends. On the surface of it, this almost seems reasonable. After all, we are indeed made entirely of atoms (or some other units that can be modeled mathematically). It fails, however, to take into account the complex emergent phenomena that make a human being so much more than "just atoms". Atoms don't have thoughts, feelings, hopes, dreams, or aspirations but people do. These emergent phenomena may not be empirically observable but they are immediately perceptible to intuition. (Just as one can "hear" things that cannot be "seen").

Clearly, being "made of" something is not the same as "being" something. But this brings us to an even deeper issue. What does it mean to "be" something? In the purely empirical world view it doesnt mean anything. In the purely empirical world view names are arbitrary and meaningless labels. This is, quite obviously, confusion. Words are categories and the phenomenon of Convergent evolution clearly shows that those categories are neither arbitrary nor meaningless.

There is nothing magical about intuition. Intuition is simply the brain using induction and massive parallel processing to determine the plausibility of certain possibilities. You suspend your disbelief long enough to get a "feel" for how well the idea "fits" with everything else you know. Does it conflict with other things you know? Does it require that you make many other assumptions? Or would it, in fact, explain many other things that would otherwise be explained?

Lets look at a classic case of intuition: the feeling that something dangerous is hiding behind the shower curtain. We have all felt it. This would seem to be a perfect case of our intuition malfunctioning and giving us a ridiculous feeling that we know cant be right. But is it really?

How well does the idea that something dangerous might be hiding behind the shower curtain fit with everything else we know?

People do indeed break into other people homes and rob them every day. If you were to come home while they were doing so they might quickly try to hide somewhere. The first places someone would think to try to hide would be under the bed or in the shower. A person who robs other people and then tries to hide is undoubtedly an irrational and therefore dangerous and unpredictable person.

So the possibility of a dangerous person hiding behind the shower curtain, though extremely unlikely, is nevertheless real. Some will argue that the fear we feel is all out of proportion to the actual risk. This is well and fine for all those people for whom the possibility of being brutally raped and murdered by a vicious psychopath is no big deal but for the rest of us there is a very good reason why we feel so much fear.

Intuition can't tell you whether a given idea is true or not, but if used properly, it does tell you whether that idea is reasonable or not. Occam's razor states that the most reasonable possibility tends to be the correct one. This is an important principle in understanding Russell's teapot and the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

The Myers-Briggs Type Indicator divides people into 2 groups according to their perceiving functions. "Sensing" and "Intuition" types. People are also divided into extraverts and introverts. Extraverts are mainly concerned with outward appearance while introverts are more concerned with the underlying reality. Extraverts would be particularly prone to treating people as objects (collections of atoms) while introverts would be more prone to see the inner person. Introverts think in terms of right vs wrong while extraverts think in terms of great vs not-great.
 
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Extraverts are mainly concerned with external appearance while introverts are more concerned with the underlying reality.

Extroverts are energized by crowds. Introverts worry that crowds will judge them by their appearance and therefore become drained of energy
 
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In epistemology and in its modern sense, rationalism is any view appealing to reason (Logos) as the source of the justification required to be able to rightly say that a fact is "known" to be true (beyond a reasonable doubt). At issue is the fundamental source of human knowledge, and the proper techniques for verifying what we think we know (see Epistemology). Rationalism should not be confused with rationalization.

Rationalism is often incorrectly contrasted with empiricism. Taken very broadly these views are not mutually exclusive, since a philosopher can be both rationalist and empiricist. The empiricist view holds that beliefs are only justified if they come to us through experience, either through the external senses or through such inner sensations as pain and gratification. But empiricism does not claim that those beliefs are known beyond a reasonable doubt and therefore does not conflict with rationalism. The distinction between rationalists and empiricists was drawn at a later period, and would not have been recognized by the philosophers involved.

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Empiricism is certainly not wrong but, without rationalism, it is a shallow and incomplete world view. In the purely empirical world view, a person is seen as just a "collection of atoms" and it is, therefore, not thought morally wrong to use, abuse, or manipulate that "collection of atoms" to one's own ends. On the surface of it, this almost seems reasonable. After all, we are indeed made entirely of atoms (or some other units that can be modeled mathematically). It fails, however, to take into account the complex emergent phenomena that make a human being so much more than "just atoms". Atoms don't have thoughts, feelings, hopes, dreams, or aspirations but people do. These emergent phenomena may not be empirically observable but they are immediately perceptible to intuition. (Just as one can "hear" things that cannot be "seen").

Clearly, being "made of" something is not the same as "being" something. But this brings us to an even deeper issue. What does it mean to "be" something? In the purely empirical world view it doesnt mean anything. In the purely empirical world view names are arbitrary and meaningless labels. This is, quite obviously, confusion. Words are categories and the phenomenon of Convergent evolution clearly shows that those categories are neither arbitrary nor meaningless.

There is nothing magical about intuition. Intuition is simply the brain using induction and massive parallel processing to determine the plausibility of certain possibilities. You suspend your disbelief long enough to get a "feel" for how well the idea "fits" with everything else you know. Does it conflict with other things you know? Does it require that you make many other assumptions? Or would it, in fact, explain many other things that would otherwise be explained?

Lets look at a classic case of intuition: the feeling that something dangerous is hiding behind the shower curtain. We have all felt it. This would seem to be a perfect case of our intuition malfunctioning and giving us a ridiculous feeling that we know cant be right. But is it really?

How well does the idea that something dangerous might be hiding behind the shower curtain fit with everything else we know?

People do indeed break into other people homes and rob them every day. If you were to come home while they were doing so they might quickly try to hide somewhere. The first places someone would think to try to hide would be under the bed or in the shower. A person who robs other people and then tries to hide is undoubtedly an irrational and therefore dangerous and unpredictable person.

So the possibility of a dangerous person hiding behind the shower curtain, though extremely unlikely, is nevertheless real. Some will argue that the fear we feel is all out of proportion to the actual risk. This is well and fine for all those people for whom the possibility of being brutally raped and murdered by a vicious psychopath is no big deal but for the rest of us there is a very good reason why we feel so much fear.

Intuition can't tell you whether a given idea is true or not, but if used properly, it does tell you whether that idea is reasonable or not. Occam's razor states that the most reasonable possibility tends to be the correct one. This is an important principle in understanding Russell's teapot and the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

The Myers-Briggs Type Indicator divides people into 2 groups according to their perceiving functions. "Sensing" and "Intuition" types. People are also divided into extraverts and introverts. Extraverts are mainly concerned with outward appearance while introverts are more concerned with the underlying reality. Extraverts would be particularly prone to treating people as objects (collections of atoms) while introverts would be more prone to see the inner person. Introverts think in terms of right vs wrong while extraverts think in terms of great vs not-great.


Empiricists seem to think that since we are "just atoms" therefore everything is, as they say, "all-good". And, further, they seem to think that anybody that doesn't think that everything is all-good (that nothing is morally wrong) must necessarily be judging them. This is an example of all-or-nothing thinking. It is certainly true that nothing is a "sin" (nothing is all-bad) and it is certainly true that people should not be judged because nobody is "all-bad" but it does not automatically follow that everything and everyone is all-good. That is the opposite mistake. (The difference between poo and s*** is that we see the latter as being all bad).



Accept the one whose faith is weak, without quarreling over disputable matters. 2 One person’s faith allows them to eat anything, but another, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. 3 The one who eats everything must not treat with contempt the one who does not, and the one who does not eat everything must not judge the one who does, for God has accepted them. 4 Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand.

5 One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind. 6 Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord. Whoever eats meat does so to the Lord, for they give thanks to God; and whoever abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. 7 For none of us lives for ourselves alone, and none of us dies for ourselves alone. 8 If we live, we live for the Lord; and if we die, we die for the Lord. So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord. 9 For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living.

10 You, then, why do you judge your brother or sister[a]? Or why do you treat them with contempt? For we will all stand before God’s judgment seat. 11 It is written:

“‘As surely as I live,’ says the Lord,
‘every knee will bow before me;
every tongue will acknowledge God.’”

12 So then, each of us will give an account of ourselves to God.

13 Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in the way of a brother or sister. 14 I am convinced, being fully persuaded in the Lord Jesus, that nothing is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for that person it is unclean.
 
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Plato was an extravert he philosophised at parties.

That's inconclusive. I'm an extreme introvert, and yet I attend parties. I might even philosophize there if others do.


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Empiricists seem to think that since we are "just atoms" therefore everything is, as they say, "all-good". And, further, they seem to think that anybody that doesn't think that everything is all-good (that nothing is morally wrong) must necessarily be judging them. This is an example of all-or-nothing thinking. It is certainly true that people should not be judged because nobody is "all-bad" but it does not automatically follow that everything and everyone is all-good.

I've never heard ANYBODY make that argument before.


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That inconclusive. I'm an extreme introvert, and yet I attend parties. I might even philosophize there if others do.


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Agree. The term "introvert" is widely misunderstood to mean "shy" and someone who avoids people.

This is wrong on many levels.
 
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Rationalism - Religion-wiki

Empiricism is certainly not wrong but, without rationalism, it is a shallow and incomplete world view. In the purely empirical world view, a person is seen as just a "collection of atoms" and since it is not wrong to use, abuse, or manipulate atoms to one's own ends it is, therefore, not thought morally wrong to use, abuse, or manipulate people to one's own ends. On the surface of it, this almost seems reasonable. After all, we are indeed made entirely of atoms (or some other units that can be modeled mathematically). It fails, however, to take into account the complex emergent phenomena that make a human being so much more than "just atoms". Atoms don't have thoughts, feelings, hopes, dreams, or aspirations but people do. These emergent phenomena may not be empirically observable but they are immediately perceptible to intuition. (Just as one can "hear" things that cannot be "seen").

Empiricists seem to think that since we are "just atoms" therefore everything is, as the saying goes, "all-good". And, further, they seem to think that anybody that doesn't think that everything is all-good (doesn't think that nothing is morally wrong) must necessarily be judging them. This is an example of all-or-nothing thinking. It is certainly true that nothing is a "sin" (nothing is "all-bad") and that people should not be "judged" (because nobody is "all-bad") but it does not automatically follow that everyone and everything is all-good. That is the opposite mistake. (The difference between poo and s*** is that we see the latter as being all bad). Everything is definitely not all-good and anarchy is definitely not freedom.

I suspect that this "it's all good" attitude causes them to be hyper-sensitive so that the slightest rebuff causes them pain. A slightly raised voice is in their minds like a gunshot. Things that a normal healthy person would barely even notice are in their minds vicious unforgivable assaults. I believe this explains their constant defensiveness.


Clearly, being "made of" something (for example atoms) is not the same as "being" something. But this brings up an even deeper issue. What does it mean to "be" something? In the purely empirical world view it doesn't mean anything. In the purely empirical world view names are arbitrary and meaningless labels. This is confusion. (I would compare this to believing that its OK to be a thief as long as you don't steal anything). Words are categories and the phenomenon of Convergent evolution clearly shows that those categories are neither arbitrary nor meaningless.

At this point someone usually interjects "But all information comes to us through our senses therefore all information is empirical". That may be true, but the way we process that information isn't always empirical. Intuition can give true and valid results yet because of its nature it is impossible to prove it to someone else. There is nothing magical about intuition. Intuition is simply the brain using inductive reasoning and massive parallel processing to determine the reasonableness (plausibility) of certain possibilities. You suspend your disbelief long enough to get a "feel" for how well the idea "fits" with everything else you know. Does it conflict with other things you know? Does it require that you make many other assumptions? Or would it, in fact, explain things that would otherwise be unexplained?
 
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Empiricists seem to think that since we are "just atoms" therefore everything is, as the saying goes, "all-good".

I don´t think it´s a particularly good idea to address a philosophy on grounds of what it seems to say, and on grounds of a conclusion which you have totally made up and that doesn´t even follow from what you feel it seems to say.

 
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Empiricists seem to think that since we are "just atoms" therefore everything is, as the saying goes, "all-good".

I don't recall any examples of this in the real world. Your view seems to be a product of someone's imagination, I don't know whose.


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Empiricism is certainly not wrong but, without rationalism, it is a shallow and incomplete world view. In the purely empirical world view, a person is seen as just a "collection of atoms"
You're not aware that the social sciences dealing with human ecology utilize empiricism in their research?
 
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