Correct me if I'm wrong but, this new belief in rapturing (am I spelling this right?) Is the belief that god when the time comes will remove all the "chosen" from the earth. Personally this idea greatly disturbs me. That people would want to run from their communities, family members, childhood friends, comrades , colleges and fellow human race right before the greatest test of their being . It sound cowardly the way it was described to me and if god ever did such a thing to me I would beg him to put me back on earth. I would never let my fellows face hell by themselves
perhaps thats just me. Can someone please explain this rapturing concept to me?
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Rapturing? plz put me back on earth
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It is a single interpretation of Revelations.
Not all believe it.
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Hey theArtist,
The Rapture as I understand it is a time when I believe that God will "catch up" into heaven those who have placed their faith in His Son (i.e. the Church) prior to the Tribulation period. Why? Partly, I believe, is that the whole point of the Tribulation period is not a test for Christians, but a punishment for humanity's sinfulness and rebellion against Him in the lead up to the second coming of Jesus. I believe that just as God provided a way for the salvation of the righteous from His punishment of humanity's wickedness, like Noah, Lot, and many other Biblical characters that He will provide a way for the righteous (saved) in that generation because God's judgement against them has been dealt with at the cross of Calvary. This way, I believe, is the Rapture.
I know that I certainly don't want to be left behind in the Tribulation period because the Bible tells us that unless He shortened the days of that period no one on Earth would survive. According to what I know, demons will be released on Earth to do as they wish and will kill up to 2/3 of the world's population through the various judgements. Because of everything that will happen and everything that people will go through, you think that they would fall on their knees and cry out to God for deliverance, wouldn't you? Yet, in spite of all the death and suffering they will continue to reject God and serve the demons who are causing all the destruction. That is true wickedness and shows just how depraved humanity will become.
Respectfully, I don't believe that you have even an inkling of just how bad it will in the Tribulation period. If you did, then you would certainly not ask God to place you back on Earth.
As an analogy of what you are saying, say that your friend commits murder, what you are saying about the Rapture and staying behind to be with humanity rather than going is that you would take the punishment with your friend that was directed towards your friend for their action.
God is being faithful and good by giving people the time to repent, but when His patience runs out and the Tribulation period starts, people will simply face the consequences of their continued sin and rebellion against God.
I'm not really into the end times, maintaining only a casual intrest, so some of the information that I've written may be incorrect as it is from my understanding of the events that will unfold. I haven't really thoroughly researched it though...
The Rapture as I understand it is a time when I believe that God will "catch up" into heaven those who have placed their faith in His Son (i.e. the Church) prior to the Tribulation period. Why? Partly, I believe, is that the whole point of the Tribulation period is not a test for Christians, but a punishment for humanity's sinfulness and rebellion against Him in the lead up to the second coming of Jesus. I believe that just as God provided a way for the salvation of the righteous from His punishment of humanity's wickedness, like Noah, Lot, and many other Biblical characters that He will provide a way for the righteous (saved) in that generation because God's judgement against them has been dealt with at the cross of Calvary. This way, I believe, is the Rapture.
I know that I certainly don't want to be left behind in the Tribulation period because the Bible tells us that unless He shortened the days of that period no one on Earth would survive. According to what I know, demons will be released on Earth to do as they wish and will kill up to 2/3 of the world's population through the various judgements. Because of everything that will happen and everything that people will go through, you think that they would fall on their knees and cry out to God for deliverance, wouldn't you? Yet, in spite of all the death and suffering they will continue to reject God and serve the demons who are causing all the destruction. That is true wickedness and shows just how depraved humanity will become.
Respectfully, I don't believe that you have even an inkling of just how bad it will in the Tribulation period. If you did, then you would certainly not ask God to place you back on Earth.
As an analogy of what you are saying, say that your friend commits murder, what you are saying about the Rapture and staying behind to be with humanity rather than going is that you would take the punishment with your friend that was directed towards your friend for their action.
God is being faithful and good by giving people the time to repent, but when His patience runs out and the Tribulation period starts, people will simply face the consequences of their continued sin and rebellion against God.
I'm not really into the end times, maintaining only a casual intrest, so some of the information that I've written may be incorrect as it is from my understanding of the events that will unfold. I haven't really thoroughly researched it though...
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Rapture isn't that new a belief, its been around a while.. but the "Left Behind" series have certainly raised its profile a bit.
I don't want to stir up any theological debates here, but be aware there are other sides to the story. I've been taught that God taking his loved ones with him will be neither silent or secret. Instead of God sneaking his ones away before it gets too painful, the Bible describes him as making sure they were cared for but remain on this earth, then he comes with clouds and angels and the whole sound and light show and then he takes the ones who have chosen to go with him and the rest are destroyed along with Satan and this sinful world. God then makes it new and comes and lives with them. God keeps them together till the very end..
Its another side to the story..
I don't want to stir up any theological debates here, but be aware there are other sides to the story. I've been taught that God taking his loved ones with him will be neither silent or secret. Instead of God sneaking his ones away before it gets too painful, the Bible describes him as making sure they were cared for but remain on this earth, then he comes with clouds and angels and the whole sound and light show and then he takes the ones who have chosen to go with him and the rest are destroyed along with Satan and this sinful world. God then makes it new and comes and lives with them. God keeps them together till the very end..
Its another side to the story..
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The Rapture is not a new concept.
Our Lord will be protecting His people.
..... it's going to be a horrific time here on Earth, for those who are "left behind".
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...and just a PS.
I would never try to "scare" someone into believing the Truth. It is His Love that draws people to Him.
But, with that said...
So many are unaware of the anger and Wrath of God !
He is being very patient right now, as He waits on the full number of Gentiles to come into His Kingdom.
When that is accomplished....
look out World !
How long can He be so patient with such a disobedient people?
The Great and Mighty Lord of All.... has some fierce judgement planned for non believers.
Yes, He is Lord of ALL, whether they acknowledge Him as Lord ... or not.
Anway, just really felt like I needed to add this post.
I would never try to "scare" someone into believing the Truth. It is His Love that draws people to Him.
But, with that said...
So many are unaware of the anger and Wrath of God !
He is being very patient right now, as He waits on the full number of Gentiles to come into His Kingdom.
When that is accomplished....
look out World !
How long can He be so patient with such a disobedient people?
The Great and Mighty Lord of All.... has some fierce judgement planned for non believers.
Yes, He is Lord of ALL, whether they acknowledge Him as Lord ... or not.
Anway, just really felt like I needed to add this post.
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There are different interpretations of the timing of the rapture. From what you have said it looks to me that you have been given the Pre-tribulation rapture stance.
While i believe in the rapture i do not believe in the pre-trib rapture doctrine. From scripture I believe the rapture will happen at the return of the Messiah Jesus. Before this time true followers of the Messiah Jesus will go through great tribulation/persecution by the followers of the anti-christ.
Jesus said in this world we would face tribulation but that we should take it with the knowledge we have eternity with God. What the rapture will do is remove up from the wrath of The Word of God that will come upon the earth at the second coming of the Messiah Jesus.
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Within the rapture theology, the people on earth are not necessarily destined for Hell. They continue life on earth, with an ongoing option to welcome God into their lives at any time.
Some of the events predicted have been concerns of scientists and government officials. For instance, the seas and rivers turning to blood have several possible causes that groups are already trying to study and prevent.
Iron from Seismic Activity
"On August 21, 1986 Lake Nyos released massive amounts of carbon dioxide gas that killed 1700 people ...Large amounts of iron ....brought to the surface creating a red precipitate."
http://www.sas.upenn.edu/~tjarvis/505/Lake%20Nyos.htm
More on Lake Nyos event:
http://volcano.und.nodak.edu/vwdocs/volc_images/africa/nyos.html
http://www.geology.sdsu.edu/how_volcanoes_work/Nyos.html
Red Tide
"Storm activity in the Sahara Desert region kicks up fine particles from the arid topsoil there, generating vast clouds of dust. ...The new study shows that these clouds fertilize the water off the West Florida coast with iron.
"Plant-like bacteria use that iron to set the stage for red tides. When iron levels go up, these bacteria, called Trichodesmium, fix nitrogen in the water."
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2001/ast30aug_1.htm
Dinoflagellate algal blooms create "red tides" which can release strong neurotoxins, such as saxitoxin, that can be ingested by shellfish and passed on to humans who eat the infected shellfish. The most significant public health problems caused by harmful algae are:
The water turning red is just one example of event predicted so cryptically and symbolically, which are unfolding with more clarirty as time goes by.
The prophecy was intended to help us prepare. Having an idea of future events helps lend wisdom and stability when chaos around us seems to have no logic or end. But the warnings can also give us direction for how to lighten the harmful effects on people now. It's not just about escapism.
Many people have access to the revelation of John, and many nonbelievers own Bibles -- I believe that his vision was not just for the Christians or the Jews, but for anyone to take in and consider.
Some of the events predicted have been concerns of scientists and government officials. For instance, the seas and rivers turning to blood have several possible causes that groups are already trying to study and prevent.
Iron from Seismic Activity
"On August 21, 1986 Lake Nyos released massive amounts of carbon dioxide gas that killed 1700 people ...Large amounts of iron ....brought to the surface creating a red precipitate."
http://www.sas.upenn.edu/~tjarvis/505/Lake%20Nyos.htm
More on Lake Nyos event:
http://volcano.und.nodak.edu/vwdocs/volc_images/africa/nyos.html
http://www.geology.sdsu.edu/how_volcanoes_work/Nyos.html
Red Tide
"Storm activity in the Sahara Desert region kicks up fine particles from the arid topsoil there, generating vast clouds of dust. ...The new study shows that these clouds fertilize the water off the West Florida coast with iron.
"Plant-like bacteria use that iron to set the stage for red tides. When iron levels go up, these bacteria, called Trichodesmium, fix nitrogen in the water."
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2001/ast30aug_1.htm
Dinoflagellate algal blooms create "red tides" which can release strong neurotoxins, such as saxitoxin, that can be ingested by shellfish and passed on to humans who eat the infected shellfish. The most significant public health problems caused by harmful algae are:
- Amnesic Shellfish Poisoning (ASP)
- Ciguatera Fish Poisoning (CFP)
- Diarrhetic Shellfish Poisoning (DSP)
- Neurotoxic Shellfish Poisoning (NSP)
- Paralytic Shellfish Poisoning (PSP)
The water turning red is just one example of event predicted so cryptically and symbolically, which are unfolding with more clarirty as time goes by.
The prophecy was intended to help us prepare. Having an idea of future events helps lend wisdom and stability when chaos around us seems to have no logic or end. But the warnings can also give us direction for how to lighten the harmful effects on people now. It's not just about escapism.
Many people have access to the revelation of John, and many nonbelievers own Bibles -- I believe that his vision was not just for the Christians or the Jews, but for anyone to take in and consider.
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Tribulations are about suffering through testing, as when precious metals are tested through fire, producing purity.
Wrath is the punishment dealt out by God after all his mercy has been rejected.
Numerous chapters in the Bible (Matthew 24, Revelation 7, for starters) indicate that the Body of Christ will go through the Great Tribulation, but will not have to endure the wrath of God.
By the way events are unfolding before our eyes, it seems that we may be the generation chosen to be "lights of the world" on a planet where love grows increasingly cold.
If this is the case, Christians need not worry about abandoning our loved ones before Great Tribulation starts. We'll be living in it.
Wrath is the punishment dealt out by God after all his mercy has been rejected.
Numerous chapters in the Bible (Matthew 24, Revelation 7, for starters) indicate that the Body of Christ will go through the Great Tribulation, but will not have to endure the wrath of God.
By the way events are unfolding before our eyes, it seems that we may be the generation chosen to be "lights of the world" on a planet where love grows increasingly cold.
If this is the case, Christians need not worry about abandoning our loved ones before Great Tribulation starts. We'll be living in it.
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- 2 Corinthians 12:2
I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth
such an one caught up to the third heaven.
2 Corinthians 12:1-3 (in Context) 2 Corinthians 12 (Whole Chapter) - 2 Corinthians 12:4
How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.
2 Corinthians 12:3-5 (in Context) 2 Corinthians 12 (Whole Chapter) - 1 Thessalonians 4:17
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
1 Thessalonians 4:16-18 (in Context) 1 Thessalonians 4 (Whole Chapter) - Revelation 12:5
And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
Revelation 12:4-6 (in Context) Revelation 12 (Whole Chapter)
caught up , " raptured " leaving only satan and those who he controls behind ...
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