rapture

[Ebb]

and there is not a word spoken by Him of the church leaving before the greatest tribulation that has ever been or ever will be.

I think Luke would beg to differ, as he quotes Christ giving us hope that we will escape:

Luke 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

Luke 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

Christ also spake the parable of the 10 virgins in Matthew 25, which encourages us to be ever watchful:

Matthew 25:13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.

 

[Simon_Templar]

ok,


Generaly I don't have too much disagreement with orthodox sources, and have found them to be pretty good. However, their article, posted in this thread, was pretty inacurate in its information about "the rapture" and the origins of the word rapture.

The word rapture, you may be surprised to know, in this context has nothing to do with trances or 'rapturous' states of mind or any such non sense. In addition to that, it has been said that the word rapture isn't in the bible, but in fact, it is.

The word rapture, like baptism.. salvation, and many other words is one of those that is brought directly into the english language from Latin (although in the case of baptism its greek not latin). The word rapture is a form of the latin verbs Rapio, and Rapto, which mean to sieze quickly, to carry away, or snatch away. This word is in the bible, its just not in the english bible. The latin vulgate translation (which was translated around 1500 years ago) uses the verb rapture in 2nd Thess. when it says "we shall be caught up to meet him". The "cought up" is rapture in latin. In the english translation the word is translated to its english meaning. It simply became a practice to use the latin word to describe it, thus the latin word eventually became part of the english language.

So, the word is not new, its been in use for at least 1500 years, and it is in the bible. Now, The idea of the so called "pre-trib" rapture is new, it does originate in england around 150 years ago out of a group called the plymouth brotherhood. The Plymouth brotherhood returned to the idea of the rapture after it had been supressed and neglected by the catholic church. One of the members, Darby, picked up the idea of the pre-trib rapture during one of his meetings (reportedly from a dream a girl at the meeting had had). Darby started teaching the pre-trib rapture and unfortunately it was his teachings that really caught on in the US. Thus today the vasy majority of the protestant evangelical community is pre-trib. A position which is almost completely without scriptural merit (in my opinion )

 

[FreeinChrist]

One of the members, Darby, picked up the idea of the pre-trib rapture during one of his meetings (reportedly from a dream a girl at the meeting had had). Darby started teaching the pre-trib rapture and unfortunately it was his teachings that really caught on in the US. Thus today the vasy majority of the protestant evangelical community is pre-trib. A position which is almost completely without scriptural merit (in my opinion )

The old Margaret Macdonald thing again.
Margaret macdonald was more of a historicist. Included in here vision is this:
[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"The trial of the Church is from Antichrist. It is by being filled with the Spirit that we shall be kept." Since pretrib sees the church GONE before the Antichrist arives, how can she have given Darby the idea of a pretrib rapture. Darby himself says he came to pretrib through reading scripture. [/font]

 

[FreeinChrist]

I think Luke would beg to differ, as he quotes Christ giving us hope that we will escape:

Luke 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

Luke 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

Christ also spake the parable of the 10 virgins in Matthew 25, which encourages us to be ever watchful:

Matthew 25:13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.

Yep. It is referred to as 'imminency'. He could take us today, so we ought to be living right for Him today, and reaching all that we can for Him.

I beleive Revelation makes it clear, too.
Rev 1:19 Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;The things which John has seen - the vision. The things which are - the 7 churches. the things which shall be hereafter start in Reev. 4:12 and continue into chapter 22, which ends with the things that are.

 

[Tenorvoice]

Also it is Christ Speaking in Revelation when this was said:

REV 3:10 ‘Because you have kept the word of My perseverance, I also will keep you from the hour of testing, that hour which is about to come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.

REV 3:11 ‘ I am coming quickly; hold fast what you have, so that no one will take your crown.

REV 3:12 ‘ He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he will not go out from it anymore; and I will write on him the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God, the new Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God, and My new name.

REV 3:13 ‘ He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.’

This is an exact saying of Jesus Christ about the "raptue" of the Church (and if you look carfully there is NO mention of the Church agian untill Revelation 19 where we are called the Bride of Christ)

Peace