Rape simulator game

[Cabal]

Additionally, I wish my brain would stop trying to think of a deep and immersive plot for a game where the gameplay consists of a sequence of rape scenes. Like, it has rape, but it's also about the human condition and the need for social acceptance, or something on those lines.

Maybe steal the plot of Assassin's Creed and have the thing be an external agency reading the rapist's memory in order to find some crucial bit of information that can't be accessed immediately.

Okay, my brain is really annoying me now. I'm going to go distract it with something.

Hate to break it to you, but there is actually a plot to this game. It also contains two bad endings - if one of the girls gives birth she has you thrown in front of a subway train; or one of them will stab you during one of the rapes.

I really couldn't take this even remotely seriously anymore after I read about that. Seriously, Japan, WTH.

 

[LJSGM]

Are there only men who see this game as acceptable?

Perhaps it is because you have no understanding of what rape is.

To glorify something that thousands of women have been destroyed by, and treat it as a game.

My sister was raped.

There is no way I would just sit back and laugh about it, or not feel that it's replusively and competely evil or to make every effort to get it off the shelves.

OHH BOOO HOOO. Some pervert man out there wouldn't get his jollies off of imagining himself hurt others.

He has my sympathies.

(and it is completely different from killing in a simulation. Men actually do have sexual desires that can be perverted by playing these games. Most people feel numb or that it's not real when they kill someone on the computer because they don't have desires to kill random people. Why they like these games is beyond me.)

 

[The Nihilist]

Rape isn't about sex, it's about power. A guy who's going to do that is going to do that whether he plays a rape game or not. More likely, such a game is going to help him blow off steam.

 

[Jane_the_Bane]

Ewwww, Hentai games!

If you ever want to see what happens to a culture that's absolutely neurotic with regards to sexuality, look at Japan: kissing in public is considered the equivalent of ripping your clothes off and copulating with your partner in the middle of the street, yet at the same time, you can buy used (and unwashed) schoolgirl panties in vending machines. Dancing is considered highly inappropriate, yet at the same time, CEOs hold their annual meeting at a sushi bar where you can eat your food off the body of a naked woman.


I do agree that there's a considerable difference between "ordinary" computer game violence and the stuff this particular game contains. Even in games like GTA, you still play an (anti-)hero; certainly not a role model, but a "good" guy nevertheless. Compare it to a movie, if you will. Vincent and Jules from "Pulp Fiction" are professional killers, and you'd never think of emulating their lifestyle, yet you can relate to them as fictional characters. The average, gun-blazing computer game hero is somewhat like that.

But here, you don't even play an anti-hero. Here, you basically root for the sadistic monster, for the scum of the earth, and orchestrate his actions.
Hey, I'm usually the one who thinks US-Americans are crazy because they care more about nudity and sexuality than about violence. But this game is not about sex. This game is about rape. Not about consensual bondage, or about a woman who plays hard-to-get, only to really like it in the end. Rape. Have you actually read a review about this abominable game? After you've raped your first victim, you blackmail her into giving you access to her two daughters, both of them underage, one of them clearly a child of perhaps ten years. You rape that one in a children's room, with teddy watching, and the programmer even took care to animate tears that show up in your victim's face.

Everything has its limits.

 

[Beanieboy]

Part of the point of meditation is to take that state with you into the world, and I think having a rape simulator, while it is better than real rape, puts your mind in that mind frame to some extent. Studies have been done where they have shown that watching violent movies makes people less compassionate, because they becomed toughened from the violence.

 

[CreedIsChrist]

I wonder what the evolutionists opinion of rape is...

I've met many evolutionists who say rape is a necessary evil and that that the procreation of the animal kingdom is pretty much ruled by it. And hey, we are nothing but monkeys...

Any evolutionists wanna take a bite of this one?

 

[Cabal]

I wonder what the evolutionists opinion of rape is...

I've met many evolutionists who say rape is a necessary evil and that that the procreation of the animal kingdom is pretty much ruled by it. And hey, we are nothing but monkeys...

Any evolutionists wanna take a bite of this one?

Bit offtopic, but anyhoo...

I don't know if I'd use the phrase "necessary evil" - that implies some kind of morality on the part of evolution, which is meaningless - evolution is just a mechanism that gets the job done.

There are some who posit that rape in humans evolved as an alternative mechanism to disseminate genetic information. It's controversial, largely because it's a controversial suggestion, there are some who say that it's possible but there isn't enough evidence for it. The main proponents of the study say that rather than excuse rapists' behaviour, a better understanding of its evolutionary origins might help combat rape better.

I can't say I buy it myself - I can't think of a reason why this would cover homosexual rape as well, but I'm sure someone's thought about that...

 

[PassionFruit]

Rape isn't about sex, it's about power. A guy who's going to do that is going to do that whether he plays a rape game or not. More likely, such a game is going to help him blow off steam.

Thanks for pointing out that rape isn't about sex. A game like this won't make someone go out and rape someone, any more than a violent video game won't make someone commit violent crimes.
But yet, they still seem to be bothersome.

Ewwww, Hentai games!

If you ever want to see what happens to a culture that's absolutely neurotic with regards to sexuality, look at Japan: kissing in public is considered the equivalent of ripping your clothes off and copulating with your partner in the middle of the street, yet at the same time, you can buy used (and unwashed) schoolgirl panties in vending machines. Dancing is considered highly inappropriate, yet at the same time, CEOs hold their annual meeting at a sushi bar where you can eat your food off the body of a naked woman.

I agree with you. Japan is one of those countries who are prudish about sex, but all the things you've mentioned is very true. I used to study Japanese culture when I was in high school because I wanted to learn Japanese.

Are you familiar with lolicon?

But here, you don't even play an anti-hero. Here, you basically root for the sadistic monster, for the scum of the earth, and orchestrate his actions.
Hey, I'm usually the one who thinks US-Americans are crazy because they care more about nudity and sexuality than about violence. But this game is not about sex. This game is about rape. Not about consensual bondage, or about a woman who plays hard-to-get, only to really like it in the end. Rape. Have you actually read a review about this abominable game? After you've raped your first victim, you blackmail her into giving you access to her two daughters, both of them underage, one of them clearly a child of perhaps ten years. You rape that one in a children's room, with teddy watching, and the programmer even took care to animate tears that show up in your victim's face.

I think you've basically summed up the issues I have with this game. There's a discussion about this going on at Feministing Community, and there are issues that have been raised. Such as the issue of rape fantasies. It's has been known for some women to have rape fantasies and I've heard that some have fantasies of raping women. I wanted further expand on that.

But to address your other point about the game being about rape. You're correct about that, the issue I had was the women who are raped look very sexualized, which why I interpreted as rape being the same as sex.

And I second that, Ewww hentai, because it's perversion.

 

[Jane_the_Bane]

I wonder what the evolutionists opinion of rape is...

I've met many evolutionists who say rape is a necessary evil and that that the procreation of the animal kingdom is pretty much ruled by it. And hey, we are nothing but monkeys...

Any evolutionists wanna take a bite of this one?

"Evolutionists", lol!

I doubt you've met any such person, or else completely misunderstood what they were saying to you.

Evolutionary biology describes an "is", not an "ought". If you study why and how a certain mechanism comes to be, that's hardly the same as saying it's MORALLY RIGHT or even MORALLY NECESSARY. Quite the contrary.
So yes, rape has evolved - and so has our almost universally negative reaction to it.

 

[HighwayMan]

Are there only men who see this game as acceptable?

Perhaps it is because you have no understanding of what rape is.

To glorify something that thousands of women have been destroyed by, and treat it as a game.

My sister was raped.

There is no way I would just sit back and laugh about it, or not feel that it's replusively and competely evil or to make every effort to get it off the shelves.

OHH BOOO HOOO. Some pervert man out there wouldn't get his jollies off of imagining himself hurt others.

He has my sympathies.

(and it is completely different from killing in a simulation. Men actually do have sexual desires that can be perverted by playing these games. Most people feel numb or that it's not real when they kill someone on the computer because they don't have desires to kill random people. Why they like these games is beyond me.)

you misunderestimate the level of pent-up blood-thirst many members of society hold.

 

[CyberPaladin]

I'm with you on that it's also reason I won't order anymore anime on ebay the people selling it on there are sick. I order Mobile suit Gundam: the 08th MS Team and Martian Successor Nadesico and next thing I know I'm getting hentai catologues mailed to me.
For those of you who might be reading these that know thing about anime let give you another example it would be like ordering a star trek or star wars dvd off of ebay and the seller starting sending you catologues for porn.

 

[.Sabre.]

Right, but then again, the point of RapeLay is to rape, there's no choice aspect, at least not like in Oblivion; there's no "press X to not rape" option.

While I wouldn't necessarily assume that anyone who plays this game is going to go out and rape someone, I wouldn't exactly look at them the same way if they were really getting into it.

Yeah, I actually agree with that. I think playing a game like RapeLay does say something about the person's attitude. I don't think the game is "OK", but that's due perhaps to my personal issues relating to its subject matter.

 

[Mystman]

I certainly think a game like this goes to far.

It's a lot worse than the "normal" violence in games, which can be divided in a few catagories:

- Counterstrike / Quake / etc type violence: When I play these kinds of games, I may be 'killing' 60 people an hour, but it's really a purely tactical and gameplay thing. These inspire the same amount of violent thoughts as a game of football.

- The games where you kill generic badguys / zombies / monsters / etc. The violent thoughts associated with these games are a very basic human emotion: killing bad guys is fun! As long as you don't recognize any real life human groups as bad guys, this shouldn't be a problem. (granted, since some people DO think that other groups are "bad guys" in real life, these kind of games may not be for them)

- Assassination type game play (rpgs, Hitman, GTA?): you're often given a more or less good reason for killing your victim, or you're just seeing it as another game mechanic (say... in the Hitman games I wasn't thinking "wow murdering people is so cool", but I was trying to do it as "clean" as possible; the game is basically a puzzle game with more atmosphere)

- Fooling around, exploratory gameplay: experimenting with ways in which you can interact with a gameworld is fun. If that experimentation results in the death of a piece of software... no real loss imho.

Or in summary: there are good, non-psychopatic reasons for enjoying games in which you can kill 'people'. (ofcourse, people can also have bad reasons for playing those games. E.g., enjoying the actual feeling of seeing a ragdoll slump to the floor, with the blood coming out, etc)

But good, non-psychopatic reasons for enjoying a game in which you rape a crying 10 year old?

I'd personally vote for a preventive execution of anyone who bought/played that game for 'fun' (people playing it to find out whether it's really as bad as described or something are excused ofcourse).

 

[CyberPaladin]

Look I'm not saying that they should leave the game up but has anyone else consider that by making threads about and running news articles your are in effect promoting to the preverts by letting them know one that it's been made and two what it's name is.

 

[TeddyKGB]

I wonder what the evolutionists opinion of rape is...

Half of the US accepts evolution. Do you really wonder about the opinions of rape held by 150 million people?

I've met many evolutionists who say rape is a necessary evil and that that the procreation of the animal kingdom is pretty much ruled by it.

No, you haven't.

And hey, we are nothing but monkeys...

Wow, you really are a bad listener.

Any evolutionists wanna take a bite of this one?

As soon as you feel like representing us honestly.

 

[Caitlin.ann]

I just can't find it within myself to be "ok" with this game on any level. It, in my opinion, condones rape which I find highly disturbing. Luckily I will never move to Japan and probably never go there. Likewise I don't play video games which involve violence so again not a hypocrite.

 

[Beanieboy]

I've read that Japan's Hentai, and its porn, tend to be on the violent side. I've heard the same from teachers who lived there, saying that you could buy used panties in a vending machine, etc.

What do you think is the cause of that? A society whose emotions are often suppressed, because it is rude to express them?

 

[PassionFruit]

I've read that Japan's Hentai, and its porn, tend to be on the violent side. I've heard the same from teachers who lived there, saying that you could buy used panties in a vending machine, etc.

What do you think is the cause of that? A society whose emotions are often suppressed, because it is rude to express them?

Oh yeah, I mean who'd want to buy panties? I think it's some kind fetish, though.

 

[Chesterton]

I've read that Japan's Hentai, and its porn, tend to be on the violent side. I've heard the same from teachers who lived there, saying that you could buy used panties in a vending machine, etc.

What do you think is the cause of that? A society whose emotions are often suppressed, because it is rude to express them?

Sounds to me like they do more expressing than suppressing.

 

[Jane_the_Bane]

I've read that Japan's Hentai, and its porn, tend to be on the violent side. I've heard the same from teachers who lived there, saying that you could buy used panties in a vending machine, etc.

What do you think is the cause of that? A society whose emotions are often suppressed, because it is rude to express them?

The more sexually repressed a society is, the more - shall we say, "extravagant" outgrowths will blossom in its underground.

There's a good reason why the USA, with their utterly neurotic attitude to the human body in general and sexuality specifically, produce (and consume) more pornography than any other country on the planet. If your sexual impulses are so pent up that you can't even stand the thought of public breast feeding without reacting like an immature teenager, chances are that these impulses will find another outlet.

Or look at Victorian England, if you will: they were so repressed that they even felt the need to cover table legs, lest the symbolic association of bared legs might produce illicit thoughts. At the same time, redlight districts and pornography blossomed like never before in the history of the planet.

Now that I come to think of it, Victorian England and contemporary Japan are very much alike in that regard: publicly, anything pertaining to sexuality is UTTERLY taboo - while below the surface, strange fruits appear.