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I so understand your saying that the seven Churches are ONE BODY of Christ
I was just looking at the wording in these few verses and do see that the seven Chuches are the seven Lamps of fire or seven Spirits of God it seems here when you look closely at them


Rev 1:4John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace [be] unto you, and peace,

from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;

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Rev 3:1And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write;

These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God,

and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.


seven churches /spirits of God and seven stars angels in His right hand ...


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Rev 4:5And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices:

and [there were] seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.
these are the seven candlesticks lamps of fire /churches it seems to me right now ...
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Rev 5:6And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders,

stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns/powers and seven eyes,

which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.Zec 3:9For behold the stone that I have laid before Joshua;

upon one stone [shall be] seven eyes:

behold, I will engrave the graving thereof, saith the LORD of hosts,


and I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day.
Zec 4:10For who hath despised the day of small things? for they shall rejoice,


and shall see the plummet in the hand of Zerubbabel [with] those seven;

they [are] the eyes of the LORD, which run to and fro through the whole earth.



now comparing these also


Dan 10:6His body also [was] like the beryl, and his face as the appearance of lightning,

and his eyes as lamps of fire, and his arms and his feet like in colour to polished brass,

and the voice of his words like the voice of a multitude.

Eze 1:13As for the likeness of the living creatures, their appearance [was] like burning coals of fire,


[and] like the appearance of lamps: it went up and down among the living creatures;

and the fire was bright, and out of the fire went forth lightning.

And the living creatures ran and returned as the appearance of a flash of lightning.


2Cr 5:17Therefore if any man [be] in Christ, [he is] a new creature:

old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new

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Gal 6:15For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing,

nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.

still a mystery to me , but looking into the Spiritual more than just the flesh

I hope this makes some sense to you , I am not clear on these things by any means

God bless C ...
 
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we are to watch and pray .. Mark 13

19For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.
20And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.
21And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not:
22For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.
23But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.
24But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,
25And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.
26And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
27And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.


28Now learn a parable of the fig tree;

When her branch is yet tender,

and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is near:

29So ye in like manner, when ye shall see these things come to pass,

know that it is nigh, even at the doors.


30Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass,

till all these things be done.
31Heaven and earth shall pass away:

but my words shall not pass away.


32But of that day and that hour knoweth no man,

no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
33Take ye heed, watch and pray:

for ye know not when the time is.

34For the Son of Man is as a man taking a far journey,

who left his house, and gave authority to his servants,

and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch.
35Watch ye therefore:

for ye know not when the master of the house cometh,

at even, or at midnight,

or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning:


36Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping. 37And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.
 
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Chickapee wrote:



I so understand your saying that the seven Churches are ONE BODY of Christ
I was just looking at the wording in these few verses and do see that the seven Chuches are the seven Lamps of fire or seven Spirits of God it seems here when you look closely at them


Rev 1:4John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace [be] unto you, and peace,

from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;

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Rev 3:1And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write;

These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God,

and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.


seven churches /spirits of God and seven stars angels in His right hand ...


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Rev 4:5And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices:

and [there were] seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.
these are the seven candlesticks lamps of fire /churches it seems to me right now ...
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Exactly Chickapee. This is all saying the same thing. What makes one church member different from another? What makes one church an “eye” and another a “foot?” It is the diversities of the gifts of the same Spirit. There are seven Spirits but it is one and the same…just “diversities of operations”…in order to build up the body. “Seven” is symbolic of completeness…unity of the Spirit…of the body of Christ. Christ is that life-giving Spirit.

(1 Cor 12:4 KJV) Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.
6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.

It is the same Spirit…but different gifts….to one is given the word of wisdom…to another the word of knowledge….by the same Spirit.

8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.

This is all saying the same thing….many members but of one body….different gifts to each church but they are of the same Spirit.

12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.
13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
14 For the body is not one member, but many.
15 If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
16 And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
17 If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling?

God sets the members in the body of Christ as it pleases Him.

18 But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him.

Not every church has the same function…but they are of the same Spirit…the same body…which is Christ Jesus.

19 And if they were all one member, where were the body?
20 But now are they many members, yet but one body.

The “head” church can’t say to the “feet” church that “I have no need of you.” The churches will be interdependent upon one another.


21 And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.

Which brings me back to Revelation and Paul’s writings. The church of Ephesus is the “head” church that John is addressing. Paul also addresses the “head” church in the epistle of Ephesians….especially those who overcome. This message is especially relevant for today. “Ephesus” means “first.” And those who first hear the revealed Word of Truth in this last day…who first believe the revealing of the Word of Truth….are to be sealed with the Spirit of Wisdom and revelation.

(Eph 1:17 KJV) That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:

They are to grow up in him in all things…grow up into the head which is Christ…to have the mind of Christ. The mind/head controls the body.

(Eph 4:15 KJV) But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:


The whole body is to be joined together by the Spirit....in Christ Jesus. It is to be built in love....to "edify" = to build.


16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.

The “head” is to have the wisdom and revelation of God in order to gather together in ONE all things in Christ. We are to help Him in assembling the rest of the body…the awakening churches…into ONE mind and ONE Spirit. He will give the “head” church that gift of the Spirit…the Word of wisdom.

(Eph 1:9 KJV) Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:
10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:
11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:

Those who will first trust and BELIEVE in the revealed Word of Truth…in Christ…is to be grow up into the “head” of the body….be given the Spirit of wisdom and revelation. Their function will be to help the Lord assemble the rest of the churches into ONE by the preaching of that Word of wisdom.


12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

But this “head” church needs to overcome. They have left their “first love:”

(Rev 2:4 KJV) Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.

The “first love” is God’s wisdom….the principal thing..the first thing:

(Prov 4:5 KJV) Get wisdom, get understanding: forget it not; neither decline from the words of my mouth.

God’s wisdom is the “first love” that we are to have. We are to LOVE HER and not FORSAKE her:


6 Forsake her not, and she shall preserve thee: love her, and she shall keep thee.

God’s wisdom is the principal thing = “first” thing....the "first love."

7 Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding.
8 Exalt her, and she shall promote thee: she shall bring thee to honour, when thou dost embrace her.

She shall give the “HEAD”…the HEAD of the church body…. an ornament of grace…a crown of glory:


9 She shall give to thine head an ornament of grace: a crown of glory shall she deliver to thee.

Those that can overcome of the church of Ephesus will be given to eat of the Tree of Life:

(Rev 2:7 KJV) He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

And what is the Tree of Life? Why wisdom is.

(Prov 3:13 KJV) Happy is the man that findeth wisdom, and the man that getteth understanding.
14 For the merchandise of it is better than the merchandise of silver, and the gain thereof than fine gold.
15 She is more precious than rubies: and all the things thou canst desire are not to be compared unto her.
16 Length of days is in her right hand; and in her left hand riches and honour.
17 Her ways are ways of pleasantness, and all her paths are peace.
18 She is a tree of life to them that lay hold upon her: and happy is every one that retaineth her.


Christ is the head of the church...and those who first trust and believe in the revealed Word of Truth shall grow up into the "head."


(Eph 5:23 KJV) For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.



The "seven churches" are the complete body of Christ. The wisdom and Truth of God shall be revealed through the changing of the Scriptures from the dark corruptible understanding of man to the Light, incorruptible understanding of God. It will be transfigured from the fleshly understanding of man to the spiritual understanding….in the mind of Christ.
 
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In this last Day, the churches are to be “awakened” by the revealing of God’s Truth….the Light of the “morning.” The many in the church who are “asleep” in divisions, hatred, envy and strife are to wake up from their “sleep” and come together as ONE body…putting on the new man…Christ Jesus. We are to be likeminded toward one another….according to Christ Jesus who is that revealed Truth of God.

(Rom 15:5 KJV) Now the God of patience and consolation grant you to be likeminded one toward another according to Christ Jesus:

The churches are to put aside their doctrinal differences…their hatred of one another…and come together as One….with ONE mind and ONE mouth shall we glorify God.

6 That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.

We are to receive one another in Christ. We, the churches, are to be built up into the perfect man….Christ Jesus.

7 Wherefore receive ye one another, as Christ also received us to the glory of God.

But first, we are to forgive one another….our doctrinal quarrels….our hatred…to put aside our denominations that are pitted against each other. We are to be built up in LOVE for one another.

(Col3:13 KJV) Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye.

It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see presently that the churches are NOT of ONE mind and ONE body. The church is currently scattered…like scattered sheep. One argues one way….and another, a different way. But our Lord shall build His church by the divine heavenly revelation of the spiritual Truth. He shall change the Scriptures in our understanding from the natural, literal thinking to the spiritual. Then we shall know Him and His Truth and be able to come together…..in ONE mind…in the mind of Christ….the Truth. The Father in heaven shall reveal His Scripture of Truth to His church.

(Mat 16:17 KJV) And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

It is the “rock” of this heavenly revelation of the Scripture of Truth that the church shall be built upon. And the false prophets shall not prevail against it with their fleshly-minded preaching.

18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Our Father shall give us His knowledge….we can then be preachers of the revealed Truth. We can then be revealers of the hidden knowledge of the Bible. We can then have mastery over His Word ….knowing the spiritual message of God contained in them.

19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

The churches are to awaken to the revealed Truth and come together into ONE body of Christ.

(Heb 10:24 KJV) And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:

We are to be assembled in the revealed Truth….after we have received the knowledge of the Truth. This is NOT speaking of the current preaching of “forsaking the assembling of ourselves together.” Many pastors have preached this verse in error….they have used it to keep their “prisoners” in their “prison.” They have made many conform to their own earthly, covetous thoughts and ways….by using this verse as a sword. This is all about being assembled in the last Day in the revealed Truth…in Christ Jesus. The churches are plainly not assembled in any way shape or form yet….the sheep are scattered.

25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

We are to assemble ourselves into the new man….Christ Jesus…AFTER we have received the knowledge of the Truth. This Word of Truth has to be revealed to us FIRST. Currently, the churches are in a state of chaos not knowing the revealed knowledge of the Truth. The earth is without form and void and darkness is upon the deep.

26 For if we sin wilfullyafter that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

The Lord Jesus…in whom is the Truth…shall call us together by His revelation of the His knowledge. We are to hear His voice through the preaching of the revealed Truth….the Scripture of Truth.

(Eph 4:21 KJV) If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:

The churches are to put off the former behavior of the “old man” of religion who is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts…lusts for the things of this world…lust for bigger church buildings…greater religious vain glory….making a name for ourselves in this world…lusts for greater ministries…for religious merchandise…etc,etc,etc.

22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;

We are to put on the new man….who is created by God in righteousness and TRUE holiness….as compared to what religious man has made for himself.

24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

The churches have been at odds with one another…not speaking the revealed Truth to each other. But in the Truth, we are to be members of one another.

25 Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another.

But not every “church”…the CALLED OUT of Babylon….will have the same function. God will give to each member as He sees fit….for the building (edifying) of the body of Christ.

(Eph 4:11 KJV) And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

The body of Christ is to be built in this last day by the knowledge of the Son of God. We are to be preachers…helpers…with Him. “Edifying” = “building.”

12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

These gifts He will give to the different members of the church shall be for the assembling of the churches into the unity of faith…and of His knowledge…unto a PERFECT MAN……unto the stature of the FULLNESS of Christ. The churches are currently NOT in this state of being….but will be.

13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

Then HENCEFORTH….afterwards….we, the churches, will be NO MORE CHILDREN….which are currently being tossed to and fro by every wind of doctrine that covetous, earthly-minded pastors have been preaching.

14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:

Then we are to be fitly joined together in His Truth…in LOVE…and then we can behave perfectly…coordinately…as ONE BODY. We can then bring the Light to this dark world.

16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.

But first, the Lord sends forth His messengers (angels) of the revealed Truth to preach to the churches….in order to gather them together…into the perfect man. They will preach so that the churches may prepare themselves for Him…so that they may come together in love and unity….in the revealed Truth. They are to gather together from the “four winds”…then they will be no longer children being tossed about by the winds of doctrines.

(Mark 13:27 KJV) And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

Those who “first” (the meaning of “Ephesus”) trust…who first believe…in the revealed Word of Truth shall receive His Spirit of wisdom and revelation. They are to be the “head” of the body in the Spirit. The body shall be gathered together in ONE….in the mind of Christ.

(Eph 1:9 KJV) Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:
10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:
11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.

The revealed Word of Truth shall save us from earthly-minded pastors and their bondage of man’s doctrines. The Truth shall set us free from their “prison” of falsehoods….their grievous preaching and ways.

13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

He shall bless us with all spiritual blessings in the “heavenly places” in Christ. The “heavenly place” is in the head of Christ.

(Eph 1:3 KJV) Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

Jacob saw the metaphor of the gathered together church in the body of Christ. The “ladder” was set up on the earth ….and the “top” of it reached to heaven. The “top” = the “head”…Hebrew word “rosh.” We are to “ascend” in God’s knowledge…into His heavenly wisdom…and be preachers of His wisdom.

(Gen 28:12 KJV) And he dreamed, and behold a ladder set up on the earth, and the top of it reached to heaven: and behold the angels of God ascending and descending on it.

Those in the church who are “dead in sins”….who have been “asleep” to His Truth…to His righteousness…..shall be “quickened together” with the mind of Christ. What wakens us up is the revealing of the Truth.

(Eph 2:4 KJV) But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)

And He shall raise us up together to sit together in “heavenly places” in Christ Jesus. His heavenly wisdom and knowledge shall cause us to assemble together.

6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

We shall be as the “angels” in heaven… “ascending the ladder” of the Truth…messengers of the heavenly wisdom…knowledge. We shall be the “children of the resurrection”….by KNOWING the Scriptures and the power of God.

(Mat 22:29 KJV) Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

(Eph 1:3 KJV) Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

He has chosen the church in Ephesus in Him BEFORE the “foundation” of the world. This is written specifically to the “head” part of the church…to those chosen who will first believe in the revealed Word of Truth. The word “foundation” is the Greek word “katabole” which means “CASTING DOWN.” This current religious “world”…Babylon…will be THROWN DOWN. But He has chosen those of the “head” to know His will before this happens.

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
8 Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence;
9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:
10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

For this current world shall be thrown down….Babylon will be thrown down and we shall no longer be her prisoners.

(Rev 18:21 KJV) And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.
 
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wow ! Yes , you have brought up many of the scriptures that has been on my mind lately
Wisdom is the principal thing!
seeking the Wisdom of God
for what other reason does any serve the Lord ?

Paul says faith , hope and Love are whats needed most Love being the greatest
faith sons of Abraham , Hope in Christ and Love for God
in the seed of Gods blessing and Increase

The Greek word is tokos, literally, "offspring," interest springing out of the principal.

So Wisdom is justified by her Children /off spring !
Pro 4:7Wisdom [is] the principal thing; [therefore] get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding.

He represents the lord of the unprofitable servant as rebuking the sloth in the words, "I should have received mine own with interest" (Matthew 25:27; Luke 19:23
two places here that speak on the talents , pounds /gifts of God to increase with the increase of God , and His own / bought for the price His own blood / a purchased possesion for His purpose or it can be , those idle in the marketplace to work for him .. either or perhaps ...
and Jesus telling those ready to recive Him and His kingdom here this below

19:9 And Jesus said unto him, This day is salvation come to this house, forsomuch as he also is a son of Abraham.
19:10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.
19:11 And as they heard these things, he added and spake a parable, because he was nigh to Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of God should immediately appear.
19:12 He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return.
19:13 And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them, Occupy till I come.
19:14 But his citizens hated him, and sent a message after him, saying, We will not have this man to reign over us.
19:15 And it came to pass, that when he was returned, having received the kingdom, then he commanded these servants to be called unto him, to whom he had given the money, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading.
19:16 Then came the first, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained ten pounds.
19:17 And he said unto him, Well, thou good servant: because thou hast been faithful in a very little, have thou authority over ten cities.
19:18 And the second came, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained five pounds.
19:19 And he said likewise to him, Be thou also over five cities.
19:20 And another came, saying, Lord, behold, here is thy pound, which I have kept laid up in a napkin:
19:21 For I feared thee, because thou art an austere man: thou takest up that thou layedst not down, and reapest that thou didst not sow.
19:22 And he saith unto him, Out of thine own mouth will I judge thee, thou wicked servant. Thou knewest that I was an austere man, taking up that I laid not down, and reaping that I did not sow:[ the increase of God remember love mixed with faith works with hope being what keeps us going ]
19:23 Wherefore then gavest not thou my money into the bank, that at my coming I might have required mine own with usury?
19:24 And he said unto them that stood by, Take from him the pound, and give it to him that hath ten pounds.
19:25 (And they said unto him, Lord, he hath ten pounds.)
19:26 For I say unto you, That unto every one which hath shall be given; and from him that hath not, even that he hath shall be taken away from him.
19:27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.
19:28 And when he had thus spoken, he went before, ascending up to Jerusalem
I see those enemies that are striving against Jerusalem is a foolish thing
 
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(Rev 2:4 KJV) Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.

The “first love” is God’s wisdom….the principal thing..the first thing:

(Prov 4:5 KJV) Get wisdom, get understanding: forget it not; neither decline from the words of my mouth.

God’s wisdom is the “first love” that we are to have. We are to LOVE HER and not FORSAKE her:


6 Forsake her not, and she shall preserve thee: love her, and she shall keep thee.

God’s wisdom is the principal thing = “first” thing....the "first love."

7 Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding.
8 Exalt her, and she shall promote thee: she shall bring thee to honour, when thou dost embrace her.

She shall give the “HEAD”…the HEAD of the church body…. an ornament of grace…a crown of glory:


9 She shall give to thine head an ornament of grace: a crown of glory shall she deliver to thee.

Those that can overcome of the church of Ephesus will be given to eat of the Tree of Life:

(Rev 2:7 KJV) He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

And what is the Tree of Life? Why wisdom is.

(Prov 3:13 KJV) Happy is the man that findeth wisdom, and the man that getteth understanding.
14 For the merchandise of it is better than the merchandise of silver, and the gain thereof than fine gold.
15 She is more precious than rubies: and all the things thou canst desire are not to be compared unto her.
16 Length of days is in her right hand; and in her left hand riches and honour.
17 Her ways are ways of pleasantness, and all her paths are peace.
18 She is a tree of life to them that lay hold upon her: and happy is every one that retaineth her.


Christ is the head of the church...and those who first trust and believe in the revealed Word of Truth shall grow up into the "head."


(Eph 5:23 KJV) For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
this is just awesome and I understand what you have said !
So many more scriptures comes to mind !!

this is what Spiritual birthing the sons of God is all about as God is giving the increase
Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child.
Isa 66:6 A voice of noise from the city, a voice from the temple, a voice of the LORD that rendereth recompence to his enemies.

Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? [or] shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children. !
Isa 66:9Shall I bring to the birth, and not cause to bring forth? saith the LORD: shall I cause to bring forth, and shut [the womb]? saith thy God.Rejoice ye with Jerusalem, and be glad with her, all ye that love her: rejoice for joy with her, all ye that mourn for her:
Rev 12:5And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and [to] his throne. I see it but have not put it all together right
but whooo hoooo!!!!
this is great Bro W!!!

IN JESUS PEACE .. C
 
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Amen Chickapee…it is just like a child birth! Which part of the baby comes out first? In most births, the HEAD comes out first…then the rest of the body. We are to be born of heavenly wisdom…God’s wisdom…which is the “mother” to us all. Her children are to be free of man’s doctrines and commandments. The Truth shall set us free from their “prison.” Heavenly wisdom has been in “birth pangs” as many in the church have been enslaved by earthy-minded pastors. False prophets have brought hatred and division to the churches….they have brought envy and strife…..all these things have been the beginning of “sorrows”….or “birth pangs.” They have caused the “daily sacrifice” of loving one another to cease for many….the love of the “many” have waxed cold. Only the “few” have been spared from the teachings of false prophets which bite those who give heed to them. Only the “few” have found true life by loving one another…while the love of the “many” has grown cold.

(Mat 24:7 KJV) For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

Sorrows = birth pangs.

8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

The “many” have been led down the wide path to ruin….hatred, divisions, envy and strife…by false prophets….pastors that only feed themselves. But as stated before, the “few” who continue to love one another are not to sorrow over the “many” who have fallen “asleep.” The Lord shall bring them back to “life” again with the revealing of the Scripture of Truth. With His preaching of the eternal gospel, the many shall be delivered. Those that are “asleep” in the “dust” of man’s earthly interpretations of the Bible shall be “awakened” by the revealing of God’s wisdom.

(1 Th 4:13 KJV) But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.


Like Jesus, the "many" who have fallen "asleep" shall "rise again"...in the resurrection of the Truth. Jesus...the Truth...is the resurrection.


14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

The Truth has been hidden….Christ Jesus is the Truth.

(John 16:19 KJV) Now Jesus knew that they were desirous to ask him, and said unto them, Do ye inquire among yourselves of that I said, A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me?

While the “world”….the earthly-minded pastors and their religious system of Babylon…have rejoiced in their works of darkness…in their riches, His disciples have been “sorrowful” in this time when the many have fallen asleep. But the “few” shall have their sorrow turned into joy….for the Lord shall reveal His heavenly wisdom. God’s wisdom shall give “birth” to a church that will be of ONE mind and ONE body. The church shall be assembled in His heavenly revelation of the knowledge of the Truth….the church shall put on the “new man”….Christ Jesus. There shall be JOY!

20 Verily, verily, I say unto you, That ye shall weep and lament, but the world shall rejoice: and ye shall be sorrowful, but your sorrow shall be turned into joy.
21 A woman when she is in travail hath sorrow, because her hour is come: but as soon as she is delivered of the child, she remembereth no more the anguish, for joy that a man is born into the world.

Our hearts shall rejoice in this revealing of the Truth…we shall rejoice in ONE mind and ONE body. No longer will a man take our joy from us….earthly-minded pastors and church leaders will no longer take the fruits of the Spirit away from the sheep. They shall no longer rob the poor in Spirit of the love for each other, the joy, the patience, the righteousness of God.

22 And ye now therefore have sorrow: but I will see you again, and your heart shall rejoice, and your joy no man taketh from you.
23 And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.
24 Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name: ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full.

No longer will the Bible be spoken in proverbs….but the time comes when Jesus shall speak the Scripture of Truth plainly. He shall preach to us the revealed Word of Truth.

25 These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall show you plainly of the Father.

Heavenly wisdom shall give birth to the “son of the right hand”….. the meaning of “Benjamin.” The church shall be born of above after a “hard labor.” But the church shall no longer be named “Benoni”…the “son of my sorrow”….but it shall become the son of the right hand…in Christ Jesus.

(Gen 35:16 KJV) And they journeyed from Bethel; and there was but a little way to come to Ephrath: and Rachel travailed, and she had hard labour.
17 And it came to pass, when she was in hard labour, that the midwife said unto her, Fear not; thou shalt have this son also.
18 And it came to pass, as her soul was in departing, (for she died) that she called his name Benoni: but his father called him Benjamin.

The Scriptures have been on the tongues of “snakes”….earthly-minded pastors have used them to preach erroneously….with their misinterpretations of the Word of God. They have wrested the Scriptures for unjust gain. They have struck the “many”….the people of the church…with their poisonous teachings like “snakes”….like the stings of scorpions. Their tongues have brought a “world of iniquity” into the church. They have defiled the “whole body” of the church with their teachings of falsehoods.

(James 3:6 KJV) And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell.

They….the earthly-minded pastors…the preachers of falsehoods….are comparable to wild beasts, birds of the air, serpents and things in the sea. Their tongues are full of “deadly poison” that brings divisions, hatred, envy and strife within the churches.

7 For every kind of beasts, and of birds, and of serpents, and of things in the sea, is tamed, and hath been tamed of mankind:
8 But the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison.

But the Lord shall give us power to tread on “serpents” and scorpions. The power of the enemy shall not hurt us. Earthly-minded pastors will not prevail against the preaching of the revealed Truth of God.

(Luke 10:19 KJV) Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.

The “serpents” have used the Scriptures in their earthly understanding to “poison” the many with their covetous teachings. The “rod” that is “cast upon the ground” of man’s earthly understanding becomes a “serpent.”

(Exo 4:1 KJV) And Moses answered and said, But, behold, they will not believe me, nor hearken unto my voice: for they will say, The LORD hath not appeared unto thee.

The “few” who have followed the Lord’s voice, by loving one another, have fled from the face of the “serpent”….from the voice of strangers who want to strike with their poisonous , earthly (ground) teachings. They have fled like Moses.

2 And the LORD said unto him, What is that in thine hand? And he said, A rod.
3 And he said, Cast it on the ground. And he cast it on the ground, and it became a serpent; and Moses fled from before it.

But the same Scriptures, that have been wrested by the earthly-minded, snake-like teachers, become a “rod” in His hand…the Branch. Christ Jesus is that Truth….he is the “Branch.” We shall know the Scriptures plainly…not in proverbs….we shall know the power of God and we shall have power over the enemy.

4 And the LORD said unto Moses, Put forth thine hand, and take it by the tail. And he put forth his hand, and caught it, and it became a rod in his hand:

Then the church can be assembled in the Truth....with the "rod" of the Truth in our hands...in the power of God. The churches have been in a “great and terrible” wilderness…..where there has been “fiery serpents and scorpions”….false prophets. There has been no “water” in their teachings…no water of life. But our Lord shall give us His heavenly water of Life. The Scriptures shall give forth His knowledge.

(Deu 8:15 KJV) Who led thee through that great and terrible wilderness, wherein were fiery serpents, and scorpions, and drought, where there was no water; who brought thee forth water out of the rock of flint;

Just as Jesus, the church has been driven into the “wilderness” ….a “wilderness” where there is “drought”…where there is no Truth being preached. It has been driven into a “wilderness” where there are “wild beasts”….pastors and church leaders who want to devour the church with their false teachings. It has been tempted of Satan…and many have fallen. Only Jesus is without sin. The messengers of the Truth shall minister unto Him....we shall be preachers of the revealed Truth.

(Mark 1:12 KJV) And immediately the Spirit driveth him into the wilderness.
13 And he was there in the wilderness forty days, tempted of Satan; and was with the wild beasts; and the angels ministered unto him.

The church has been in a “prison”…but our Lord comes to preach the eternal gospel….the gospel of salvation…of deliverance….the gospel of the kingdom of God where the Truth rules.

14 Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,

When we hear this preaching in this last day, we are to repent….to change our minds….and BELIEVE His gospel. The Truth shall set us free.

15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.


We shall rule in Christ Jesus...with a "rod of iron." We shall have power over the enemy. .



(Rev 12:5 KJV) And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
 
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wow ! lovely Wheeler ,
I so agree... I has just read Luke 10 and this part goes with the rod of iron and power over the enemies .........
17The seventy returned with joy, saying, "Lord, even (W)the demons are subject to us in Your name."

18And He said to them, "I was watching (X)Satan fall from heaven like lightning.
19"Behold, I have given you authority to (Y)tread on serpents and scorpions,

and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing will injure you.
20"Nevertheless do not rejoice in this, that the spirits are subject to you,

but rejoice that (Z)your names are recorded in heaven."

THE LAMBS BOOK OF LIFE !

21(AA)At that very time He rejoiced greatly in the Holy Spirit, and said,



"I praise You, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth,

that You have hidden these things from the wise and intelligent and have revealed them to infants.

Yes, Father, for this way was well-pleasing in Your sight.


22"(AB)All things have been handed over to Me by My Father,

and (AC)no one knows who the Son is except the Father,

and who the Father is except the Son, and anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal Him."


23(AD)Turning to the disciples, He said privately,

"Blessed are the eyes which see the things you see,

24for I say to you, that many prophets and kings wished to see the things which you see,

and did not see them, and to hear the things which you hear, and did not hear them."



Just awesome ! in His holy peace C ...
 
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Amen Chickapee...those are great scriptures!





Death and life are in the power of the tongue:

(Prov 18:21 KJV) Death and life are in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof.

Earthly-minded men preach out of their carnal thinking….to be carnally minded is “death”….and those who listen to them are “asleep” to righteousness. Their thoughts and ways bring hatred and division into the churches.

(Rom 8:5 KJV) For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

The preaching of fleshly-minded men is like the poison of a serpent. Their preaching is their “food” that they fill their bellies with…..it is “dust”…earthly things that they do mind. They wrest the Scriptures in their earthly thinking in order to obtain the goals of their covetousness.

(Gen 3:14 KJV) And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

Their preaching causes divisions and offenses in the body of the church. They serve not our Lord Jesus Christ but only their own “belly.” We are to “mark them:”

(Rom 16:17 KJV) Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

Their “good words and fair speeches” are the “poison” of the tongue….poison of the serpent…that deceives the hearts of the simple. The power of “death” is in their tongue.

18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.

But our Lord Jesus Christ comes to deliver us from such men…he comes to release His church from the power of darkness….from Satan’s kingdom of dust.

(1 Cor 15:54 KJV) So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

Then will the saying come in …. “ O death, where is thy sting?” Where is thy poison? “Death” is the carnal mind…and the works that come from it…such as hatred of our brothers over dusty, carnal doctrinal differences. Carnally-thinking man’s preaching is the “grave” that many have been “asleep” in. The sting of “death” is sin….it brings hatred, divisions, blasphemies, strife and envy into the church. “Sin” is missing the mark of the Truth. When one misinterprets the Scriptures, one has missed the mark of the hidden Truth that they are meant to speak. When man speaks with his own understanding, he speaks like the serpent…and his teachings are poison to those who fall victim to them.

55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

But our Lord comes to reveal His knowledge to us…so that we may see how wrong man has been when it comes to the interpretation of the Word of God. He gives us the power to overcome….He gives us the victory THROUGH our Lord Jesus Christ….who is the revealed Truth.

57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

And those who will hear His voice preaching the revealed Truth are to awaken to His righteousness….to leave the “grave” of man’s carnal preaching. The “many” shall awake from the sleep they have been in …..the sleeping in the dust of earthly-mindedness.

(Dan 12:2 KJV) And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.
4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
 
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Dan 12:2 KJV) And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.
4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

AMEN! These are great wow!!

in Daniel they are sealed and in Revelation the seals are opened

so when the 7 angels speak the seals are opened first one here by the Lamb
Rev 6:1And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals,

and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.

:5And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda,


the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.


Rev 5:1And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written

within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.


Rev 10:3And cried with a loud voice, as [when] a lion roareth:


and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices.

Rev 10:4And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices,

I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me,

Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.

Rev 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound,


the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.


and now we have this !!!

Rev 22:10And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.
this is just awesome !
I just do not know how to write very well
God is great ! C
 
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It is God’s knowledge that is revealed in the “book” that will “awaken” the many from their “sleep.” The words have been “shut up”….the Bible has been sealed from man’s spiritual understanding until the time of the end……and then His knowledge shall be increased…it shall be revealed…..the revelation of Christ Jesus who is the Truth. The many in the churches have only been “asleep”….a temporary condition.

(Dan 12:2 KJV) And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

They shall be awakened to righteousness by the preaching of the revealed Word of Truth.

3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.
4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

The many who have fallen asleep shall awake to His righteousness and will no longer miss the mark of the Truth (sin.) They shall awaken with the KNOWLEDGE of God that is revealed in the Scripture of Truth.

(1 Cor 15:34 KJV) Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.

This is all about UNDERSTANDING. Just like Daniel, we have all “heard” but not understood….for the Word has been closed up and sealed. But our Lord unseals the Book for our understanding.

(Dan 12:8 KJV) And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?
9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

The “many” who have fallen asleep shall be purified and made white….true righteousness. The wise shall UNDERSTAND. The wicked shall not understand because they will love their works of darkness more than the Light of the knowledge of God. They will love “sleep.”

10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

By God’s knowledge shall the “many” who have fallen asleep be justified. They shall awaken to the revealing of the Truth and BELIEVE and be saved. Their sins…their missing of the mark….shall be forgiven them. We have all done things in ignorance of the Truth.

(Isa 53:11 KJV) He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

He bares the sin of the “many” who have fallen asleep to righteousness.

12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

It is the “many” who have gone through the wide gate….being deceived by false prophets…false biblical teachings of covetous men. But our Lord comes to open the Scriptures to our understanding and save His people who have fallen asleep....who have entered through the the way of ruin...hatred, divisions, envy and strife.

(Mat 7:13 KJV) Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

We are to come to the Light of the knowledge of God and be saved. We are not to love “sleep”….our works of darkness. Those that will refuse His knowledge shall come to “poverty.” We are to open the eyes of our understanding and be satisfied with the revealed Word of God…..with the Bread that comes from heaven.

(Prov 20:13 KJV) Love not sleep, lest thou come to poverty; open thine eyes, and thou shalt be satisfied with bread.

The Lamb opens the seals….the Word of God is revealed to our understanding….and we are to “come and SEE.” We are to understand all the things that the churches have been through....the judgments of God shall be revealed to us. The darkness has been upon the deep....but the Light of God's knowledge shall appear to us....knowledge shall be increased.

(Rev 6:1 KJV) And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.

Those that will open the eyes of our understanding in this day of revelation …and BELIEVE…shall be given the Spirit of Wisdom and revelation in the KNOWLEDGE of Him.

(Eph 1:17 KJV) That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:


They eyes of our understanding shall open…being enlightened….we are to “come and see” His glory that will shine in the Scripture of Truth and in our lives. We shall KNOW what is the hope of His calling. We are to be the “wise” who will preach to others…leading them to His righteousness. We shall shine as the stars in the preaching of His Truth.

18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,

We are to BELIEVE in His knowledge….in His Truth that will be revealed before our very eyes.

19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,
20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,
21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:
22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,
23 Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.

The many shall awake to righteousness and sin no more.

2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins:
2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
 
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Our Lord Jesus Christ is the Truth, the Life and the Way of righteousness. He comes to reveal the Word of Truth to us….he comes to reveal the knowledge of God that has been hidden in the Scriptures. He comes to open up the Scriptures to our understanding….just as he did with his disciples:

(Luke 24:44 KJV) And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

The revelation of Christ Jesus is the opening up of the sealed Book….the Scriptures. Rather, he comes to open up our understanding of that Book.

45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

Religious man has wrested the Scriptures in his carnal mind….only looking at the outward appearance of the writings. This wresting has brought the sword of strife, envy, division and hatred into the churches. The carnal interpretations of the Bible by man have brought the “famine”…it has brought “death”…hatred and divisions within the churches. The church has suffered a type of “death” …but it is to rise up…be awakened by the preaching of the revealed Truth…just as Jesus showed us. The Scriptures have suffered in our carnal minds….in our earthly thoughts and ways….but the Scripture of Truth shall be revealed…which will save us from our sins….our missing of the mark of that Truth.

46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

The preaching in His name is for today…for His church. The church is to repent….to change the mind…from the carnal to the spiritual.

47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
48 And ye are witnesses of these things.

To be carnally-minded is “death” but to be spiritually minded is life and peace in God.

(Rom 8:6 KJV) For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

The carnal mind interprets the Scriptures by the outward letter….not seeing the hidden…the invisible Truth that is contained in them. The carnal mind brings “death” …hatred and divisions into the churches. The carnal mind is not subject to the law of God…..TO LOVE ONE ANOTHER.

7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

But the “dead” shall rise up ….by His revealed Word of Truth…by believing in that Word. Those who are to awaken are then to pass from this “death” of hating one another over carnally-minded doctrines unto life….spiritual mindedness…love and peace.

(John 5:24 KJV) Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;
27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

We shall know that we have passed from “death” unto life by the love we will have for each other…..the unfeigned love for one another.

(1 John 3:14 KJV) We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.
15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

We are to lay down our carnal theological differences….forgiving one another. We are to assemble together in His Word of Truth. We are to lay down our religious, denominational lives in order to have true life within us.

16 Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.

We, as a church, have received by tradition vanity by the church fathers. Their carnal thoughts and ways…their doctrines and commandments….are corruptible.

(1 Pet 1:18 KJV) Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;

Our Lord shall cleanse us from these things….in the great “awakening” of His people.

19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

He is the Truth that shall be manifest in these last times for us. By His knowledge shall many be saved….be cleansed from their carnal minds and ways….to pass from death unto true life in Christ.

20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.

When we hear the revealed Word of Truth, we are to purify our souls…in obeying the Truth through the Spirit….unto unfeigned love of each other. We shall pass from “death” unto life by loving one another with a PURE heart fervently. No more denominations…and squabbling over carnal interpretations of the Bible.

22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:

We are to be born again…of heavenly wisdom which is incorruptible…the heavenly interpretation of the Word of God. Man’s carnal…outward-looking…interpretation of the Scriptures is what is corruptible. Man’s leaning upon his own earthly understanding is what is corruptible. All man’s glory shall pass away.

23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:
25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.
2:1 Wherefore laying aside all malice, and all guile, and hypocrisies, and envies, and all evil speakings,
2 As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:
3 If so be ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious.


He comes to open up our understanding....in the volume of the Book. Our ears are to be opened....our eyes are to be healed of our blindness...our lameness is to be healed so that we may walk in His Way of righteousness. We shall all know Him by the revealing of His knowledge in the "volume of the Book"...that is to be unsealed for our understanding.

(Psa 40:6 KJV) Sacrifice and offering thou didst not desire; mine ears hast thou opened: burnt offering and sin offering hast thou not required.
7 Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of me,
8 I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart.
9 I have preached righteousness in the great congregation: lo, I have not refrained my lips, O LORD, thou knowest.
10 I have not hid thy righteousness within my heart; I have declared thy faithfulness and thy salvation: I have not concealed thy lovingkindness and thy truth from the great congregation.
11 Withhold not thou thy tender mercies from me, O LORD: let thy lovingkindness and thy truth continually preserve me.
 
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It is God’s knowledge that is revealed in the “book” that will “awaken” the many from their “sleep.” The words have been “shut up”….the Bible has been sealed from man’s spiritual understanding until the time of the end……and then His knowledge shall be increased…it shall be revealed…..the revelation of Christ Jesus who is the Truth. The many in the churches have only been “asleep”….a temporary condition.

(Dan 12:2 KJV) And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

They shall be awakened to righteousness by the preaching of the revealed Word of Truth.

3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.
4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

The many who have fallen asleep shall awake to His righteousness and will no longer miss the mark of the Truth (sin.) They shall awaken with the KNOWLEDGE of God that is revealed in the Scripture of Truth.

(1 Cor 15:34 KJV) Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.

This is all about UNDERSTANDING. Just like Daniel, we have all “heard” but not understood….for the Word has been closed up and sealed. But our Lord unseals the Book for our understanding.

(Dan 12:8 KJV) And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?
9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

The “many” who have fallen asleep shall be purified and made white….true righteousness. The wise shall UNDERSTAND. The wicked shall not understand because they will love their works of darkness more than the Light of the knowledge of God. They will love “sleep.”

10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

By God’s knowledge shall the “many” who have fallen asleep be justified. They shall awaken to the revealing of the Truth and BELIEVE and be saved. Their sins…their missing of the mark….shall be forgiven them. We have all done things in ignorance of the Truth.

(Isa 53:11 KJV) He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

He bares the sin of the “many” who have fallen asleep to righteousness.

12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

It is the “many” who have gone through the wide gate….being deceived by false prophets…false biblical teachings of covetous men. But our Lord comes to open the Scriptures to our understanding and save His people who have fallen asleep....who have entered through the the way of ruin...hatred, divisions, envy and strife.

(Mat 7:13 KJV) Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

We are to come to the Light of the knowledge of God and be saved. We are not to love “sleep”….our works of darkness. Those that will refuse His knowledge shall come to “poverty.” We are to open the eyes of our understanding and be satisfied with the revealed Word of God…..with the Bread that comes from heaven.

Hi Wheeler
Truth is I have a very hard time putting in words what the Holy Spirit reveals in scriptures , they do come alive and move within me I have such joy in them ..
I agree that understanding is what we have to be blessed with in Gods Wisdom

the devils know the Lord Jesus and trembled at his presence , they showed faith because they did believe Jesus was the SON OF THE HOLY FATHER , many do not even show the fear of God who claim to be Gods children , but lie . BUT this chapter is about faith with good works and good deeds which no demon ever has done they never show mercy . to me that is the very core of James Chapter 2 its about showing mercy and good deeds by faith in Jesus Christ and in His presence we will not be ashamed and hide and tremble and be in fear of destruction when He comes , the scriptures also tell us that

many places we can see this very occurance James 2 says


19You believe that God is one You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder.
now we see the belief and even fear of the Lord in the devils but the deeds only show the fear of torment and their own destruction by HIS PRESENCE

matt 8;29 29And they cried out, saying, "What business do we have with each other, Son of God? Have You come here to torment us before the time?" Mark 1;24 4saying, "What business do we have with each other, Jesus of Nazareth? Have You come to destroy us? I know who You are--the Holy One of God!"
Mark 5 ;7 7and shouting with a loud voice, he said, "What business do we have with each other, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? I implore You by God, do not torment me!"

My point is I am seeing things I never saw before in the Holy Word and Holy Spirit and very hard to explain to anyone , yet I do not want to be the unprofitable servant who buries the Truth in the earth

what I have seen in the seven Churches are this ,
that they are in Jesus right hand , this is the power and authority to Judge and show mercy and the rewards are with Him
each recieves chastening and correction and counsel from HIM AND REWARD FOR DOING WHAT IS RIGHT in the Sight of God which is more of Him , His wisdom and understanding , might and blessing , honor and glory to be known of Him in all the earth as it is in heaven .
also the warnings of what will happen for disobedience

we are told in scripture and by the VOICE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT / JESUS Father to hear it means to understand it by faith with those works of obedience that the chasteing is hard and is painful
yet we must go though this to even be called Sons of God
our faith is put to the test and our deeds are judged by how we believe Gods Son

I have thought on this for a few days now , and just do not know how to express in words what is stirring within my soul
but this effort is the best way I know how to share it .and thankful to God for the opportunity , with a dear brother in the Lord
praying for mercy on us all ,to Know Him in ways we have never known before and to keep the faith and Hope and Love alive within us that is the Lord's mighty working in the earth .

Gods blessing and praise to you and yours this day C .
 
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Indeed, we must bear fruits of the Spirit after we have received the knowledge of the revealed Truth. We must be fruitful with His knowledge. LOVE is the main fruit of the Spirit…we must love God with all of our hearts, minds and souls….and love one another. Even though we may understand all the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven and have not love….we are nothing. Even though we have all faith but have not love, we are nothing.

(1 Cor 13:2 KJV) And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.

Even though we may do all good works in this life but have no love, we are nothing.

3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.
4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.

We are to HEAR the revealed Word of God in this last day and DO IT.

(Luke 8:21 KJV) And he answered and said unto them, My mother and my brethren are these which hear the word of God, and do it.

Again, we must bring forth fruits of repentance to the Truth.

(Acts 26:20 KJV) But showed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.

We are to hear the revealed Word in this last day and KEEP IT and bring forth FRUIT with patience.

(Luke 8:15 KJV) But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience.

We are to share the revealed Word with others….not hide it from our own people. We are to put it out there so they may also see the Light of Christ.

16 No man, when he hath lighted a candle, covereth it with a vessel, or putteth it under a bed; but setteth it on a candlestick, that they which enter in may see the light.


We are to love others by preaching the Light of Christ to them…to let them free of their bondage to man’s doctrines and commandments.

(Isa 58:6 KJV) Is not this the fast that I have chosen? to loose the bands of wickedness, to undo the heavy burdens, and to let the oppressed go free, and that ye break every yoke?

Now obviously we are to take care of the literal poor….no doubt. But this is a spiritual message as well. We are to deal the “bread” of heaven to those who know not the revealed Truth……the truly poor. When we have the revealed Truth within us, we are to share it with others. When we see our brothers and sisters without love…without righteousness…without peace in their lives, we are to share the Light of Christ with them so that they too can be “covered.”

7 Is it not to deal thy bread to the hungry, and that thou bring the poor that are cast out to thy house? when thou seest the naked, that thou cover him; and that thou hide not thyself from thine own flesh?

By dealing the bread of the revealed Truth, then our light shall break forth as the morning….the glory of the Lord shall be our reward.

8 Then shall thy light break forth as the morning, and thine health shall spring forth speedily: and thy righteousness shall go before thee; the glory of the LORD shall be thy rereward.
9 Then shalt thou call, and the LORD shall answer; thou shalt cry, and he shall say, Here I am. If thou take away from the midst of thee the yoke, the putting forth of the finger, and speaking vanity;

If we share the revealed Word of Truth with others….feeding them, then our light shall rise…we shall be like watered gardens….like springs of water….the living water of the Truth.

10 And if thou draw out thy soul to the hungry, and satisfy the afflicted soul; then shall thy light rise in obscurity, and thy darkness be as the noon day:
11 And the LORD shall guide thee continually, and satisfy thy soul in drought, and make fat thy bones: and thou shalt be like a watered garden, and like a spring of water, whose waters fail not.

We are to give the “bread” of the revealed Truth to those who hunger for righteousness….who are spiritually starved.

(Prov 22:9 KJV) He that hath a bountiful eye shall be blessed; for he giveth of his bread to the poor.

We are to love our enemies as well….we are to feed them with the revealed Truth as well….even though they may not believe or do the Truth.


(Prov 25:21 KJV) If thine enemy be hungry, give him bread to eat; and if he be thirsty, give him water to drink:
22 For thou shalt heap coals of fire upon his head, and the LORD shall reward thee.

We are to “cast our bread upon the waters”….share the revealed Truth with our fellow man (the waters.) The Lord shall reward us in doing so.

(Eccl 11:1 KJV) Cast thy bread upon the waters: for thou shalt find it after many days.

When we share the revealed Truth with others….we are “feeding” them…we are “clothing” them….we are giving living “water” to the thirsty….we are visiting them in their “prison” to let them go from the oppression of covetous preachers. When we do this for fellow Christians, we are doing to Him.

(Mat 25:34 KJV) Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35 For I was an hungered, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungered, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

We are to be His fountains of living water….to share His Truth that has been revealed to us. We are NOT to withhold this from others.

(Prov 11:25 KJV) The liberal soul shall be made fat: and he that watereth shall be watered also himself.

We are NOT to withhold the “corn” of the Truth from the people. We are not to hide His Truth in the earth. We are to be His preachers of the Truth in this last day….to lovingly share it with those “poor” in Spirit who need to hear it.

26 He that withholdeth corn, the people shall curse him: but blessing shall be upon the head of him that selleth it.

In the LAST DAY….there shall be a “great day of the feast”….in which Jesus comes to reveal the knowledge of God from the Scriptures. Those that would believe in His preaching shall have rivers of living water from them. The Spirit of Truth shall show us all things….and we are to share what has been revealed to us with others….showing love for the “poor” ….with the “thirsty”…with the “hungry.”

(John 7:37 KJV) In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.

Jesus will interpret the Scriptures for us….his preaching is Truth.

38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)
40 Many of the people therefore, when they heard this saying, said, Of a truth this is the Prophet.
 
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I agree them scriptures are timely ! Wheeler Love is the greatest thing ever
in being loving , we also will Know the Father and Son and His love

it is God alone who gives the increase , and this is what we all need more

than anything , But Jesus warning of the love of many will wax cold

because iniquity /sin / lawlessness abounds , this I also believe and do not want to be in that warning , yet I fear I am at this time

been praying to God for Love and be able to love others more with

that love sent from His Spirit and Holy perfection ,

because without Him I can do nothing .
And I do despise the wicked ways of some , so bad it angers me to misery.. what a confesson , but I would only decieve my own heart , if I said differently
So praying and reading and asking the Lord God for help at this time for us all been reading these and judging myself by them WORDS OF GOD
and see mine own lack in them or be the hypocrite , say but do not do or believe and fail the test , I do believe we stumble from time to time , but it is God who makes us able to stand back up again after being humbled by His Word and Spirit .


love my KJV but this has been very helpful too at this time
Matt 7 NLT

Do Not Judge Others

“Do not judge others, and you will not be judged. 2 For you will be treated as you treat others.

The standard you use in judging is the standard by which you will be judged.

3 “And why worry about a speck in your friend’s eye

when you have a log in your own?

4 How can you think of saying to your friend,


‘Let me help you get rid of that speck in your eye,’ when you can’t see past the log in your own eye?


5 Hypocrite! First get rid of the log in your own eye; then you will see well enough to deal with the speck in your friend’s eye. 6 <FONT class=woj>“Don’t waste what is holy on people who are unholy./dogs Don’t throw your pearls to pigs! They will trample the pearls, then turn and attack you.!!!
Effective Prayer

7 “Keep on asking, and you will receive what you ask for. Keep on seeking, and you will find. Keep on knocking, and the door will be opened to you. 8 For everyone who asks, receives.


Everyone who seeks, finds. And to everyone who knocks, the door will be opened.

9 “You parents—if your children ask for a loaf of bread, do you give them a stone instead?

10 Or if they ask for a fish, do you give them a snake? Of course not!


11 So if you sinful people know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give good gifts to those who ask him. The Golden Rule

12 “Do to others whatever you would like them to do to you. This is the essence of all that is taught in the law and the prophets. !!!
The Narrow Gate this is enter into the gates of the city

13 “You can enter God’s Kingdom only through the narrow gate. The highway to hell is broad, and its gate is wide for the many who choose that way.

14 But the gateway to life is very narrow and the road is difficult, and only a few ever find it.
The Tree and Its Fruit

15 “Beware of false prophets who come disguised as harmless sheep but are really vicious wolves.

16 You can identify them by their fruit, that is, by the way they act. Can you pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?


17 A good tree produces good fruit, and a bad tree produces bad fruit.


18 A good tree can’t produce bad fruit, and a bad tree can’t produce good fruit. 19 So every tree that does not produce good fruit is chopped down and thrown into the fire.


20 Yes, just as you can identify a tree by its fruit, so you can identify people by their actions.

<FONT class=woj>I find this timely as well about the Law keeping and how evry Word out of the mouth of God from the law of Moses and the prophets to the Son Jesus and all the apostles it is always the SAME MESSAGE/ MEASURE !
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Exodus 22

Protection of Property

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WHO could ever keep all the law ?
Exodus 22
<DIV>Protection of Property

1 &#8220;If someone steals an ox or sheep and then kills or sells it, the thief must pay back five oxen for each ox stolen, and four sheep for each sheep stolen.

2 &#8220;If a thief is caught in the act of breaking into a house and is struck and killed in the process, the person who killed the thief is not guilty of murder.

3 But if it happens in daylight, the one who killed the thief is guilty of murder.
&#8220;A thief who is caught must pay in full for everything he stole. If he cannot pay, he must be sold as a slave to pay for his theft.

4 If someone steals an ox or a donkey or a sheep and it is found in the thief&#8217;s possession, then the thief must pay double the value of the stolen animal.

SORT OF PAY BACK DOUBLE FOR SINS !
5 &#8220;If an animal is grazing in a field or vineyard and the owner lets it stray into someone else&#8217;s field to graze, then the animal&#8217;s owner must pay compensation from the best of his own grain or grapes.
6 &#8220;If you are burning thornbushes and the fire gets out of control and spreads into another person&#8217;s field, destroying the sheaves or the uncut grain or the whole crop, the one who started the fire must pay for the lost crop.
7 &#8220;Suppose someone leaves money or goods with a neighbor for safekeeping, and they are stolen from the neighbor&#8217;s house. If the thief is caught, the compensation is double the value of what was stolen. 8 But if the thief is not caught, the neighbor must appear before God,

who will determine if he stole the property.
9 &#8220;Suppose there is a dispute between two people who both claim to own a particular ox, donkey, sheep, article of clothing, or any lost property. Both parties must come before God, and the person whom God declares
 
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rev 22

12 &#8220;Look, I am coming soon, bringing my reward with me to repay all people according to their deeds. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.&#8221;
14 Blessed are those who wash their robes.

They will be permitted to enter through the gates of the city and eat the fruit from the tree of life.


15 Outside the city are the dogs&#8212;the sorcerers, the sexually immoral,

the murderers, the idol worshipers, and all who love to live a lie. 16 &#8220;I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this message for the churches.


I am both the source of David and the heir to his throne. I am the bright morning star.&#8221;


17 The Spirit and the bride say, &#8220;Come.&#8221; Let anyone who hears this say, &#8220;Come.&#8221; Let anyone who is thirsty come. Let anyone who desires drink freely from the water of life.



18 And I solemnly declare to everyone who hears the words of prophecy written in this book:


If anyone adds anything to what is written here, God will add to that person the plagues described in this book.

19 And if anyone removes any of the words from this book of prophecy,

God will remove that person&#8217;s share in the tree of life and in the holy city that are described in this book



only to what I am seeing now is this the narrow gate that leads to the Holy city few find it here
I cannot keep all the LAW ! yet if i break one little thing in Gods law of moses i am guilty of all of them that's a lot of judgment without mercy ! I am as good as dead than !!

but if by faith in Jesus Christ because he Loves us shows us this love of God and such mercy
I must show mercy with my judgment But the Lord says in His Word if I judge with mercy I will also be shown mercy !praying for my enemies even FEEDING THEM will heap hot coals on their heads
this fire of cleansing will destroy all things that offend , making this enemy a friend perhaps, YOU KNOW at one time we also were enemies of the Lord also
this work of God showing mercy with judgment is awesome works of faith in what God can do and show all HE IS WORTHY OF great PRAISE knowing the trial of their faith is also being tested in the fires
the seven lamps / seven churches / seven Spirits of God before the throne the lamps of fire His eyes laid on One Stone the Rock of offense and stone of stumbling .. Mat 5:44But I say unto you, Love your enemies,

bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you,

and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven:

for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. For if ye love them which love you,

what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?

And if ye salute your brethren only,

what do ye more [than others]?

do not even the publicans so?

Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

perfect in THE LOVE OF GOD !

Rom 12:19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves,

but [rather] give place unto wrath:

for it is written, Vengeance [is] mine; I will repay,

saith the Lord
Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him;

if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head

Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.

bLESSINGS c
 
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Hi Chickapee, thank you for that study.

Thinking about the Law and how we fulfill it by loving one another…..recently I was walking through the city library and I saw a book on the reference shelf titled something like “Encyclopedia of American religious creeds”….not exactly sure of the title. Anyway, I picked up this THICK book and found most of the creeds were of the Christian church denominations. Each denomination had subgroups within each…each subgroup had a slightly different creed even under the same parent denomination. Most of those creeds that I read through did NOT have loving one another even in their top ten list of requirements. Most of these “creeds” and statements of faith were rules, commandments and regulations of men. Some even were worded and arranged like the state constitution….or the state statutes. To me, it was a list of chains….bondage….prison tenets of faith. One must believe these XYZ beliefs in order to belong to our church…. one must observe a certain day….one must tithe a certain amount….one must put all your blind faith in the church leaders….one must sign off on the bottom line of this list of rules and commandments of men. All denominations had their conflicting creeds….even a couple of them stated that they were the true church and the others are lost. There is a lot of preaching in the denominations stating we are not under the Law…..but their creeds state otherwise. They have lost their way….they have strayed from the simplicity of Christ. Only the “few” have followed the doctrine….the teaching of Christ…which is to love one another…..while the “many” have fallen victim to the teachings and commandments of men. Religious man has strived with each other per his carnal rules and regulations…..religious man judges the others who do not belong to his particular brand of religion or adhere to his belief system. These are the “lost sheep” that have not been spared by the “wolves.” As Paul stated, he knew the wolves would enter in and not spare the flock. The system of many denominations is a result of that.

(Acts 20:28 KJV) Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.
31 Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.
32 And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified.
33 I have coveted no man's silver, or gold, or apparel.

The “many” who have gone through that wide gate into ruin….hatred, divisions, strife and envy are the “lost sheep” who are to be delivered by the preaching of our Lord in this last day. His people have been “lost sheep”….and it is the shepherds of the church that have caused them to go astray.

(Jer 50:6 KJV) My people hath been lost sheep: their shepherds have caused them to go astray, they have turned them away on the mountains: they have gone from mountain to hill, they have forgotten their restingplace.

They have been devoured by the “wolves.”

7 All that found them have devoured them: and their adversaries said, We offend not, because they have sinned against the LORD, the habitation of justice, even the LORD, the hope of their fathers.

But our Lord comes to deliver them…..to remove them from the “Babylon” of man’s religions. They are to be rescued from the “destruction” that they lie in.

8 Remove out of the midst of Babylon, and go forth out of the land of the Chaldeans, and be as the he goats before the flocks.

He comes to “resurrect” the “dead” from their “sleep”….and those lost sheep will come out of Babylon. He comes to reveal the Scripture of Truth to them…he comes to reveal the knowledge of God so that they may overcome the carnal mind of man.

(Rev 18:4 KJV) And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.

The “princes” of the people are like “wolves” ravening the prey….the “many” in the churches. They have “destroyed” souls with their preaching…..all to get dishonest gain. They covet after other people's "gold and silver and apparel."


(Ezek 22:27 KJV) Her princes in the midst thereof are like wolves ravening the prey, to shed blood, and to destroy souls, to get dishonest gain.
28 And her prophets have daubed them with untempered mortar, seeing vanity, and divining lies unto them, saying, Thus saith the Lord GOD, when the LORD hath not spoken.

They have used oppression on the lost sheep….carnal doctrines and commandments of men….in order to keep the sheep in their prisons.

29 The people of the land have used oppression, and exercised robbery, and have vexed the poor and needy: yea, they have oppressed the stranger wrongfully.
30 And I sought for a man among them, that should make up the hedge, and stand in the gap before me for the land, that I should not destroy it: but I found none.

And so there is envy, strife, divisions, hatred within the churches who have strayed away from the simplicity of Christ. These are the judgments of God upon the church.


31 Therefore have I poured out mine indignation upon them; I have consumed them with the fire of my wrath: their own way have I recompensed upon their heads, saith the Lord GOD.

But our Lord comes to have mercy on us who are “dead” in trespasses and sins…who are bogged down in the religious system of man.

(Eph 2:1 KJV) And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins:
2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

Those that will awaken to His Truth and do the Truth shall no longer be the “children of wrath”…..but in His mercy and great love for us shall be made “alive” in Christ.

3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,

By His grace…His mercy…His kindness…His love, we are saved. He shall come to deliver His lost sheep from their captors…from man’s carnal ways and thoughts…from Babylon. He shall come to deliver His people from the denominations of man and we are to be gathered together in ONE mind…ONE spirit….ONE body…in Christ Jesus who is the Truth.

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
7 That in the ages to come he might show the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

It is not of ourselves….it is the gift of God. Our religious thoughts and ways do not save us.


8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

This is going to be a repeat…..his disciples shall be sent to the “lost sheep” of the churches. They are to preach the revealed Word of Truth to them in order that they may be delivered from their “tombs” of man’s understanding.


(Mat 10:5 KJV) These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.

They are to heal the “sick” and weak of the churches from their hatred, envy and strife….they are to rise from the “dead”….they are to cast away the carnal mind and be FREE. The Truth shall set you FREE.

8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.
 
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Jesus is the revealed Truth that comes in this last day to wake up His church who has been “sleeping”….who have fallen into temptation…who have fallen asleep to His righteousness. Those that are “asleep” in the church have fallen into the temptation of the “flesh”….the forming of doctrines and commandments of men based on their natural, earthly understanding of the Bible…..forming denominations….forming rules and regulations that have scattered the sheep of the church into divisions…into war with each other…into strife and envy. Entering into the temptation = entering into the wide gate of false prophets who rob us of the fruits of the Spirit. One hour = the hour of temptation.


(Mat 26:40 KJV) And he cometh unto the disciples, and findeth them asleep, and saith unto Peter, What, could ye not watch with me one hour?
41 Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.

The many have entered through the "wide gate" of the false teachings of man....where there is no true knowledge. The many in the church have gone into captivity....into the bondage brought on by fleshly doctrines of man.

(Isa 5:13 KJV) Therefore my people are gone into captivity, because they have no knowledge: and their honourable men are famished, and their multitude dried up with thirst.
14 Therefore hell hath enlarged herself, and opened her mouth without measure: and their glory, and their multitude, and their pomp, and he that rejoiceth, shall descend into it.


The "wide gate" = the wide mouth of falsehoods that bring many into man's captivity....into his envyings and strife and hatred.

(Isa 57:4 KJV) Against whom do ye sport yourselves? against whom make ye a wide mouth, and draw out the tongue? are ye not children of transgression, a seed of falsehood,

We were to keep His word of patience during this “hour”….the “hour of temptation” that has come upon the many. Those that dwell “upon the earth” = those that dwell upon the earthly wisdom of man….the earthly understanding of the Scriptures rather than the spiritual.
(Rev 3:10 KJV) Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

We were to be patient for the coming of the Lord…who comes to open up the Scriptures to our understanding. We were to resist the temptation of privately interpreting them for ourselves and living by the “sword” and building man’s denominations in vain. Just as Moses went into the mountain to receive the instructions on how to build the tabernacle and return to the people, Jesus has gone into heaven and is to come to us in order to build the church in God’s revealed wisdom. He is to reveal the Word of Truth that shall build His church as it should be….in Spirit and in Truth….in ONE mind and body. The current system of churches is what man has built not being patient for the Lord….it is the same spiritual “gold calf” that the children of Israel worshiped in the desert. All man’s denominations…doctrines and commandments…are built in vain. Except the Lord build the house…the church….they labor in vain.

(Psa 127:1 KJV) A Song of degrees for Solomon. Except the LORD build the house, they labour in vain that build it: except the LORD keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain.

The children of Israel did not wait patiently for Moses….neither did men in the church wait patiently for our Lord to come from heaven with the instructions on how build the church in His wisdom.

(Exo 32:1 KJV) And when the people saw that Moses delayed to come down out of the mount, the people gathered themselves together unto Aaron, and said unto him, Up, make us gods, which shall go before us; for as for this Moses, the man that brought us up out of the land of Egypt, we wot not what is become of him.

Men have not waited patiently for the Lord to come to open up the Scriptures for our understanding…..instead they have leaned upon their own understanding and have formed the works of their own hands on how they think they should worship God. The children of Israel broke off the “golden earrings” in their ears.

(Exo 32:2 KJV) And Aaron said unto them, Break off the golden earrings, which are in the ears of your wives, of your sons, and of your daughters, and bring them unto me.
3 And all the people brake off the golden earrings which were in their ears, and brought them unto Aaron.

Likewise, the many in church have turned their ears from their “wise reprovers”….they have not endured sound doctrine……to love one another.

(Prov 25:12 KJV) As an earring of gold, and an ornament of fine gold, so is a wise reprover upon an obedient ear.

It has been the “out of season” time of the church…..the hour of temptation where many have fallen “asleep.” It has been the time when many have broken of the “golden earrings” in their ears and have heaped to themselves teachers saying what they want them to say….. “make us gods that shall go before us”….make us commandments and doctrines of men that we shall adhere to…..build us into the house of our making. That “house” of man is built upon the “sand” of man’s earthly understanding.

(2 Tim 4:2 KJV) Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

Many in the churches have turned their ears from the Truth and are turned to “fables.” They have broken off the “earrings of gold”…..not being obedient to the commandment of the Lord…not being obedient to the “wise reprovers”….not waiting patiently for the Lord…not loving one another as they should. We have been living in the “night season” of the church…the out-of-season season.

4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

BUT just as shown in Exodus, our Lord Jesus Christ makes intercession for the sins of the many….even though they have “corrupted” themselves. He comes with the revealed Truth so that we may be saved.

(Exo 32:7 KJV) And the LORD said unto Moses, Go, get thee down; for thy people, which thou broughtest out of the land of Egypt, have corrupted themselves:

The many have turned aside quickly out of the Way of righteousness….they have formed their doctrines and commandments of men. Religious man has formed his own “salvation” teachings with his own understanding and does “righteous” works by the works of his own hand. They have formed the “molten calf” of religious works and thoughts.

8 They have turned aside quickly out of the way which I commanded them: they have made them a molten calf, and have worshipped it, and have sacrificed thereunto, and said, These be thy gods, O Israel, which have brought thee up out of the land of Egypt.

Just as Moses showed us, the Lord Jesus intercedes on our behalf ….for our sins…for our missing the mark of the Truth. Moses had not come down yet with the knowledge of God to build the tabernacle. The people built the calf in ignorance of those instructions.

(Exo 32:11 KJV) And Moses besought the LORD his God, and said, LORD, why doth thy wrath wax hot against thy people, which thou hast brought forth out of the land of Egypt with great power, and with a mighty hand?

Just as Moses showed us, the Lord Jesus has made the atonement for our sins….our missing of the mark of the Truth.

(Exo 32:30 KJV) And it came to pass on the morrow, that Moses said unto the people, Ye have sinned a great sin: and now I will go up unto the LORD; peradventure I shall make an atonement for your sin.

Even though religious man has formed his own “gods of gold”…his own religious wisdom and commandments, our sins are forgiven.

31 And Moses returned unto the LORD, and said, Oh, this people have sinned a great sin, and have made them gods of gold.

Our sins are forgiven by his sacrifice for our sins.

32 Yet now, if thou wilt forgive their sin--; and if not, blot me, I pray thee, out of thy book which thou hast written.
33 And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.

The Lord Jesus is that “angel” who shall go before us…who has interceded for our sins. And we are to hear His voice today and repent.

34 Therefore now go, lead the people unto the place of which I have spoken unto thee: behold, mine Angel shall go before thee: nevertheless in the day when I visit I will visit their sin upon them.

Just as Moses showed us, Christ Jesus is the one mediator between God and men.

(1 Tim 2:5 KJV) For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

He has given himself as a ransom for all. ….and he will come to preach to us in “due time”…the “in season”….he shall reveal the knowledge of the revealed Truth.

6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
7 Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not;) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.

We are to believe in His revealed Truth and be saved. We are to believe in His preaching…and do the Truth. The Truth shall be much different that what religious man has been preaching all these years. Just like the “Athenians”….the church shall hear the message of the Truth…..a “new doctrine” that will be preached….not the old tired doctrines of earthly men.

(Acts 17:19 KJV) And they took him, and brought him unto Areopagus, saying, May we know what this new doctrine, whereof thou speakest, is?

They shall hear the Truth in their ears.

20 For thou bringest certain strange things to our ears: we would know therefore what these things mean.
21 (For all the Athenians and strangers which were there spent their time in nothing else, but either to tell, or to hear some new thing.)
22 Then Paul stood in the midst of Mars' hill, and said, Ye men of Athens, I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious.

The many in the churches know not what they worship. They have not been worshipping God in Spirit and in Truth….but have been worshipping Him by the works of their own hands. …in their ignorance.

23 For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you.
24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;

He is not worshipped by our own understanding….our own doctrines and commandments of men….the “gold calf” of religious thoughts and ways.

25 Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;
26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;
27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:
28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.

We are His offspring….He is not OUR OFFSPRING…He is not the works of our own hands.

29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.

We have been in ignorance of the Truth....the OUT-OF-SEASON season. But NOW He commands that ALL men every where to repent….to change their mind….to change from the carnal to the spiritual mind where there is life and peace. Our Lord Jesus has interceded for our past sins of ignorance….but a time comes when he comes to reveal the knowledge of God by which we are saved.

30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

He comes to “resurrect” the “dead”….those who have fallen asleep in the temptation of the flesh….who have fallen asleep to His Truth….who have fallen asleep to His righteousness….who have fallen asleep to the presence of the Spirit within their lives.

32 And when they heard of the resurrection of the dead, some mocked: and others said, We will hear thee again of this matter.
 
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....continued from previous post

Even though we have in our ignorance of the Truth lived in divisions and strife, he comes to “wash” us in the regeneration….He comes to renew the Holy Spirit within us. Our God is kind and merciful and loves us…..and has overlooked our sins by the sacrifice of Jesus.

(Titus 3:3 KJV) For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another.
4 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,
5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;

Our Lord comes to preach to us the eternal gospel of the kingdom….He comes to heal the “sicknesses” of hatred, envy and strife that has afflicted the many in the church.

(Mat 9:35 KJV) And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people.

He will have compassion on the “multitudes” because they are scattered abroad as sheep having no true Shepherd.

36 But when he saw the multitudes, he was moved with compassion on them, because they fainted, and were scattered abroad, as sheep having no shepherd.

He shall send out His messengers of the Truth in this last day to preach to the “multitudes” in the great harvest of the Lord….the “IN SEASON.”

37 Then saith he unto his disciples, The harvest truly is plenteous, but the labourers are few;
38 Pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest, that he will send forth labourers into his harvest.
 
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