Random thoughts to consider....

Chickapee · Oct 23, 2010

Amen to what you have said Wheeler ,
Its true
that we do not know how to worship God and we do trust in the wolves and not the Lamb ..
I have been seeing it as God gives everyone a measure of faith and a talent or two
and what and how we use that determines more of His Spirit and Truth
or what we have is taken away and given to others
Jesus comes in Spirit and truth in righteous judgment often when we dont even know it .. and our own mouth judges us many times , what we say and do makes all the difference
I was begining to think I was cursed of God , but now I think the world hates me because I am trying to please God , when I did not try to please God things were easier to deal with , but now I am struggling to hang on for the Life in Jesus
I thought of this because it seemed to answer a need and answer to why this is happening now in a personal way

I took it wrong God dont hate me He loves us and we have to get whipped when in the wrong mind of thinking ..or failing the test , Holy Ghost conviction is a great thing to happen to anyone
Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of [our] faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.
Hbr 12:4Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.
And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord,

nor faint when thou art rebuked of him: For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth,

and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not? But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sonsFurthermore

we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected [us], and we gave [them] reverence:

shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

Chickapee · Oct 23, 2010

Wheeler said:
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Even though we have in our ignorance of the Truth lived in divisions and strife, he comes to wash us in the regeneration.He comes to renew the Holy Spirit within us. Our God is kind and merciful and loves us..and has overlooked our sins by the sacrifice of Jesus.

(Titus 3:3 KJV) For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another.
4 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,
5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;

Our Lord comes to preach to us the eternal gospel of the kingdom.He comes to heal the sicknesses of hatred, envy and strife that has afflicted the many in the church.

(Mat 9:35 KJV) And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people.

He will have compassion on the multitudes because they are scattered abroad as sheep having no true Shepherd.

36 But when he saw the multitudes, he was moved with compassion on them, because they fainted, and were scattered abroad, as sheep having no shepherd.

He shall send out His messengers of the Truth in this last day to preach to the multitudes in the great harvest of the Lord.the IN SEASON.

37 Then saith he unto his disciples, The harvest truly is plenteous, but the labourers are few;
38 Pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest, that he will send forth labourers into his harvest.

I love it that you broght this up , because
This has just been brought up again , I love it when the Lord does this for us ... I was half awake this morning and something was going on in a subconscience state about all the divisons , millions of them and how we are all so offended over them , they cause such stumbling
Jesus is the only Door the only way into Gods Kingdom to be ONE WITH HIM
Love seems to be the only way we will ever overcome this world and Christ has to be within you to accomplish this great feat /task
so easy to say and so hard to do , whay I do not know , till the timing is right maybe ?

anyways this was on my mind this week also Gen 28:12And he dreamed, and behold a ladder set up on the earth, and the top of it reached to heaven: and behold the angels of God ascending and descending on it.

Jhn 1:51And he saith unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Hereafter ye shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man.
I see it as Jesus being the Rock of offense and Stone of stumbling
we go up and / seated with Christ in heavenly places and fall down regularly Gal 5:4Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

1Pe 2:8And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, [even to them] which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.Pro 24:16For a just [man] falleth seven times, and riseth up again: but the wicked shall fall into mischief.
stars are angels namely us and those whom were examples in the Word of God who deliver messages life and death are in the power of the tongue / language heavenly, pure and peacable or earthy sensual and devilish

Jesus said learn the parable of the fig tree! I aways wondered what it meant
but seeing that now in a more sure word!
Rev 6:13And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

the Lord is awesome and I do trust His ways they are perfect , just and TRUE
no matter how much we fail and how much it humbles us and hurts to fail HIM , He is perfect and will not fail , we should always put all our trust in Him only and keep the faith , hope and Love alive which is Him within , doing those mighty works of the Spirit and truth in righteouness
But still it hurts to fail him and He is so very patient with us all ..
Rom 14:4Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
in His peace C ...

Chickapee · Oct 23, 2010

Wheeler said:
Hi Chickapee, thank you for that study.

Thinking about the Law and how we fulfill it by loving one another..recently I was walking through the city library and I saw a book on the reference shelf titled something like Encyclopedia of American religious creeds.not exactly sure of the title. Anyway, I picked up this THICK book and found most of the creeds were of the Christian church denominations. Each denomination had subgroups within eacheach subgroup had a slightly different creed even under the same parent denomination. Most of those creeds that I read through did NOT have loving one another even in their top ten list of requirements. Most of these creeds and statements of faith were rules, commandments and regulations of men. Some even were worded and arranged like the state constitution.or the state statutes. To me, it was a list of chains.bondage.prison tenets of faith. One must believe these XYZ beliefs in order to belong to our church. one must observe a certain day.one must tithe a certain amount.one must put all your blind faith in the church leaders.one must sign off on the bottom line of this list of rules and commandments of men. All denominations had their conflicting creeds.even a couple of them stated that they were the true church and the others are lost. There is a lot of preaching in the denominations stating we are not under the Law..but their creeds state otherwise. They have lost their way.they have strayed from the simplicity of Christ. Only the few have followed the doctrine.the teaching of Christwhich is to love one another..while the many have fallen victim to the teachings and commandments of men. Religious man has strived with each other per his carnal rules and regulations..religious man judges the others who do not belong to his particular brand of religion or adhere to his belief system. These are the lost sheep that have not been spared by the wolves. As Paul stated, he knew the wolves would enter in and not spare the flock. The system of many denominations is a result of that.

(Acts 20:28 KJV) Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.
31 Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.
32 And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified.
33 I have coveted no man's silver, or gold, or apparel.

The many who have gone through that wide gate into ruin.hatred, divisions, strife and envy are the lost sheep who are to be delivered by the preaching of our Lord in this last day. His people have been lost sheep.and it is the shepherds of the church that have caused them to go astray.

(Jer 50:6 KJV) My people hath been lost sheep: their shepherds have caused them to go astray, they have turned them away on the mountains: they have gone from mountain to hill, they have forgotten their restingplace.

They have been devoured by the wolves.

7 All that found them have devoured them: and their adversaries said, We offend not, because they have sinned against the LORD, the habitation of justice, even the LORD, the hope of their fathers.

But our Lord comes to deliver them..to remove them from the Babylon of mans religions. They are to be rescued from the destruction that they lie in.

8 Remove out of the midst of Babylon, and go forth out of the land of the Chaldeans, and be as the he goats before the flocks.

He comes to resurrect the dead from their sleep.and those lost sheep will come out of Babylon. He comes to reveal the Scripture of Truth to themhe comes to reveal the knowledge of God so that they may overcome the carnal mind of man.

(Rev 18:4 KJV) And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.

The princes of the people are like wolves ravening the prey.the many in the churches. They have destroyed souls with their preaching..all to get dishonest gain. They covet after other people's "gold and silver and apparel."

(Ezek 22:27 KJV) Her princes in the midst thereof are like wolves ravening the prey, to shed blood, and to destroy souls, to get dishonest gain.
28 And her prophets have daubed them with untempered mortar, seeing vanity, and divining lies unto them, saying, Thus saith the Lord GOD, when the LORD hath not spoken.

They have used oppression on the lost sheep.carnal doctrines and commandments of men.in order to keep the sheep in their prisons.

29 The people of the land have used oppression, and exercised robbery, and have vexed the poor and needy: yea, they have oppressed the stranger wrongfully.
30 And I sought for a man among them, that should make up the hedge, and stand in the gap before me for the land, that I should not destroy it: but I found none.

And so there is envy, strife, divisions, hatred within the churches who have strayed away from the simplicity of Christ. These are the judgments of God upon the church.

31 Therefore have I poured out mine indignation upon them; I have consumed them with the fire of my wrath: their own way have I recompensed upon their heads, saith the Lord GOD.

But our Lord comes to have mercy on us who are dead in trespasses and sinswho are bogged down in the religious system of man.

(Eph 2:1 KJV) And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins:
2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

Those that will awaken to His Truth and do the Truth shall no longer be the children of wrath..but in His mercy and great love for us shall be made alive in Christ.

3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,

By His graceHis mercyHis kindnessHis love, we are saved. He shall come to deliver His lost sheep from their captorsfrom mans carnal ways and thoughtsfrom Babylon. He shall come to deliver His people from the denominations of man and we are to be gathered together in ONE mindONE spirit.ONE bodyin Christ Jesus who is the Truth.

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
7 That in the ages to come he might show the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

It is not of ourselves.it is the gift of God. Our religious thoughts and ways do not save us.

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

This is going to be a repeat..his disciples shall be sent to the lost sheep of the churches. They are to preach the revealed Word of Truth to them in order that they may be delivered from their tombs of mans understanding.

(Mat 10:5 KJV) These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.

They are to heal the sick and weak of the churches from their hatred, envy and strife.they are to rise from the dead.they are to cast away the carnal mind and be FREE. The Truth shall set you FREE.

8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.

Great you looked into the divisions and Love is lacking in them more than any thing
rules being the main stay of religion the carnal thoughts of being earthly sensual and still devilish

Paul also warned of this 1Cr 1:10Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and [that] there be no divisions among you; but [that] ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.

Lord knows that the divisions in the thousands of churches is this they have stumbled on the Stumbling Stone and Rock of offense Jesus Christ

1Cr 3:3For ye are yet carnal: for whereas [there is] among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
not children born again of the most High God Rom 9:33As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

Chickapee · Oct 23, 2010

JESUS WARNS!!!! Mat 24:12And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
This here is the Judgment measure to me Wheeler ...
Love/ of God and Christ together being the greatest thing to have in the end

because a hardened heart , lacking love of God within our hearts will fail the test To Day .. parable of the seeds / Word of God falling on the hearts of men
Hbr 3:14For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation

Luk 8:10 And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand. Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.
3 types of hearts the seed of Christ fall onto in Luke 8

Wheeler · Oct 24, 2010

Hi Chickapee.....so glad you are continuing to read my rambling thoughts here. Hopefully we can both see more and more of His revelation of the Truth...it is such a joy to start to understand things that have not been understood before.

Yes, the Lord chastens those whom He RECEIVES. What a great thought.He receives us! He loves us! He chastens.He corrects those whom He loves.

(Heb 12:6 KJV) For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

The Lord comes to preach to us in this last day and we are to believe in that revealed Truth when we hear it. Yet, there will be those who will not immediately believe because of the hardness of their hearts.who need to be chastened for their unbelief. He accepts us though. His patience is our salvation. Those who do not immediately believe, He unbraids their hardness of hearts..just as He did with the disciples. The disciples did not immediately believe the report given by those who had witnessed him alive. Hardness of heart = lack of spiritual perception.

(Mark 16:14 KJV) Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen.

The spiritual Truth rises up as the sun breaking on a new day. Those that first witness this Lightthis Truth..our Lord Jesus is that Truth.repeat what they have seen to others. And yet, those of our household.our own churches.will not immediately believe the report of those who will first understand the revealed Truth. The disciples did not believe Mary Magdalenes report of the risen Savior..

(Mark 16:9 KJV) Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.
10 And she went and told them that had been with him, as they mourned and wept.
11 And they, when they had heard that he was alive, and had been seen of her, believed not.

And neither did they believe the two who told the rest of them about seeing the risen Savior. Yet, Jesus unbraided them for their unbelief..likewise, He does to those He loves who will not immediately receive the revealed Truth in their hearts with faith.

12 After that he appeared in another form unto two of them, as they walked, and went into the country.
13 And they went and told it unto the residue: neither believed they them.

The Lord comes to open up the Scriptures to our understanding.and we are to believe in His preachingHis interpretation of them. His teaching will be different then our church fathers teachings. Some will be slow of heart to believe.

(Luke 24:25 KJV) Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?

Our Lord comes to expound to us ALL of the Scriptures.the volume of the Book.

27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.
28 And they drew nigh unto the village, whither they went: and he made as though he would have gone further.
29 But they constrained him, saying, Abide with us: for it is toward evening, and the day is far spent. And he went in to tarry with them.

He comes to give us the meat of the revealed Truth. He gives us the bread of heaven.He comes to open up the eyes of our understanding so that we may KNOW HIM.so that we may worship Him in Spirit and Truth.

30 And it came to pass, as he sat at meat with them, he took bread, and blessed it, and brake, and gave to them.

31 And their eyes were opened, and they knew him; and he vanished out of their sight.

He comes to open up the Scriptures to our understanding....so that we may know Him in Spirit and in Truth.

32 And they said one to another, Did not our heart burn within us, while he talked with us by the way, and while he opened to us the scriptures?
33 And they rose up the same hour, and returned to Jerusalem, and found the eleven gathered together, and them that were with them,

He appeared to Simon..Simon means hearing. He appears to those who hear the voice of the Spirit in this last day.

34 Saying, The Lord is risen indeed, and hath appeared to Simon.

He breaks the bread of heaven for us.He interprets the Scripturesbreaking it down for our understanding. He feeds us with the revealed Truth. By this, we shall KNOW Him.

35 And they told what things were done in the way, and how he was known of them in breaking of bread.

Our Lord comes to open up the Book to our spiritual understanding. Isaiah means salvation of God..just as Jesus means God saves.we are to believe in His name.

(Luke 4:17 KJV) And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,

The Spirit of the Lord comes to preach the gospel to the poor.to those who have been captives of carnal men. He gives sight to the blind.He gives understanding to those who do not spiritually understand Him. He delivers us from pastors who have snared us with their erroneous preaching.their wresting of the Scriptures. The TRUTH shall set us FREE.

18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

The preaching of the revealed Truth is the acceptable year of the Lord. He receives those whom He loves.and He chastens those who are slow of heart to believe in His Truth.

19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.

We are to believe in the things that are revealed to us. Yet, some, like the disciples at first will not immediately believe.

(Luke 24:10 KJV) It was Mary Magdalene, and Joanna, and Mary the mother of James, and other women that were with them, which told these things unto the apostles.

The words will seem as idle talesan incredible story. at first to those who will not immediately believe. But our Lord will chasten those who will not immediately believe because He loves us as a son.

11 And their words seemed to them as idle tales, and they believed them not.

We are to hear the voice of our Lord walking in the garden in the cool of the Day. He walks in the garden of the Scriptures and our heartsin the cool.which means SPIRITof the Day.

(Gen 3:8 KJV) And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.

Let us not hide the from the revealed Truth for the fear of what others think . Let us not shut the doors of our mouths.let us not hide among the trees of the garden.

(John 20:18 KJV) Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples that she had seen the Lord, and that he had spoken these things unto her.
19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.

Those that will believe in the revealed Truth shall suffer persecution.from our very own household who will not believe..just as Jesus suffered from his own brothers. But blessed are those who suffer for the believing in the revealed Truth in this last day. Our own people will say all manner of evil against us falsely.because we will no longer run after their own religious ways and thoughts.

(Mat 5:11 KJV) Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

We shall suffer evil things spoken of us for believing in the revealed Truth.by our own countrymen.

(1 Th 2:14 KJV) For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews:

Our own people will hate us because of our belief in the revealing of theTruth.they shall separate us from their company.they shall cast us out of their churches.they shall reproach us and speak evil things of us. But, we are to REJOICE in that day..our reward is GREAT in heaven.

(Luke 6:22 KJV) Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake.
23 Rejoice ye in that day, and leap for joy: for, behold, your reward is great in heaven: for in the like manner did their fathers unto the prophets.

Those that love to have the preeminence in the churches will NOT receive us. They will not receive the revealed Truth nor those who will believe in it.

(3 John 1:9 KJV) I wrote unto the church: but Diotrephes, who loveth to have the preeminence among them, receiveth us not.

But it is the Lord who will have vengeance when He comes.He will remember their deeds and malicious words. There will be men in the church who will have none of the Truth..they will forbid the revealed Truth to be taught to their flocks.and will cast those who will receive it out of their churches.

10 Wherefore, if I come, I will remember his deeds which he doeth, prating against us with malicious words: and not content therewith, neither doth he himself receive the brethren, and forbiddeth them that would, and casteth them out of the church.
11 Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen God.

We are not to think it strange concerning that fiery trial.

(1 Pet 4:12 KJV) Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you:

We are to partakers of Christs sufferings by the receiving of the reproach of men who will not receive the revealed Truth and those who will accept it.

13 But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.

Happy are those who suffer for His name.the name of Christ who is the Truth that saves us.for the Spirit of glory and of God will rest upon you. These trials will come not from the outside world.but from the very church world that we have been a part of when we knew nothing of the Truth. The religious world will hate us just as they did Jesus.

14 If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified.

No disciple is above the Master.

(Mat 10:24 KJV) The disciple is not above his master, nor the servant above his lord.

We shall be like Him in his suffering. For Jesus very own brothers.Israel.called him of the house Beelzebub..how much more shall our own church people call us in the day of the revelation of the Truth.

25 It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household?

We are to fear them not. If God be for us, what can man do? But let us preach the revealed Truth no matter what our own countrymen will say.

26 Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known.

We are to speak the revealed Truth.in the Light. What we hear in the earhearing the Spiritwe are to preach upon the housetops. If religious man does not like it, then so be it.

27 What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops.

All those who will live godly in Christ Jesuswho is the revealed Truthshall suffer persecution by those who will not receive the message of the Truth..in our very own churches.

(2 Tim 3:12 KJV) Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;

The Truth of the Holy Scriptures shall make us wise unto salvation.and we are to have faith in that Truth. We are to be born of heavenly wisdom.

15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

We are to become children of heavenly wisdom..the elect lady. We are to know the revealed Truth of the Scriptures. The Truth shall dwell in us.in our hearts.

(2 John 1:1 KJV) The elder unto the elect lady and her children, whom I love in the truth; and not I only, but also all they that have known the truth;
2 For the truth's sake, which dwelleth in us, and shall be with us for ever.

Chickapee · Oct 24, 2010

25 It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household?

We are to fear them not. If God be for us, what can man do? But let us preach the revealed Truth no matter what our own “countrymen” will say.

26 Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known.

We are to speak the revealed Truth….in the Light. What we hear in the ear…hearing the Spirit…we are to preach upon the “housetops.” If religious man does not like it, then so be it.

27 What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops.

All those who will live godly in Christ Jesus…who is the revealed Truth…shall suffer persecution by those who will not receive the message of the Truth…..in our very own churches.

Yes The Lord of harvest , the Day the Light of men .. all them things

everything is by God and for God that He will be all in all when Jesus delivers up the Kingdom to the Father 1Corinth 15

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
The same was in the beginning with God.
All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Jhn 1:4In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

our darkness being hid in our flesh and the carnal mind being the enemy of the Light /knowledge of God
1) darkness
2) the darkness due to want of light
3) metaph. used of ignorance of divine things, and its associated wickedness, and the resultant misery in hell

Jhn 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
Thanks been thinking alot these days on the Knowledge of God with understanding ...
peace C .

Wheeler · Oct 25, 2010

The Lord will chasten those who are slow of heart to believe..yet, there will be those men who will not depart from their carnal mind. They will not deny their selves for the spiritual Truth. .they will not receive our witness of the Truth.

(John 3:11 KJV) Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.
12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

Only those who have ascended into His knowledge can "descend" to preach the heavenly things to those who are still in their carnal thinking....the earthly things.

13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:

Those that would believe in Him.His Truth in this last day shall not perish but have Life. Those that will not believe in the heavenly things shall perish in their own corruption.waxing worse and worse.deceiving and being deceived. Their own carnal mind will become the reprobate mind.they will be as rejected silver that will not come clean in the refiners fire.

15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Even in the fire of their own minds they still wont come to the knowledge of the Truth.

(Jer 6:28 KJV) They are all grievous revolters, walking with slanders: they are brass and iron; they are all corrupters.
29 The bellows are burned, the lead is consumed of the fire; the founder melteth in vain: for the wicked are not plucked away.
30 Reprobate silver shall men call them, because the LORD hath rejected them.

And this is the condemnation of them.that the revealed heavenly Light of the knowledge of God comes into the church world .and yet there will be men who will not come to that Light because they will HATE the Light and love their carnal minds and deeds (the darkness) more than God.

17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

Some carnally-minded church men will not give up their thinking because that means their deeds would be reproved.

20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

WE are to preach His heavenly Truth to those who are in the fire..pulling them outhating the doctrines and commandments of men.the garment spotted by the flesh of mans carnal thinking.

(Jude 1:22 KJV) And of some have compassion, making a difference:
23 And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.
24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,
25 To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and for ever. Amen.

Chickapee · Oct 25, 2010

Yes,, the Lord has given them over the the spirit of slumber
because they did not love the truth but is for a season time till the fulness of the Gentiles come in

Rom 11:8(According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber,

eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear

unto this day.

And David saith, Let their table be made a snare,

and a trap, and a stumblingblock,

and a recompence unto them:

Let their eyes be darkened,

that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.

I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall?

God forbid: but [rather] through their fall salvation

[is come] unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.

Now if the fall of them [be] the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?

For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles,

I magnify mine office:If by any means I may provoke to emulation

[them which are] my flesh, and might save some of them.

For if the casting away of them [be] the reconciling of the world,

what [shall] the receiving [of them be], but life from the dead?

For if the firstfruit [be] holy, the lump [is] also [holy]:

and if the root [be] holy, so [are] the branches.

17And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree,

wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

18Boast not against the branches.

But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.

19Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off,

that I might be grafted in.
20Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
21For if God spared not the natural branches,

take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God:

on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.
24For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature,

and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree:

how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?
25For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits;

that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
28As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.
29For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
30For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
31Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
32For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
33O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!

34For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?
35Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again? 36For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.

I love this after reading it today , and pray for us all ...that they,as well as we may know Gods love , mercy and grace ... C

Wheeler · Oct 26, 2010

Indeed, the Jews shall be grafted in again.and what a great day that will be! They will be grafted into the Lord once again. They will not be grafted into the Gentile church as it is now.divided in confusion. The Gentile church has been the foolish nation which has been used by God to provoke them to anger..that is quite evident throughout the church history. Foolish = unintelligent, stupid. The Gentile church knows not what it worships.

(Deu 32:21 KJV) They have moved me to jealousy with that which is not God; they have provoked me to anger with their vanities: and I will move them to jealousy with those which are not a people; I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation.

There has been a wrong assumption by the churches.that we are there already.that we know better than they.that we have arrived at the final place. Not so.we have not been better than they.God has shown us that we have ALL been under sin.the missing of the mark of the Truth. We, the Gentile churches, have provoked them to anger by our foolishness per His designHis plan.

(Rom 3:9 KJV) What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;
10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

NONE have correctly understood God in the Spirit and in Truth.

11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:

He has concluded all under sin by design.the missing of the mark of the Scripture of Truthso that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to those who will believe His interpretation of the Scriptures in this last day. When religious man wrests the Scriptures away from its spiritual Truth, he has missed the mark. This was planned.and our Lord comes to hit the mark of the Truth in our minds so that we may repent and be saved. We have to believe in that revealing of the Truth though.

(Gal 3:22 KJV) But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

The Gentile church has not been better than the Jews. The blindness in part is happened to ALL Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in. What fullness are we talking about here? The FULLNESS OF SIN.

(Rom 11:25 KJV) For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

He is coming to deliver us from our sins.and so ALL Israel shall be saved.

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

He shall take away the sins.the missing of the mark of the Truthfrom both the Gentile church and the Jews.

27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

Christ Jesus is that revealed Truth that will save us from the missing of the mark of the Truth. He comes to open up the Scriptures to our understandingso that we may ALL be of ONE mind and ONE Spirit.and ONE body.both Jews and Gentiles. IN Christ Jesus.the TRUTH.there will be neither Jew nor Greek..for we shall all be ONE in Him. We shall properly understand God through the revelation of the Scripture of Truthby the preaching of the proper interpretation of the Scriptures by Christ Jesus. We have NOT reached this point yet.it is a prophecy.

(Gal 3:26 KJV) For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

The Gentile church has not been properly interpreting the Scriptures.that makes us the foolish nation that has been used to provoke them to anger.to jealousy.

(Rom 11:29 KJV) For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

BUT, in this last day, our God shows the church His mercy and forgiveness for being the foolish nation that has badly missed the mark of the Truth. This is still a prophecy.we shall collectively obtain His mercy so that we may show the result of His mercy to the Jews. We shall reveal the Scripture of Truth to them. The first shall be last.and the last first. The Gentile church will be first in the proper understanding of the Scriptures in Christ Jesus so that we may become preachers of that Truth to them. We shall obtain His mercy when we finally understand Him.

30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!
34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?
35 Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again?
36 For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.

God showed Abram that they would serve a nation that would afflict them. It didnt just end many thousands of years ago in Egypt. Spiritually, that nation is the foolish nation of the Gentile church of today.

(Gen 15:13 KJV) And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years;
14 And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance.
15 And thou shalt go to thy fathers in peace; thou shalt be buried in a good old age.

But they shall be grafted in again.. they shall come hither again..when the iniquity of the Amorites is full.when the fullness of sin has come in.

16 But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full.

The sun had went down for them.and it is dark.

17 And it came to pass, that, when the sun went down, and it was dark, behold a smoking furnace, and a burning lamp that passed between those pieces.

The amorites are the church leaders and pastors who will resist the revelation of the Truth. Amorite = prominence. Those that love the preeminence will not receive the love of the Truth and be saved. In their pride they shall exalt themselves against the Truth..the fullness of sin. All sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven men.because they have done it in ignorance of the revealed Truth. God has concluded all men to sin.the missing of the mark of the proper interpretation of the Scriptures. But this has been done per His design in the ignorance of the carnal mind which only sees the exterior, outward letter of the Scriptures.

(Mat 12:31 KJV) Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

But the Spirit of Truth comes to reveal all things that are written in the Scriptures. Then man shall not be ignorant any longer..but, there will be those who in the height of their sinin pridewill exalt themselves against this Truth. They shall rise up to contradict and oppose it.the fullness of sin of the Amorites.

32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
33 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.
34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
35 A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.

The Amorite men will speak against the Truth and will seek to keep others from it. They will do so in the day of judgment when the Word of God in His power will be a swift witness against those who do such. They will not be able to claim ignorance then. Still, all of this is a prophecy for the coming time.

36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

Chickapee · Oct 27, 2010

Thanks Wheeler ... needed to study on the Amorite

Amorite
(From Hitchcock's Bible Names)

bitter; a rebel; a babbler

Amorites (International Standard Bible Encyclopedia) :: Bible Tools

thought of James 3 the tongue and the bitter waters and sweet from the same fountain that ought not be so ,,,,

James 3

1My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation.
2For in many things we offend all. If any man offend not in word, the same is a perfect man, and able also to bridle the whole body.
3Behold, we put bits in the horses' mouths, that they may obey us; and we turn about their whole body.
4Behold also the ships, which though they be so great, and are driven of fierce winds, yet are they turned about with a very small helm, whithersoever the governor listeth.
5Even so the tongue is a little member, and boasteth great things. Behold, how great a matter a little fire kindleth!
6And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell.
7For every kind of beasts, and of birds, and of serpents, and of things in the sea, is tamed, and hath been tamed of mankind:
8But the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison.
9Therewith bless we God, even the Father; and therewith curse we men, which are made after the similitude of God.
10Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be.
11Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet water and bitter?
12Can the fig tree, my brethren, bear olive berries? either a vine, figs? so can no fountain both yield salt water and fresh.
13Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom.
14But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth.
15This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish.
16For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work.
17But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy. 18And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.

blessings C ..

Chickapee · Oct 27, 2010

Eph 4:17¶This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind,

Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them,

because of the blindness of their heart:

Who being past feeling have given themselves over unto lasciviousness,

to work all uncleanness with greediness.

But ye have not so learned Christ;

If so be that ye have heard him,

and have been taught by him,

as the truth is in Jesus

Wheeler · Oct 27, 2010

Hi Chickapee, I'm still thinking about the Jews and how they are to be grafted in again.

Ever notice the gospel of Johns focus being on the Jews? He uses that phrase many times throughout his gospel. In John 11, Lazarus being resurrected to life is a hidden reference to the grafting in again of the Jews.the raising of them from death to life again. The Lord loves His people who have been cut off because of unbelief.they are His beloved because of the fathers.

(John 11:3 KJV) Therefore his sisters sent unto him, saying, Lord, behold, he whom thou lovest is sick.

And yet this sicknessthe cutting off of the natural branches. is not unto death. It is not permanent....they shall be grafted in again.

4 When Jesus heard that, he said, This sickness is not unto death, but for the glory of God, that the Son of God might be glorified thereby.

But for the glory of God, they shall be raised back into Life in God. The receiving of them shall be life from the dead:

(Rom 11:15 KJV) For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?

The Lord has made His abode with the Gentile church while they had been sick.

John 11:5 Now Jesus loved Martha, and her sister, and Lazarus.
6 When he had heard therefore that he was sick, he abode two days still in the same place where he was.

But it is the Lords intention to return to them.to receive them again into His Life and peace.

7 Then after that saith he to his disciples, Let us go into Judaea again.

They had sought to stone him 2000 years agothey previously did not believe in His words and rebelled against the Messenger of the Truth. But He shall go there again.but this time they will listen and receive Him.

8 His disciples say unto him, Master, the Jews of late sought to stone thee; and goest thou thither again?

Are there not 12 hours in the Day?are there not 12 tribes of Israel in the Day of salvation.in the Day of revelation? All Israel shall be saved.. both Jew and Gentile. We are not complete without them. Sin shall be turned from Jacob.no longer shall any man walk in the night because of the darkness.because of the lack of the spiritual knowledge of God.

9 Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world.

Christ Jesus is that Light.he is the Truth, the Life, the Way, the Resurrection, the Wisdom of God. Christ Jesus is the Light that shall come to themthe knowledge of God shall resurrect them into Life again.

10 But if a man walk in the night, he stumbleth, because there is no light in him.
11 These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep.

And of course, many have taken the Word of God as literally as possiblethe carnal mind that is darkened by only seeing the outward letter of the Scriptures.

12 Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep, he shall do well.
13 Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep.
14 Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.
15 And I am glad for your sakes that I was not there, to the intent ye may believe; nevertheless let us go unto him.

Thomas went along with Jesus. Thomas is called Didymusthe twin. WE, the Gentile church, are the younger (born last) twin brother of the Jews so to speak. The first born brother sold his birthright by not believing in the words of Jesus.

16 Then said Thomas, which is called Didymus, unto his fellowdisciples, Let us also go, that we may die with him.
17 Then when Jesus came, he found that he had lain in the grave four days already.
18 Now Bethany was nigh unto Jerusalem, about fifteen furlongs off:
19 And many of the Jews came to Martha and Mary, to comfort them concerning their brother.
20 Then Martha, as soon as she heard that Jesus was coming, went and met him: but Mary sat still in the house.
21 Then said Martha unto Jesus, Lord, if thou hadst been here, my brother had not died.
22 But I know, that even now, whatsoever thou wilt ask of God, God will give it thee.

The brother = the Jews.shall rise again.

23 Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again.
24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.

Jesus is the revelation of the Truth in this last day.he is the resurrection and the life. Even though we/they have been dead in trespasses and sins.asleep to righteousness, if we believe in His preaching of the Scripture of Truthwe shall live.

25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

How good and how pleasant it is for brothers to dwell TOGETHER IN UNITY. The Jews and Gentiles are brothers who shall dwell together in the same Spirit of Truth. There shall no longer be that distinction of Jew and Gentile in Christ Jesusbut we shall be of ONE mind and ONE body.Christ Jesus.

(Psa 133:1 KJV) A Song of degrees of David. Behold, how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity!

For where two or three are gathered together in His name, there am I in the midst of them..Jew and Gentile within Christ.

(Mat 18:20 KJV) For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

Even though they had been enemies of us because of the gospelwe are to forgive our brother. Yes, we are to forgive all of our brothers of their sins against us. But in Matthew 18, this is going much deeper. Jesus is speaking about the Jews (our brothers) who sin against the us church.speaking against it.not knowing what they do.

21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?

The seven times speaks of Cain who rose up against Abel his brother and slew him. Jesus was that brother who testified to them about their deeds being eviland they were envious of Jesus.and slew him. Jesus was a keeper of sheep and the Pharisees and scribes were tillers of the ground.doing works of mens doctrines and commandments.

(Gen 4:8 KJV) And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him.

And continuing in Matthew, Jesus said we need to forgive our brother.the Jewsfor their sins against us until seventy times seven.

Matthew 18:22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.

The seventy times seven also comes from Genesis. Lamech which means powerful is a veiled reference to how they treated Jesus. They wrestled with and prevailed over the angel of the Lord.Jesus. Lamech had slain a man to my wounding and a young man to his hurt..in other words, they had slain the young man Jesus to their own detriment. They had power over him.in the hour of darkness.and was crucified.to their own wounding.

(Gen 4:23 KJV) And Lamech said unto his wives, Adah and Zillah, Hear my voice; ye wives of Lamech, hearken unto my speech: for I have slain a man to my wounding, and a young man to my hurt.
24 If Cain shall be avenged sevenfold, truly Lamech seventy and sevenfold.

They had power over him..it was their hour and the power of darkness. Lamech means powerful..and they had slain a manJesusto their own hurt.

(Luke 22:53 KJV) When I was daily with you in the temple, ye stretched forth no hands against me: but this is your hour, and the power of darkness.

Like Cains punishment, they went out from the presence of the Lord and dwelt in the land of Nod which means wandering, exile. To this day, they are still wandering in the spiritual land of Nod.

(Gen 4:16 KJV) And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.

The Jews have been in exile from the presence of the Lord until the appointed time of fulfillment.the seventy times seven. The seventy times seven is the completed plan of God.when everything comes together for His glory to be displayed. The seventy times seven is the same seventy sevens found in Daniel. Seventy weeks = seventy sevens.

(Dan 9:24 KJV) Seventy weeks are determined upon thy peopleand upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

And again, Jesus stated that we are to forgive our brothersa veiled reference to the Jews. UNTIL seventy times seven..when everything is completed according to Gods plan. Until then, our brother has resented the Christian church....and yet we are to show compassion toward our brothers....our first-born "twin" brother.

(Mat 18:22 KJV) Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.
23 Therefore is the kingdom of heaven likened unto a certain king, which would take account of his servants.

We, the Gentile church, are the servant whom the Lord has forgiven of our sins.

24 And when he had begun to reckon, one was brought unto him, which owed him ten thousand talents.
25 But forasmuch as he had not to pay, his lord commanded him to be sold, and his wife, and children, and all that he had, and payment to be made.
26 The servant therefore fell down, and worshipped him, saying, Lord, have patience with me, and I will pay thee all.

The Lord in His mercy has forgiven the Gentile church of its sins.forgiven the debt.

27 Then the lord of that servant was moved with compassion, and loosed him, and forgave him the debt.

And yet, the church in the past has laid hands on the Jews in order to force them into accepting Christ.or rather. forcing them into their own brand of religion. Mercy has not been shown to our brothers by doing so. Compassion is not shown to them when we belittle them in the prideful religious mind.

28 But the same servant went out, and found one of his fellowservants, which owed him an hundred pence: and he laid hands on him, and took him by the throat, saying, Pay me that thou owest.
29 And his fellowservant fell down at his feet, and besought him, saying, Have patience with me, and I will pay thee all.
30 And he would not: but went and cast him into prison, till he should pay the debt.
31 So when his fellowservants saw what was done, they were very sorry, and came and told unto their lord all that was done.
32 Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me:

We should have compassion upon them.

33 Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee?

And we are to remember that if God spared not the natural branches, we are to take heed lest He not spare us also:

34 And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.
35 So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.

The Lord shall complete these sayings (seventy times seven)..He will come into the coasts of Judaea again.He shall receive the Jews again..our brothers who we are to forgive.

19:1 And it came to pass, that when Jesus had finished these sayings, he departed from Galilee, and came into the coasts of Judaeabeyond Jordan;

We are not to exalt ourselves over the branches.the Jews. that were broken off. we are not to lay our hands upon them and take them by the throatso to speak.

(Rom 11:18 KJV) Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.
20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

We should have compassion on the natural branches.our brothers.and pity them as God has been good to us.He has forgiven our debt. Remember the goodness He has shown the Gentile church and the severity that was shown to those who were cut off because of unbelief.

22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

God shall graft them in again. until the seventy times sevenuntil His appointed time of fulfillment, we are to forgive them of their trespasses against us.

23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.

continued in next post....

Wheeler · Oct 28, 2010

.....CONTINUED FROM PREVIOUS POST.

Our Lord Jesus Christ speaks through Pauls letter to Philemon to us in this last day. We, the Gentile church, are Philemon.those who are friends of God who believe in His revealed Word. Onesimus is a veiled reference to the Jews.

(Phile 1:10 KJV) I beseech thee for my son Onesimus, whom I have begotten in my bonds:

Onesimus means useful, profitable. In times past, they have been unprofitable to us because they have been in their unbelief. But NOW.to the Lordthey are to become profitable to Himand us.

11 Which in time past was to thee unprofitable, but now profitable to thee and to me:

The Lord receives them.and we, the Gentiles, are to receive them also.

12 Whom I have sent again: thou therefore receive him, that is, mine own bowels:
13 Whom I would have retained with me, that in thy stead he might have ministered unto me in the bonds of the gospel:
14 But without thy mind would I do nothing; that thy benefit should not be as it were of necessity, but willingly.

They had departed for a season.in unbelief. Like Cain, they had wandered in the spiritual land of Nod.wandering away from the presence of the Lord. But NOWin the appointed time....they are to be received of Him again. And we are to receive them for ever.

15 For perhaps he therefore departed for a season, that thou shouldest receive him for ever;

No longer will they be subservient in regards to their position to the Lord. The Gentiles have enjoyed their closeness to the Lord while our twin brother had departed from Him (the branches were broken off because of unbelief.) We are to receive them not as that servant but as a brother beloved. They are the beloved of the Lord because of the fathers.

16 Not now as a servant, but above a servant, a brother beloved, specially to me, but how much more unto thee, both in the flesh, and in the Lord?

Again, we are to receive them as if receiving Paul.or rather receiving the Lord Himself.

17 If thou count me therefore a partner, receive him as myself.

If they have wronged us.or OWE us.we are to put that on the Lords account. We are to forgive them in the Lord for the hostility they have shown the church.

18 If he hath wronged thee, or oweth thee ought, put that on mine account;
19 I Paul have written it with mine own hand, I will repay it: albeit I do not say to thee how thou owest unto me even thine own self besides.

We are to remember how He has forgiven us of our sins.we are to remember His mercy upon us. We are to forgive them as well.

(Mat 18:28 KJV) But the same servant went out, and found one of his fellowservants, which owed him an hundred pence: and he laid hands on him, and took him by the throat, saying, Pay me that thou owest.

Continuing in Philemon:

20 Yea, brother, let me have joy of thee in the Lord: refresh my bowels in the Lord.

We are to be obedient to the Lord and receive them as our brother in the Lord....in the revealing of the Truth.

21 Having confidence in thy obedience I wrote unto thee, knowing that thou wilt also do more than I say.

We are to receive the Jews in the revelation of the Truth as a brother...and forgiving them of their past transgressions against us. They have been hostile to us but we are to receive them as a brother. It has all been part of Gods plans from the beginning. WE are to prepare ourselves for the Lord..to prepare Him a lodging by receiving each other in love in the Truth.Christ Jesus. The Lord shall dwell with us. When two or three are gathered together in unity.....there is the Lord among us.

22 But withal prepare me also a lodging: for I trust that through your prayers I shall be given unto you.
23 There salute thee Epaphras, my fellowprisoner in Christ Jesus;
24 Marcus, Aristarchus, Demas, Lucas, my fellowlabourers.
25 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit. Amen.

We.the Gentiles and the Jews.are to be built together for a lodging.a habitation of God through the Spirit. When we are that new one man, there will be no distinction of Jew and Gentile in Christ Jesus.

(Eph 2:22 KJV) In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

Our Lord is our peace and He will make both brothers.the Jews and the Gentiles ONE in Him. He shall break down the middle wall of partition between us.

(Eph 2:14 KJV) For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

He will make the two ONE new man. There will no longer be the enmity.the hostility.the opposition.between Jew and Gentile.

15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

Even though a brother is born for adversity.a friend of God loves at ALL times.

(Prov 17:17 KJV) A friend loveth at all times, and a brother is born for adversity.

But how good and how pleasant is for the brothers (Jews and Gentiles) to dwell together in unity. For when and where they are gathered together..there is the Great I am.

(Psa 133:1 KJV) A Song of degrees of David. Behold, how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity!

When the Jews and Gentiles are gathered together in the revealed Truth, we are prepared as a habitation of God in the Spirit. We will have prepared for Him a lodging as stated in Philemon. When we are gathered together.both brothers getting along in the Scripture of Truth..there is God in the midst of us.

(Mat 18:20 KJV) For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

We, the Gentile church, are to forgive them until God has completed His plans.until the seventy times seven completion.when we are finally brought together.

21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?
22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.

Chickapee · Oct 28, 2010

GREAT POSTING Amen we are to pray for them ,as our own !! I am so glad you brought this up , because of the fathers sakes Wheeler ,
Been thinking of how so many dies in faith not receiving the promises Heb 11
is that slept with their fathers ? many slept with the fathers awaiting the Christ /resurrection /promises of God

and before the difference being they died and were buried verses they slept with their fathers from David ] on and the Lord Jesus said let the dead bury the dead you follow Me , Him being the resurrection and the Life

because Jesus Christ did come though the loins of David according to the flesh ..

Rom 1:3Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;

And declared [to be] the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness,

by the resurrection from the dead:

By whom we have received grace and apostleship,

for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name

Among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ David was that sign or clue ,the elect ;

sleeping with the fathers and those who sleep in Jesus
1Th 4:14For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again,

even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

the first shall be last and the last shall be first for many are called but few are chosen ....

Mat 24:22And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved:

but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

Mar 13:20And except that the Lord had shortened those days,

no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen,

he hath shortened the days.

Rom 9:28For he will finish the work, and cut [it] short in righteousness:

because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth.
Gen 5:5And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.
Gen 5:8And all the days of Seth were nine hundred and twelve years: and he died.

Gen 5:11And all the days of Enos were nine hundred and five years: and he died.

Gen 5:14And all the days of Cainan were nine hundred and ten years: and he died.

Gen 5:20And all the days of Jared were nine hundred sixty and two years: and he died.

Gen 5:27And all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred sixty and nine years: and he died.

Gen 9:29And all the days of Noah were nine hundred and fifty years: and he died.

Gen 5:31And all the days of Lamech were seven hundred seventy and seven years: and he died.

Gen 25:7¶And these [are] the days of the years of Abraham's life which he lived, an hundred threescore and fifteen years.

Deu 34:7And Moses [was] an hundred and twenty years old when he died:

his eye was not dim, nor his natural force abated.

1Ki 2:10So David slept with his fathers, and was buried in the city of David.

And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,

Mat 27:53And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city,

and appeared unto many.
Psa 90:10The days of our years [are] threescore years and ten;

and if by reason of strength [they be] fourscore years,

yet [is] their strength labour and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away.
, but the Lord says in His word time is at hand and our time is always and He comes Quickly ,

and cut in righteousness it is a short finishing work !

lots to consider in this ! Blessings C ..

Chickapee · Oct 28, 2010

now Wheeler , ya got me thinking !
Mal 4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:

Mal 4:6And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.
Mat 11:11 Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force. For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John. And if ye will receive [it], this is Elias, which was for to come. He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

wow ! this is a powerful truth ! Jesus is the great and dreadful Day of the Lord when speaking to this generation ...

Hope to find more

Romans 2

.For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written.

For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law:

but if thou be a breaker of the law,

thy circumcision is made uncircumcision.
Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?
And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law?

For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither [is that] circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
Rom 2:29But he [is] a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision [is that] of the heart, in the spirit, [and] not in the letter; whose praise [is] not of men, but of God.

wow , seems the Jews kept the letter of the law but broke other laws ... Jesus warns here of that .. making it of none effect

Mat 23:23Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier [matters] of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.Ye] blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.

they are blinded for the purpose of Christ to come and judge the world in righteousness ....

Wheeler · Oct 29, 2010

Chickapee,

My thinking about the many of the biblical saints that went to sleep with the fathers is that it is their witness as recorded in the Scriptures that has been closed to mans spiritual understanding. For example, in Daniel, we find that the words have been shut up and the Book sealed until the time of the end. In other words, the biblical saints words is what is truly asleep in the grave of mans mind..his understanding. It is Christ who comes to enliven the Scriptures for us in this last day.when the knowledge of God is increasedmany shall awake.

(Dan 12:4 KJV) But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

The saints words of the Bible is what is closed up and sealed until the time of the end.when He will open up the tombs of mans understanding.and the words of the
Bible shall stand up in Lifein Christ Jesus. Daniel heard but did not understand. Likewise, religious men have heard the words of the Bible but have not truly understood.

(Dan 12:8 KJV) And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?

Daniel was told to go thy way..his words would rest with the fathers in anticipation of Christ Jesus coming to enliven their words in the Spirit of Truth.

9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

Again, Daniel is told to go thy way until the end when his words would stand in his lot at the end of days. Christ Jesus would come to increase the knowledge of the words of Daniel in the Spirit of Truth. Their witness is what is resting.or asleep with the rest of the fathers.Moses and the prophets. I sincerely believe Daniel is not dead but living with God.only his witness here on earth is what is asleep. It is Daniels inheritance to have his words interpreted by Christ in the last daywho is the spiritual, living Truth of Daniels words.

(Dan 12:13 KJV) But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.

David rejoiced in knowing the Christ Jesus would come to interpret Davids testimony.his witness of Christ Jesus.

(Acts 2:25 KJV) For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:

His flesh shall rest in hope.his witness shall rest in the hope of being interpreted by Christ Jesus in the last day.

26 Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope:

David wrote Psalms.his witness would not be left in the hell of mans carnal mindjust as Jesus died and rose again. He spoke of the resurrection of Christ. Christ arose from the dead.and so Davids witness shall also be enlivened with the knowledge of God in the last day. Davids witness shall rise up from the tomb of mans understanding..and his message will not see the corruption in the mind of Christ.

27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

With His countenance.with the interpretation of Christ Jesus.shall Davids witness by made full of joy. David shall rejoice when we really understand his witness as recorded in the Scriptures.

28 Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance.

His sepulcher is with us to this day.right here in front of us. The sepulcher = the book of Psalms not being understood by the carnal mind who only looks on the outward appearance of his words. Man reads the book of Psalms in its historical contextkeeping it in its sepulcher. But it is Christ Jesuswho is the Truth of Psalms.that shall open up the book for our understanding. The saints words shall open up and be enlivened within our minds.in the mind of Christ.

29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

To this day.religious man does not understand with his carnal mind the books of Moses.

(Deu 34:5 KJV) So Moses the servant of the LORD died there in the land of Moab, according to the word of the LORD.

No man knows the five books of Moses yet without the mind of Christ coming to open up them for our understanding. Our Lord comes to open up the Scriptures for our understanding.He is the resurrection of the words of Moses. He comes to open up the sepulcher of Moses writings in the mind of man. Moses witness shall be enlivened in our minds. But as of yet, NO MAN knows Moses sepulcher.his writings.unto this day.until the day that knowledge will be increased.

6 And he buried him in a valley in the land of Moab, over against Bethpeor: but no man knoweth of his sepulchre unto this day.
7 And Moses was an hundred and twenty years old when he died: his eye was not dim, nor his natural force abated.
8 And the children of Israel wept for Moses in the plains of Moab thirty days: so the days of weeping and mourning for Moses were ended.

Like Joshua, Christ Jesus comes to give us the spirit of wisdom so that we may understand Moses and all of the rest of the Scriptures. We are to hearken to him when he speaks to us in this last day. We are to hear his interpretation of Moses writings.for it is Truth.

9 And Joshua the son of Nun was full of the spirit of wisdom; for Moses had laid his hands upon him: and the children of Israel hearkened unto him, and did as the LORD commanded Moses.

2000 years ago, religious man threw away the key of knowledge to Moses writings.and all of the prophets writings. If they had listened to Jesus, then they would have the key to enter into the understanding of them. The writings of Moses and the prophets are the kingdom. They could have completely understood them.

(Luke 11:46 KJV) And he said, Woe unto you also, ye lawyers! for ye lade men with burdens grievous to be borne, and ye yourselves touch not the burdens with one of your fingers.

But, instead, they built their sepulchers.they had beautified the books of the Scriptures with their own carnal understandingwith their own doctrines and commandments of men. They did not listen to the Truth.Jesusand instead clung ont their own vain words and deeds.

47 Woe unto you! for ye build the sepulchres of the prophets, and your fathers killed them.
48 Truly ye bear witness that ye allow the deeds of your fathers: for they indeed killed them, and ye build their sepulchres.
49 Therefore also said the wisdom of God, I will send them prophets and apostles, and some of them they shall slay and persecute:
50 That the blood of all the prophets, which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation;
51 From the blood of Abel unto the blood of Zacharias, which perished between the altar and the temple: verily I say unto you, It shall be required of this generation.

They had taken away the key of knowledge by not listening to Jesus who had the Truth for them. They had taken away the key that would have opened up the sepulchers of Moses and all the prophets writings. To this day, that key is still taken away because of them. No Jew and no Gentile has spiritually understood Moses writings. Only Christ Jesus comes to open up the tomb so that we may understand in the mind of Christ what is truly being said.

52 Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered.

Christ Jesus shall descend from heaven with a shout..he shall send forth the Spirit of Truth. yielded up = send forth. This is all a prophesy for the last day here:

(Mat 27:50 KJV) Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.

The Scriptures shall open up.the veil of the Scriptures shall be reveal the hidden Truth from the top to the bottom.all of the Scriptures shall be opened up completely by Christ Jesus.

51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;

The graves shall open up.the books of the Bible shall open up to mans understanding. The witness of the saints which has slept shall arise in the understanding of man. Daniel shall stand up in his inheritance in the mind of Christ. Their words shall reveal the glory of God..His eternal wisdom and knowledge.

52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,

The enlivened words of the Scriptures shall be manifested to many. The holy city is the wisdom of God. They shall speak the wisdom of Godand those that will hear and obey shall also enter into His wisdom.He shall give us the spirit of wisdom and revelation.

53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.
54 Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.

When religious man literalizes the resurrection, he does err....NOT KNOWING THE SCRIPTURES.

(Mat 22:28 KJV) Therefore in the resurrection whose wife shall she be of the seven? for they all had her.
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.

For in the resurrection, the witness of the saints shall speak their spiritual Truth in the knowledge of God. And our inheritance is to repeat what the Spirit reveals to us in the Scripture of Truth....we become as the messengers of heaven....along with the enlivened message of Moses and all the prophets. We become preachers of the revealed Word of Truth. The "seven" = the seven churches who have had Jezebel as a wife all these years.

30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
31 But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying,
32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

Wheeler · Oct 30, 2010

The Scriptures themselves have suffered just as Jesus had.being crucified by the wresting of religious mans carnal mind..that only looks upon the exterior meanings of the Bible. The Scriptures have been also crucified at the place of a skull.Golgotha.the carnal mind. The Word was made flesh.

(Mat 27:33 KJV) And when they were come unto a place called Golgotha, that is to say, a place of a skull,

To be carnally-minded is death:

(Rom 8:5 KJV) For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

But Jesus had died for our sins.our missing of the mark of the Scripture of Truth. He had died for the things that we have ignorantly taught and preached in the carnal, darkness of our minds.the place of a skull. They have parted his raiment and cast lots.they have taken the Scriptures and wrest them for unjust gain. They have divided up the church by the carnal mind.

(Luke 23:34 KJV) Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots.

The Scriptures are the complete body of Jesus Christ that had been prepared for the ultimate sacrifice. All the biblical saints are a part of his body..and it is their witness that has become flesh in the mind of man. All of our sins are done in ignorance of the true testimony of their words. We are forgiven for this ignorance by his sacrifice..the Word without the Spirit of Truth.

(Heb 10:4 KJV) For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.

It is the volume of the Book that is the ultimate sacrifice. It is the complete body of Christ Jesus that had been prepared.

7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.

Sacrifices, offerings, burnt offerings and sin offerings were only shadows.typesthat were kept until the completion of the volume of the Book. These things were done in anticipationin faithof the completion of the volume of the Book..which is the ultimate sacrifice that was prepared by God.

8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

The entire, completed Scriptures represents the body of Jesus Christ who is offered once for all.

10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

The carnal mind of men has slain the true witness of the volume of the Book..the complete body of Christ. The biblical witnesses hold His testimony.but it is the fleshly mind of man that wrests the Scripturescrucifying them at the place of the skull.

(Rev 6:9 KJV) And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

Their testimony which they hold has been sacrificed by those who dwell on the earth.the carnal, fleshly mind who only looks upon the exterior, plain meaning of the Word. When religious, carnal man interprets the Word of God in his own understanding (the cross.the pole,) he brings divisions, strife, envy, hatred, blasphemies into the church. But we are forgiven for the things that we do in our ignorance..He does not judge us as we should be.because of the sacrifice.

10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

The witnesses are to rest for a little season.while their fellowservants also should be killed. The writers of the New Testament also would have their witness killed by the wresting of the carnal mind.

11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

God had set forth the apostles last.appointed to death of the carnal mind of religious man. Their witness has been not understood in the Truth.their writings have been made a spectacle unto the world.by the fleshly-minded men of the church. It is Gods plan that the witnesses words of the Bible would be appointed to the death. This sacrifice of the Scriptures is the body of Christ Jesus that was prepared and the apostles were the last addition to his body.

1 Cor 4:9 For I think that God hath set forth us the apostles last, as it were appointed to death: for we are made a spectacle unto the world, and to angels, and to men.

Indeed, they were to drink of the same cup and be baptized by the same baptism as Jesus literally did.

(Mark 10:37 KJV) They said unto him, Grant unto us that we may sit, one on thy right hand, and the other on thy left hand, in thy glory.
38 But Jesus said unto them, Ye know not what ye ask: can ye drink of the cup that I drink of? and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with?
39 And they said unto him, We can. And Jesus said unto them, Ye shall indeed drink of the cup that I drink of; and with the baptism that I am baptized withal shall ye be baptized:

The apostles testimony represents the feet of the body of Christ that has been nailed to the cross of mans carnal understanding. Jesus washed his disciples feet.and so their testimony shall be washed in the revealing of the testimony of His Truth. The Scriptures can be seen in its entirety as a body. The head is the writings of Moses..the hands are the writings of the prophets.and the feet are the writings of the apostlesthe New Testament. Moses writings represent the head..and the skin of his face shall shine in the revelation of Christ Jesus. Moses words shall shine with the spiritual meaning of Christ Jesus.who is the Spirit of the body.

(Exo 34:30 KJV) And when Aaron and all the children of Israel saw Moses, behold, the skin of his face shone; and they were afraid to come nigh him.

The writings of the Prophets represents the hands..they support the writings of Moses.

(Exo 17:11 KJV) And it came to pass, when Moses held up his hand, that Israel prevailed: and when he let down his hand, Amalek prevailed.

Aaron and Hur represents the writings of the prophets. Their words have also been nailed to the cross of mans carnal understanding..the inanimate polethe tree that has no life in it.

12 But Moses' hands were heavy; and they took a stone, and put it under him, and he sat thereon; and Aaron and Hur stayed up his hands, the one on the one side, and the other on the other side; and his hands were steady until the going down of the sun.

Christ Jesus testimony (Joshua).his revealing of the Scripture of Truth.shall triumph over the enemy who preaches the Bible in his fleshly mind (the Amaleks).who will war against the people of the Truth. He comes with the edge of the swordthe Spirit of His mouth.

13 And Joshua discomfited Amalek and his people with the edge of the sword.
14 And the LORD said unto Moses, Write this for a memorial in a book, and rehearse it in the ears of Joshua: for I will utterly put out the remembrance of Amalek from under heaven.

The Spirit of the body that has been prepared is Christ Jesus.the Spirit of Life who by his preaching through the true interpretation of the Scriptures gives true Life to those who hear with their ears. The body without the Spirit of Christ is dead.

(James 2:26 KJV) For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

There is no life in the body of the Scriptures without the Spirit of Christ interpreting them for us.

(John 5:39 KJV) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

It is his testimony.his interpretation of the Scriptures that have true Life in the words.

40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

Carnally-minded men only preach what they understand on the earth.in his own private interpretation of the Scriptures. They preach themselves.in order to receive honor from other like-minded men. Those who only love their own religious vain glory in this world will not come to the Light.Christ Jesus.

41 I receive not honour from men.
42 But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.
43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

The body of the Scriptures is dead without the Spirit of Christ interpreting them for us. When man preaches with his own carnal mind, the Word of the Lord is like the dry bones

(Ezek 37:4 KJV) Again he said unto me, Prophesy upon these bones, and say unto them, O ye dry bones, hear the word of the LORD.

The Lord shall breathe LIFE into them by the Spirit of Christ.

5 Thus saith the Lord GOD unto these bones; Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live:

The Word was made flesh.but the Spirit gives it Lifeand brings life to those who hear the Spirit of Truth in this last day.

6 And I will lay sinews upon you, and will bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and ye shall live; and ye shall know that I am the LORD.

God had prepared the body.

7 So I prophesied as I was commanded: and as I prophesied, there was a noise, and behold a shaking, and the bones came together, bone to his bone.

The carnal, religious mind has privately interpreted the Scriptures for himself..there is no life in his teachings and commandments of men.. flesh came up upon them.

8 And when I beheld, lo, the sinews and the flesh came up upon them, and the skin covered them above: but there was no breath in them.

The carnal mind has slain the testimony of the witnesses of the Scriptures at the place of a skull. But it is the Spirit of Christ who will enliven their testimonies.which brings life to their hearers in this last day.

9 Then said he unto me, Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy, son of man, and say to the wind, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live.
10 So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army.
11 Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.
12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

Their words shall be opened up to our understanding. We are to awake from the dust of mans private interpretations and live in Christ Jesus.

13 And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,

The body without the Spirit of Christ is dead..but He sends the Spirit of Truth to us who shall reveal all the hidden mysteries of the Scriptures.

14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the LORD have spoken it, and performed it, saith the LORD.
15 The word of the LORD came again unto me, saying,

By the revealing of the Scripture of Truth by the Spirit, we (both Jew and Gentile) shall be of ONE mind and ONE body in Christ Jesus.the Truth. We shall be ONE STICK in His hand.in the power of God.by knowing the Scriptures in the mind of Christ.where there is true life and peace. The carnal mind has only brought deathdivisions and hatred into the church. The spiritual mind shall bring life.

16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions:
17 And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.
18 And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not show us what thou meanest by these?
19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.

Chickapee · Oct 30, 2010

Wheeler said:
Chickapee,

My thinking about the many of the biblical saints that went to sleep with the fathers is that it is their witness as recorded in the Scriptures that has been closed to mans spiritual understanding. For example, in Daniel, we find that the words have been shut up and the Book sealed until the time of the end. In other words, the biblical saints words is what is truly asleep in the grave of mans mind..his understanding. It is Christ who comes to enliven the Scriptures for us in this last day.when the knowledge of God is increasedmany shall awake.

(Dan 12:4 KJV) But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

The saints words of the Bible is what is closed up and sealed until the time of the end.when He will open up the tombs of mans understanding.and the words of the
Bible shall stand up in Lifein Christ Jesus. Daniel heard but did not understand. Likewise, religious men have heard the words of the Bible but have not truly understood.

(Dan 12:8 KJV) And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?

Daniel was told to go thy way..his words would rest with the fathers in anticipation of Christ Jesus coming to enliven their words in the Spirit of Truth.

9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

To this day.religious man does not understand with his carnal mind the books of Moses.

(Deu 34:5 KJV) So Moses the servant of the LORD died there in the land of Moab, according to the word of the LORD.

But, instead, they built their sepulchers.they had beautified the books of the Scriptures with their own carnal understandingwith their own doctrines and commandments of men. They did not listen to the Truth.Jesusand instead clung ont their own vain words and deeds.

47 Woe unto you! for ye build the sepulchres of the prophets, and your fathers killed them.
48 Truly ye bear witness that ye allow the deeds of your fathers: for they indeed killed them, and ye build their sepulchres.
49 Therefore also said the wisdom of God, I will send them prophets and apostles, and some of them they shall slay and persecute:
50 That the blood of all the prophets, which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation;
51 From the blood of Abel unto the blood of Zacharias, which perished between the altar and the temple: verily I say unto you, It shall be required of this generation.

They had taken away the key of knowledge by not listening to Jesus who had the Truth for them. They had taken away the key that would have opened up the sepulchers of Moses and all the prophets writings. To this day, that key is still taken away because of them. No Jew and no Gentile has spiritually understood Moses writings. Only Christ Jesus comes to open up the tomb so that we may understand in the mind of Christ what is truly being said.

52 Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered.

Christ Jesus shall descend from heaven with a shout..he shall send forth the Spirit of Truth. yielded up = send forth. This is all a prophesy for the last day here:

(Mat 27:50 KJV) Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.

The Scriptures shall open up.the veil of the Scriptures shall be reveal the hidden Truth from the top to the bottom.all of the Scriptures shall be opened up completely by Christ Jesus.

51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;

The graves shall open up.the books of the Bible shall open up to mans understanding. The witness of the saints which has slept shall arise in the understanding of man. Daniel shall stand up in his inheritance in the mind of Christ. Their words shall reveal the glory of God..His eternal wisdom and knowledge.

52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,

The enlivened words of the Scriptures shall be manifested to many. The holy city is the wisdom of God. They shall speak the wisdom of Godand those that will hear and obey shall also enter into His wisdom.He shall give us the spirit of wisdom and revelation.

53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.
54 Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.

When religious man literalizes the resurrection, he does err....NOT KNOWING THE SCRIPTURES.

(Mat 22:28 KJV) Therefore in the resurrection whose wife shall she be of the seven? for they all had her.
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.

For in the resurrection, the witness of the saints shall speak their spiritual Truth in the knowledge of God. And our inheritance is to repeat what the Spirit reveals to us in the Scripture of Truth....we become as the messengers of heaven....along with the enlivened message of Moses and all the prophets. We become preachers of the revealed Word of Truth. The "seven" = the seven churches who have had Jezebel as a wife all these years.

30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
31 But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying,
32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

I have read this 3 times even slept on it , prayed about it with much consideration , and Wheeler you are so right!!!!!

I realize that , its true , no one gets all the WORD OF GOD !

No one has ever been given complete revelation concerning the LORD GOD ALMIGHTY !
If we say that we do we are
deceiving ourselves , our hearts are being judged and searched out , over these things ...
I do want to thank you personally for being so faithful in your diligence
concerning the Scriptures ...

I realize that no one while being in the flesh still has the full measure of the Spirit of God its 7 times brighter than the sun ...
in a literal sense , we know that is not possible to bear and in the Spiritual sense I do see this as the same
ONLY JESUS was able to bear it and those found in Christ Jesus are just now seeing Him as the are able to bear even a piece/lot of it .. Paul seems to have been given so much and how careful he was NOT TO BLASPHEME the Name of God and instruct what he was given and able to bear ,as a father though the gospel , he warns also as they all do even Jesus with much correction and instruction ...
my how foolish peoples hearts are to think they can do anything without the fear of the Lord upon them first and formost !!

its a dread and fear to fall into the hands of the Living God ,,,
who can stand ! I was reading Malachi a few chapters
Mal 1:6A son honoureth [his] father, and a servant his master: if then I [be] a father, where [is] mine honour? and if I [be] a master, where [is] my fear? saith the LORD of hosts unto you, O priests, that despise my name. And ye say, Wherein have we despised thy name?

This come to mind we serve the Lord first and are judged accordingly , the cleansing , and preparing to meet Him , than are the Sons of God born of faith in Jesus Christ and the Word of God
in the Kingdom , not other way possible .

1Cr 4:15For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet [have ye] not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.

Its strange but many places I have looked to the Sun as the fathers ruler of the Day and moon as a mothers ruler of the night and the stars also the life or Light in them, the knowledge of God was Christ Spirit of annointing

Jhn 1:4In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

when I tried to see Jesus as the Sun this part failed me here

Rev 21:23And the city had no need of the sun/ fathers , neither of the moon/mothers , to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb [is] the light thereof.

Rev 22:5And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.
so Peter kind of confirms this here

1Pe 1:10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace [that should come] unto you: Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves,

but unto us they did minister the things,

which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into

.Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ

so they are the fathers / by the Spirit of Christ in them that rule the day for this sign that signifies ....

And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
Gen 1:16And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: [he made] the stars also.
1Jo 2:13I write unto you, fathers, because ye have known him [that is] from the beginning. I write unto you, young men, because ye have overcome the wicked one. I write unto you, little children, because ye have known the Father.

1Jo 2:14I have written unto you, fathers, because ye have known him [that is] from the beginning. I have written unto you, young men, because ye are strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and ye have overcome the wicked one.

just looking into this knowledge / Light of God in parts , little pieces till Jesus come in the fulness and yet there is much more !!
I can see its true! Jhn 5:39Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life. I receive not honour from men.But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.
its the word abiding in us as well as Christ Spirit and the one True God the Holy Father of all things forever !

wow what a great discovery when thoughtfully considering these things carefully and respectfully , looked at fathers also mothers
and can see the connections now !
much blessings in Jesus holy name C ...

Chickapee · Oct 30, 2010

ps I tried to post all your post and what reply I had made and it was to long , so I did have to cut some of it short .

I did read it though throughly and do understand what you are saying Bro W! praise God for it too ! Chickapee

Chickapee · Oct 30, 2010

just read Isaiah 8 wow thats got to mean alot spiritually speaking
what do you think it means Wheeler ? very well is for this time as well,

the whole word out of the mouth of God Mat 4:4But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
Isaiah 8 - Passage Lookup - New American Standard Bible - BibleGateway.com

Isaiah 50 ;4
4The Lord GOD has given Me the tongue of (A)disciples,
That I may know how to (B)sustain the weary one with a word
He awakens Me (C)morning by morning,
He awakens My ear to listen as a disciple.

the scroll that God has said to bind up testimony and seal the Law to the disciples !!
13"It is the (Y)LORD of hosts (Z)whom you should regard as holy.
And He shall be your fear,
And He shall be your dread.
14"Then He shall become a (AA)sanctuary;
But to both the houses of Israel, a (AB)stone to strike and a rock to stumble over,
And a snare and a (AC)trap for the inhabitants of Jerusalem.
15"Many (AD)will stumble over them,
Then they will fall and be broken;
They will even be snared and caught."
16(AE)Bind up the testimony, (AF)seal the law among (AG)my disciples.

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