Radiohead, Oasis

[funyun]

Let's go back to the argument earlier about Radiohead and Oasis being the best thing going for music. Although my idea of the White Stripes being pivotal was shot down by some, Modest Mouse was not addressed. Is anyone arguing that Oasis is currently having a bigger impact on music than MM?

I'll be honest: I haven't heard much by Modest Mouse. Off the top of my head, I can only think of one song I've ehard by them, Float On, which I thought was ok, but didn't kick me in the pants. They kind of reminded me of Depech Mode.

One way to gauge impact is the buzz around a band. I've known about Modest Mouse for a while, but only heard of it in passing during conversation. Nothing I had heard about it made me feel compelled to listen to them, which is contrary to just about every other band/musician on the face of the earth I have heard of; I engage in conversations on music rather frequently, and there's always some buff eager to introduce their favorite band to someone else.

The buzz, of course, is only way of measuring impact, but I really do not see any evidence of a substantial impact on music from Modest Mouse. I'd say that there's no doubt Oasis has (and perhaps is still having) had a bigger impact than they in Britain, but making that claim about America I will not.

 

[blackwasp]

Modest Mouse created a pretty big buzz in the indie rock scene over the past five years, and have just recently broken through with their album "Good News for People Who Love Bad News." The album is a solid blend of deep lyricism, creative song structures, and catchy melodies. However, I would not venture to say that they have reached the level of pop that Oasis achieved!

 

[nadroj1985]

I'll be honest: I haven't heard much by Modest Mouse. Off the top of my head, I can only think of one song I've ehard by them, Float On, which I thought was ok, but didn't kick me in the pants. They kind of reminded me of Depech Mode.

Oh man, you don't know what you're missing.

One way to gauge impact is the buzz around a band. I've known about Modest Mouse for a while, but only heard of it in passing during conversation. Nothing I had heard about it made me feel compelled to listen to them, which is contrary to just about every other band/musician on the face of the earth I have heard of; I engage in conversations on music rather frequently, and there's always some buff eager to introduce their favorite band to someone else.

Well, I'll be the next buff, then. Modest Mouse is, IMO, one of the best groups of musicians around in rock music. Go right now and download "Lives," "Styrofoam Boots," and "Gravity Rides Everything," and let me know what you think.

 

[nadroj1985]

Let's go back to the argument earlier about Radiohead and Oasis being the best thing going for music. Although my idea of the White Stripes being pivotal was shot down by some, Modest Mouse was not addressed. Is anyone arguing that Oasis is currently having a bigger impact on music than MM?

Not me, but yeah it's impossible to narrow this kind of thing down to one or two or three bands. Not to mention, it's impossible to know what's going to have a long-lasting effect on music as a whole. I could see MM having this kind of impact, perhaps Radiohead, Yo La Tengo, Decemberists, Sigur Ros, Fiery Furnaces, etc. etc., but it's all speculation, and as much as I try to keep on top of things, I'm still limited to who's relatively well-known in the particular music scene I enjoy. And I'd assume everyone else is, too.

 

[funyun]

Well, I'll be the next buff, then. Modest Mouse is, IMO, one of the best groups of musicians around in rock music. Go right now and download "Lives," "Styrofoam Boots," and "Gravity Rides Everything," and let me know what you think.

Wasn't impressed with Lives. Styrofoam Boots was pretty good, and I liked Gravity Rides Everything.

 

[Arwen Undomiel]

I like Oasis, but I'm a bit miffed at them for killing the chance Manic Street Preachers had at breaking in to the US scene. They were the opening act during the tour the brothers Gallagher imploded on, and therefore cut short. I realize that's not the sole reason, but I'm sure it didn't help. Still like Radiohead better anyway.

 

[nadroj1985]

Wasn't impressed with Lives. Styrofoam Boots was pretty good, and I liked Gravity Rides Everything.

Well, you just have no taste if you don't like "Lives." Honestly, you might not like them much if those songs don't do anything for you; of course, those might grow on you. To each his own, though.

 

[blackwasp]

Try downloading "Broke", "Summer", "All Night Diner", "Bury Me With It" and "Black Cadillacs". Those are my favorites.

 

[blackwasp]

Not me, but yeah it's impossible to narrow this kind of thing down to one or two or three bands. Not to mention, it's impossible to know what's going to have a long-lasting effect on music as a whole. I could see MM having this kind of impact, perhaps Radiohead, Yo La Tengo, Decemberists, Sigur Ros, Fiery Furnaces, etc. etc., but it's all speculation, and as much as I try to keep on top of things, I'm still limited to who's relatively well-known in the particular music scene I enjoy. And I'd assume everyone else is, too.

Oh yeah, I'd agree with that. I don't think that Nirvana was viewed as revolutionary until Cobain died. If he was still around, I imagine that Alice in Chains and Pearl Jam would receive more credit for ridding the world of hair metal. I think that the White Stripes will be given a lot of credit for revamping garage rock, Modest Mouse (if they continue with solid albums) for bringing indie rock to the mainstream, and well...Radiohead is just Radiohead. I think that they are already appreciated for Bends and OK Computer.

 

[nadroj1985]

Oh yeah, I'd agree with that. I don't think that Nirvana was viewed as revolutionary until Cobain died. If he was still around, I imagine that Alice in Chains and Pearl Jam would receive more credit for ridding the world of hair metal. I think that the White Stripes will be given a lot of credit for revamping garage rock, Modest Mouse (if they continue with solid albums) for bringing indie rock to the mainstream, and well...Radiohead is just Radiohead. I think that they are already appreciated for Bends and OK Computer.

And the fun of it is that, despite all these projections, some band we've never heard of that is playing something incredibly ahead of its time will probably be the most revolutionary artist of our time. I'm pretty sure I would never have heard of the Velvet Underground had I lived in the 60s, but look at what they are to rock's history now.

 

[blackwasp]

And the fun of it is that, despite all these projections, some band we've never heard of that is playing something incredibly ahead of its time will probably be the most revolutionary artist of our time. I'm pretty sure I would never have heard of the Velvet Underground had I lived in the 60s, but look at what they are to rock's history now.

This is a possibility, but I somewhat doubt that this would happen due to the easy exchange of music these days.

 

[absolutely_lost_86]

gotta love wonderwall, cant say im a fan of radiohead though

 

[funyun]

Oh yeah, I'd agree with that. I don't think that Nirvana was viewed as revolutionary until Cobain died. If he was still around, I imagine that Alice in Chains and Pearl Jam would receive more credit for ridding the world of hair metal.

I agree. Nirvana was a good band, but come on people, they wrote so much more and so much better than just Smells Like Teen Spirit. I personally like Pearl Jam, Alice in Chains, and Soundgarden better than Nirvana, and I think Pearl Jam was the real hero band of the early 90s movement.

 

[blackwasp]

I agree. Nirvana was a good band, but come on people, they wrote so much more and so much better than just Smells Like Teen Spirit. I personally like Pearl Jam, Alice in Chains, and Soundgarden better than Nirvana, and I think Pearl Jam was the real hero band of the early 90s movement.

Pearl Jam was a great band, but I think they get quite a bit of respect. I root for AIC because they are often overlooked. AIC and Pearl Jam are definitely the most imitated grunge bands though. Plus, being the third or fourth best Seattle band is still saying quite a bit.

 

[Nico]

Pearl Jam was a great band, but I think they get quite a bit of respect. I root for AIC because they are often overlooked. AIC and Pearl Jam are definitely the most imitated grunge bands though. Plus, being the third or fourth best Seattle band is still saying quite a bit.

really? i would argue that nirvana would be the more imitated. for a random instance, i hear a lot of nirvana influences on radiohead's the bends. perhaps they gained noteriaty from the death of kurt cobain, but i think that even during the time, nirvana seemed to be a bit more in the leadership position, both in terms of influence and popularity. *shrugs* maybe it was just the crowd i ran with, back when grunge was at its height. i suppose most people would simply associate nirvana w/smells like teen spirit, b/c most people don't care and just take what is spoon-fed to them via MTV and some really bad radio stations. but whatever, if people don't care about music and what it can encompas then that's their deal. but irregardless of mainstream music tastes, i think many bands found nivana to be of great value, probably moreso than the other grunge bands......

i like AIC, though and think they're really under appreciated.

 

[blackwasp]

really? i would argue that nirvana would be the more imitated. for a random instance, i hear a lot of nirvana influences on radiohead's the bends. perhaps they gained noteriaty from the death of kurt cobain, but i think that even during the time, nirvana seemed to be a bit more in the leadership position, both in terms of influence and popularity. *shrugs* maybe it was just the crowd i ran with, back when grunge was at its height. i suppose most people would simply associate nirvana w/smells like teen spirit, b/c most people don't care and just take what is spoon-fed to them via MTV and some really bad radio stations. but whatever, if people don't care about music and what it can encompas then that's their deal. but irregardless of mainstream music tastes, i think many bands found nivana to be of great value, probably moreso than the other grunge bands......

i like AIC, though and think they're really under appreciated.

Yeah, I was too young to enjoy grunge at its peak, and therefore my opinions of it are from the perspective of looking back. Nirvana had great tunes, but I can't listen to a single album of there's and think that it is great in its totality. Perhaps it is just a difference of opinion?

 

[Nico]

Yeah, I was too young to enjoy grunge at its peak, and therefore my opinions of it are from the perspective of looking back. Nirvana had great tunes, but I can't listen to a single album of there's and think that it is great in its totality. Perhaps it is just a difference of opinion?

i don't know. liking nirvana would certainly be difference in opinion. i'd agree and say that there aren't too many of their albums that i can enjoy in it's totality. but i think their influence on music, as opposed to the other grunge bands, is stronger. but then again, in some sense it could be opinion or tastes rather, b/c perhaps the bands i tend to listen to now seem to be more influenced by nirvana, and i haven't listened to the multitudes of others that were influenced by the others. but i'm still gonna go w/nirvana and say they were most influential.

 

[traingosorry]

Oasis is playing music again?

I was sure one of the brothers had killed the other by now

hehehehe.

Yeah they both are great bands that have zero in common except for where they happen to hail from.

I used to despise Oasis - I think it was Noel Gallagher's attitude believe it or not that turned me off. But I gave them a chance after several years of fighting it and now I am toast - they're good, we have to give them that.

But they will NEVER EVER top Radiohead. Thom Yorke is a great artist, but he makes me sad

 

[funyun]

hehehehe.

Yeah they both are great bands that have zero in common except for where they happen to hail from.

I used to despise Oasis - I think it was Noel Gallagher's attitude believe it or not that turned me off. But I gave them a chance after several years of fighting it and now I am toast - they're good, we have to give them that.

But they will NEVER EVER top Radiohead. Thom Yorke is a great artist, but he makes me sad

I was the opposite, I used to like Oasis better, until I really got into Radiohead. There's one reason why Radiohead is better than Oasis that makes all the other reasons irrelevant: Like Spinning Plates (Live). Period.

BTW, don't you mean Liam Gllagher's attitude? He was the jerk one.

 

[traingosorry]

BTW, don't you mean Liam Gllagher's attitude? He was the jerk one.

he he.... yeah....they're all the same to me....bad haircuts and all.