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Paul of Eugene OR

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In cases where descendants are included, it is usually obvious. Such as for Abraham being father of many nations, or the curse of Adam and Eve, etc

So in your mind, Adam could never fossilize, but Eve or Cain or Abel could fossilize.

Well, that idea makes as much sense as anything else you ever posted.
 
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So in your mind, Adam could never fossilize, but Eve or Cain or Abel could fossilize.
No. The change in laws and nature as indicated and suggested by Scripture was long after Cain and Abel. Look at the lifespans. Did Abraham have the same lifespan as Adam? No.
 
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So in your mind, Adam could never fossilize, ...
To recap, then, in the different laws of the former nature, the world was different in many ways, presumably. Who knows what former state bacteria, and/or small creatures may have specialized in getting rid of certain remains? Today we see certain worms for example in the sea who specialize in disposing of whale remains.

Quite possibly, and I would say even likely, God had created life on earth complete with a great natural disposal and recycle system. Some creatures for whatever reasons could fossilize. The mistake of science seems to be to assume that those relatively few types of creatures were all the life on earth at that time!!!!

Radioactive decay is a feature of this present state. It is directly caused by OUR forces and laws. Unless this same exact state or nature existed in the unknown far past, there is NO reason to assume decay existed at all, or in the way we now know! All dates are off.

God was right all along.
 
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No idea what you are babbling about. Try to be topical, or interesting rather than parroting and silly.

The issue with isotopes and the nature of the past is whether the ratios also changed in the former state. The evidence suggests they did.

Still waiting for an answer to this question:

Would an Ar/K ratio of 0.5 and a Pb/U ratio of 0.1 qualify as "some isotopic signature"?

It is a simple yes/no.
 
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Still waiting for an answer to this question:

Would an Ar/K ratio of 0.5 and a Pb/U ratio of 0.1 qualify as "some isotopic signature"?

It is a simple yes/no.
Are you claiming this is some real isotope ratio found on earth? Ha.
 
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Are you now saying that Argon-40 and Potassium-40 are not found on Earth? Really?
No. I am asking if your example has any semblance of reality. Where is this sample found? Country? Layer?
 
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No. I am asking if your example has any semblance of reality. Where is this sample found? Country? Layer?

dad (post 980): As for tektites if some of them were caused by violently erupting fountains of the deep, then of course they are expected!! Naturally, they would have some isotopic signature at the time, . . .

Me: Would an Ar/K ratio of 0.5 and a Pb/U ratio of 0.1 qualify as "some isotopic signature"?

Answer the question.
 
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To recap, then, in the different laws of the former nature, the world was different in many ways, presumably. Who knows what former state bacteria, and/or small creatures may have specialized in getting rid of certain remains? Today we see certain worms for example in the sea who specialize in disposing of whale remains.

Quite possibly, and I would say even likely, God had created life on earth complete with a great natural disposal and recycle system. Some creatures for whatever reasons could fossilize. The mistake of science seems to be to assume that those relatively few types of creatures were all the life on earth at that time!!!!

Radioactive decay is a feature of this present state. It is directly caused by OUR forces and laws. Unless this same exact state or nature existed in the unknown far past, there is NO reason to assume decay existed at all, or in the way we now know! All dates are off.

God was right all along.

Just to repeat for the rest of the world, actually there are reasons to assume the same radioactive decay took place in eons past as takes place now. We observe radioactive decay taking place in the remnants of supernova observed millions of light years distant, hence millions of light years past; it turns out to act the same. We observe today decay remnants that would, under today's radiocative decay rules, indicated millions and billions of years of decay having taken place; analysis indicates it happened in the same way. We observe some decay events such as fission tracks from the rare but consistent exploding uranium atoms . . . when there are many tracks, indicating great age, we don't see the tracks showing weaker or stronger explosions, they are consistent.

This is therefore SOME REASON, not NO REASON, for accepting that the forces and laws were the same for millions and billions of years back.

On the other hand, you have NO REASON to assume they were different, except one . . . which is to preserve your interpretation of the Bible. With no evidence to help you.
 
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..there are reasons to assume the same radioactive decay took place in eons past as takes place now. We observe radioactive decay taking place in the remnants of supernova observed millions of light years distant, hence millions of light years past; it turns out to act the same.
Not true. The age of the little star or SN is determined by beliefs only. Where we see the decay is here. Only here. Nowhere else ever. Here we do have decay so we cannot start deducing the rest of the universe is a certain way because of the way it is here in the fishbowl.

Time has to exist where the star is and you do not know it does. Otherwise NO distances or sizes are known.
That leaves us with something like this


'we see a little star that got bright, and we know not how big it is. It may be a football stadium size or bigger than a sun. It may be 800,000,000,000,000,000 miles away or it may be less than a light year in real distance away. We see decay here...we think. Something that may be close and small is decaying at least appears to be from here.'


Pathetic.
We observe today decay remnants that would, under today's radiocative decay rules, indicated millions and billions of years of decay having taken place; analysis indicates it happened in the same way.
Because of that belief in imaginary time and distances, you claim all sorts of stuff. Of course things we see here will exist in a way that we know here.
We observe some decay events such as fission tracks from the rare but consistent exploding uranium atoms . . . when there are many tracks, indicating great age, we don't see the tracks showing weaker or stronger explosions, they are consistent.
You do not know what may have laid tracks in the former state. So you preach and preach..
This is therefore SOME REASON, not NO REASON, for accepting that the forces and laws were the same for millions and billions of years back.
NO reason whatsoever in any way except blind godless insane faith.
On the other hand, you have NO REASON to assume they were different, except one . . . which is to preserve your interpretation of the Bible. With no evidence to help you.

I do not need to know or prove any state at all since it is science that claims one not I. It is no mere interpretation of Scripture that says the future and past have differences from the world today.

In all ways you lose.
 
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dad (post 980): As for tektites if some of them were caused by violently erupting fountains of the deep, then of course they are expected!! Naturally, they would have some isotopic signature at the time, . . .

Me: Would an Ar/K ratio of 0.5 and a Pb/U ratio of 0.1 qualify as "some isotopic signature"?

Answer the question.
The tektites like other materials would have existed in the past and been changing in the ratios of isotopes. This I refer to as a signature.
 
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Not true. The age of the little star or SN is determined by beliefs only. Where we see the decay is here. Only here. Nowhere else ever. Here we do have decay so we cannot start deducing the rest of the universe is a certain way because of the way it is here in the fishbowl.

Time has to exist where the star is and you do not know it does.

Readers, we see here a man who, after having explained we observe supernova wax and wane, can seriously contend we cannot know the supernova experiences time. And he thinks he is conducting a rational discussion.
 
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Readers, we see here a man who, after having explained we observe supernova wax and wane, can seriously contend we cannot know the supernova experiences time. And he thinks he is conducting a rational discussion.
It waxes here. Wanes here. WE see it all here. Seriously. Whether time exists there as we know it is not known.
 
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It waxes here. Wanes here. WE see it all here. Seriously. Whether time exists there as we know it is not known.

He confesses his belief. Observing a supernova wax and wane, we still can't tell if it experiences time, he says. We all know what this means about his reasoning abilities.
 
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