RACISM? No, it is not.

[Arthra]

Galilean wrote:

Actually, in Australia, there is no reason why the country cannot revolve around our religion, I don't even think there is a constitutional principle about the seperation of the church and state, a christian public school for instance, would be fully eligible, and we have every right to keep christianity the central and main religion, which can include restricting the predominance of other religions.

My question:

How would you go about "restricting the predominance of other religions"?

- Art

 

[Galilean]

How would you go about "restricting the predominance of other religions"?

People already have to fight to even display christmas lights and trees, nativity scenes, etc. Here's one way to 'restrict the predominance of other religions': how about stopping churches being knocked down to be replaced by mosques.

No, you can leave. If you can't stand where this country is going with its multiculturalism, why don't you go not another "so much better country".

You're not going to like where this country is going with multiculturalism either .
Shouldn't you have left already seeing as you said yourself australia is a racist country of invaders and aboriginals own the land? or you could give up all of your property for aboriginals to live on, heck, you could at least have some aboriginals camping in your back yard

 

[Kris_J]

You're not going to like where this country is going with multiculturalism either .
Shouldn't you have left already seeing as you said yourself australia is a racist country of invaders and aboriginals own the land? or you could give up all of your property for aboriginals to live on, heck, you could at least have some aboriginals camping in your back yard

Wrong poster pal.

I like multiculturalism so much I'm making sure a non-western language is equal first language as English for our children. = )

Hey if I was an aborigine & they're my relatives I might not mind. What's wrong with aborigines owning land?

In fact, we're looking to buy a house where we can live at the front house & build another house at backyard for extended family.

 

[Arthra]

Galilean wrote:

People already have to fight to even display christmas lights and trees, nativity scenes, etc.

My reply:

You mean like the folowing:

http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Screen/9808/

This Australian display looks a lot like the ones here in my town. So whose fighting to have these displays I'd like to ask? What's going on "down under" where you live ?????

Galilean:

Here's one way to 'restrict the predominance of other religions': how about stopping churches being knocked down to be replaced by mosques.

My reply:

So are mosques replacing churches where you live? Once a church always a church sounds a little strange to me... again...What's going on down there in Australia?

I read an earlier remark by cameronw:

"It is time we stand up and instead of our rights being trampled on we are fighting back to keep our Christmas Trees."

My comment:

This all strikes me as being bizaar...

- Art

 

[Galilean]

This Australian display looks a lot like the ones here in my town. So whose fighting to have these displays I'd like to ask? What's going on "down under" where you live ?????

Last year in sydney the mayor refused to have the usual christmas decorations as it was 'politically incorrect'. But tell me this, why on earth would anyone be offended just because someone else practises their religion? Especially if they are living in a country where their religion is a minority, they are going to have to put up with it, if they happen to be that intolerant.

I like multiculturalism so much I'm making sure a non-western language is equal first language as English for our children.

Why? What's wrong with western languages? Why is it that western countries need' diversity'? do we need cultures that are diverse from our own because our culture is inferior?
When you go to Japan, even as a tourist, you have to fit in with their culture. And speaking of second languages, alot of people in Japan speak english, is that a good or a bad thing to you?

 

[Kris_J]

Why? What's wrong with western languages? Why is it that western countries need' diversity'? do we need cultures that are diverse from our own because our culture is inferior?

Maybe you need to practice your reading & comprehension skills of english as nothing in my post mentioned western languages as being "wrong".

When you go to Japan, even as a tourist, you have to fit in with their culture.

All you have to do is abide by their law. Now, where in the Japanese laws does it say you must fit in with their culture?

And speaking of second languages, alot of people in Japan speak english, is that a good or a bad thing to you?

So long as they know how to speak Japanese, they can learn Jamaican for all I care. Actually french has a nicer sound than english .

 

[Kris_J]

Now tell us, is it a good thing or a bad thing that most urban Australian Aborigines only know how to speak english?

 

[Galilean]

Maybe you need to practice your reading &
comprehension skills of english as nothing in my post mentioned
western languages as being "wrong".

You said you are going to make your children speak both english
and one other non-western language equally. What is wrong
with speaking just english, and if you want them to speak another
language, why specifically does it have to be non-western?

All you have to do is abide by their law.
Now, where in the Japanese laws does it say
you must fit in with their culture?

When you go to Japan, you are expected to bow when appropriate,
take your shoes off when entering someones house, etc. You wouldn't
get on without doing so.

So long as they know how to speak Japanese,
they can learn Jamaican for all I care.
Actually french has a nicer sound than english.

When australian people no longer know how to speak english
an speak some other language instead, would that be ok by you?

Now tell us, is it a good thing or a bad thing
that most urban Australian Aborigines
only know how to speak english?

I suppose I'm indifferent. I don't know how to speak any celtic
language, and I don't know how to speak old high german.
I'm not that fussed, I suppose it doesn't matter, as long as
I know about my heritage, I don't have to be able to speak the long
dead languages.

 

[Kris_J]

You said you are going to make your children speak both english
and one other non-western language equally. What is wrong
with speaking just english, and if you want them to speak another
language, why specifically does it have to be non-western?

Did it occur to you that I may be of a non-western background?

When you go to Japan, you are expected to bow when appropriate,
take your shoes off when entering someones house, etc. You wouldn't
get on without doing so.

Is it illegal to not bow? Their might expect you to bow to their king only as much as you're expected to kiss the pope's ring or bow to Queen Elizabeth.

When australian people no longer know how to speak english
an speak some other language instead, would that be ok by you?

See answer to Japan.

I suppose I'm indifferent. I don't know how to speak any celtic
language, and I don't know how to speak old high german.
I'm not that fussed, I suppose it doesn't matter, as long as
I know about my heritage, I don't have to be able to speak the long
dead languages.

Does that mean that if Australia becomes a republic you will cease to speak English - ie. the language spoken in "mother England"?

Personally, IMO its your loss you don't cherish your heritage of irish-german ancestry. Have a sauerkraut.

 

[Kris_J]

I suppose I'm indifferent. I don't know how to speak any celtic
language, and I don't know how to speak old high german.
I'm not that fussed, I suppose it doesn't matter, as long as
I know about my heritage, I don't have to be able to speak the long
dead languages.

The languages that the rural Aborigines are still alive, yet the urban aborigines have forgotten to speak them. Is this a good or bad thing since the language is still alive?

ie. if the language of your ancestor is still alive, would you prefer that you do not speak it?

 

[morningstar2651]

I have a couple of questions.

First, why should I care who speaks how many languages, or what languages they speak?

Second, what does this have to do with the topic of this thread?

 

[Kris_J]

...

It's not racism, it's claiming one's rightful culture.

Why should traditionally Judeo-Christian and European culture countries submit every time? Why should it be their culture that is endlessly diminished? People are beginning to stand up against the onslaught against them.

People of all races & culture should be able to rightfully claim their own culture. If that means Judeo-Christians have to share the public pie, then so be it.

Being able to speak the language of the culture you come from is the most basic act of practicing the culture.

 

[Kris_J]

I'm curious, what culture does the African-American claim? Muhammed Ali & Malcolm X became Muslims right?

 

[corvus_corax]

No, we as Christians are constantly bashed for placing the Nativity in public places or for displaying anything other than the Pagan Yuletide displays. Most companies are having "Seasons Parties" rather than the traditional Christmas Parties. The original poster has a valid point. Our Christian rights are being eroded at an exponential rate by small minority religions within our country.

Cry me a river.
Please tell me you arent one of those "Christians are SO persecuted" people.
Lets say, for a moment, that you live in the USA (You refuse to display a country icon, so Im just speculating)
In the USA, yes, there is this pathetically sad "politically correct" movement that has made words such as "christmas" "owl" "black" "white" and "brave" (as in courageous) into bad words to be avoided.
If this is what you are talking about, I can sympathize. It's a small gripe, but a gripe nonetheless.
But (and this is important, so read carefully) ITS A SMALL INSIGNIFICANT UNIMPORTANT MIND-NUMBINGLY STUPID GRIPE.
If I need to repeat the above, I will. As I said, the point is important.


In certain areas of the world, people are DYING (yes, literally being killed) for their faiths. Some people are witnessing their husbands, wives, children and entire families wiped out simply due to the faith they hold.
Atrocities abound on all sides of all the fences

And then, in western-christian countries, we gripe and moan about the "war on christmas" and the "erosion of the Nativity"

Quite frankly, ladies and gentlemen, this latter attitude is pathetic.

Sad and pathetic.

I doubt that any of us (or at least 99% of us) on CF have EVER had the remote possibility of even seriously THINKING we might die for our faiths.

People across the world face that every day

And yet we, pathetically, think THIS issue ("the erosion of religious rights", wrongly named btw) is actually IMPORTANT?!?

Have we completely lost our perspective?

don't make me quote Ben Franklin and George Washington

Shaking in my boots regarding franklin and washington
Dont make me quote Jefferson. Yeah, the deist who re-wrote the NT in his own interpretation
Founding-father arguments mean very little in modern context (and even Jefferson backs that up)

 

[Galilean]

Does that mean that if Australia becomes a republic you will cease to speak English - ie. the language spoken in "mother England"?

Why would I stop speaking english if Australia became a republic?
So there are aboriginals living in rural areas who can't speak the language, its
probably been that way for a long time. I'm not so sure if they would be able
to learn them, those languages are probably dead, like many of the ancient languages
my ancestors spoke, that doesn't stop me learning about my ancient heritage. If
they can learn to fluently speak the old languages, then they should. If they can only
learn parts of the languages from elders, kind of like old latin, then they should as well.
Maybe they should learn rural aboriginal languages, but thats the thing - its not like the
language of a tribe from sydney, and one from western australia, have similar or related
languages. The 'aboriginals' were many different tribes, speaking different languages,
practising different religions and cultures, spread out over the vast continent of
pre-australia, numbering in the tens of thousands.

Personally, IMO its your loss you don't cherish your heritage of irish-german ancestry. Have a sauerkraut.

I cherish it big time. What makes you think I wouldn't?
Oh and by the way, while funnily enough I do have irish and german
in my background, the reason why I mentioned the celtic languages and old high german
is because celtic languages were spoken all over britain,
not only by the irish but by the scots, picts, manx, corns,
and also outisde of britain in places like gaul (france),
iberia (spain), germany, denmark, and italy, even turkey. And Old high german
is the language originally spoken anglo-saxons originally spoke. Anglo-saxon
is the umbrella term for the angles, jutes, and saxons, originally
from germany who invaded england during the dark ages (england=angland, land of the
angles, english = anglish). English is a germanic language.

Is it illegal to not bow? Their might expect you to bow
to their king only as much as you're expected to kiss the pope's
ring or bow to Queen Elizabeth.

Did I say it was illegal? Unless you fit in with japanese culture
and practice japanese customs while you're living in Japan, you are going to
have a hard time getting along. Japan is not a multicultural country. Their immigration
policies also try and keep their country homogenous, this right is given to them
by the UN, and Australia has this right as well.

 

[Arthra]

I don't know but it sounds to me like there are some xenophobes in Australia... You know the world of the internet is here and everyone is now in the global village.

Australia... America... Europe... Asia ...we're all in this world together.

You can try to stop the process and wage a "cultural war" but i doubt it will delay much the process of how we are beginning to see the world as one motherland.

Petty nationalism is also on the wane.

I checked out some things about Australia...did a search on "the Pacific solution" and detention centers for immigrants. Are these still going on or have you moved through that stage yet. All in all it sounds like you've got some problems "down under"!

- Art

 

[Kintonets]

Cry me a river.
Please tell me you arent one of those "Christians are SO persecuted" people.
Lets say, for a moment, that you live in the USA (You refuse to display a country icon, so Im just speculating)
In the USA, yes, there is this pathetically sad "politically correct" movement that has made words such as "christmas" "owl" "black" "white" and "brave" (as in courageous) into bad words to be avoided.
If this is what you are talking about, I can sympathize. It's a small gripe, but a gripe nonetheless.
But (and this is important, so read carefully) ITS A SMALL INSIGNIFICANT UNIMPORTANT MIND-NUMBINGLY STUPID GRIPE.
If I need to repeat the above, I will. As I said, the point is important.


In certain areas of the world, people are DYING (yes, literally being killed) for their faiths. Some people are witnessing their husbands, wives, children and entire families wiped out simply due to the faith they hold.
Atrocities abound on all sides of all the fences

And then, in western-christian countries, we gripe and moan about the "war on christmas" and the "erosion of the Nativity"

Quite frankly, ladies and gentlemen, this latter attitude is pathetic.

Sad and pathetic.

I doubt that any of us (or at least 99% of us) on CF have EVER had the remote possibility of even seriously THINKING we might die for our faiths.

People across the world face that every day

And yet we, pathetically, think THIS issue ("the erosion of religious rights", wrongly named btw) is actually IMPORTANT?!?

Have we completely lost our perspective?


Shaking in my boots regarding franklin and washington
Dont make me quote Jefferson. Yeah, the deist who re-wrote the NT in his own interpretation
Founding-father arguments mean very little in modern context (and even Jefferson backs that up)

Maybe you do not realize or simply don't care that the erosion of our religion could very well be the first step to the annihilation of our people (Christians) as what happened what happened in Russia between 1920-1940 when over 100 million Christian innocents were killed by the Red Commisars under orders from Trotsky. Furthermore, the founding fathers have everything to do with what is happening today...They guaranteed freedom OF religion not freedom FROM religion. With every prayer removed from schools, flag not pledged, and holiday censored...we lose a right. Where do these rights violations end? When we have no more right to protest them.

I think that sums that up Mate
blessings
K

 

[sidhe]

Maybe you do not realize or simply don't care that the erosion of our religion could very well be the first step to the annihilation of our people (Christians) as what happened what happened in Russia between 1920-1940 when over 100 million Christian innocents were killed by the Red Commisars under orders from Trotsky. Furthermore, the founding fathers have everything to do with what is happening today...They guaranteed freedom OF religion not freedom FROM religion. With every prayer removed from schools, flag not pledged, and holiday censored...we lose a right. Where do these rights violations end? When we have no more right to protest them.

I think that sums that up Mate
blessings
K

You can have prayer in school, just not mandatory prayer led by a school official during classtime.

And, actually, you could do that...if you had either a completely ecumenical, interfaith prayer, or allowed prayer for every religion represented at the school.

Christians haven't lost rights. No religion can do those things in the USA.

 

[arunma]

People of all races & culture should be able to rightfully claim their own culture. If that means Judeo-Christians have to share the public pie, then so be it.

Being able to speak the language of the culture you come from is the most basic act of practicing the culture.

And precisely what does Christianity have to do with culture or race?

 

[Kris_J]

And precisely what does Christianity have to do with culture or race?

St Valentines Day, St Patrick's Day, Christmas Tree... Is this culture or religion? - Church on Sunday rather than on Sabbath Day (Saturday) - culture or religion? Church on Christmas e

Culture & religion, beliefs, traditions & rituals all come hand in hand.