RACISM? No, it is not.

[msgstephen]

Oh yeah, the old battle cry. They were nasty to the natives.

I suppose you are not one of those "natives", you are just championing their cause?

When one has nothing else to say drag that one up. Get with the 21st century please.

 

[sethad]

RACISM? No, it is not. That the Islamic juggernaught has hit a wall in Australia is NOT racism. Most, not all yet, but most "Westerners" do not care about the colour of a person's skin.

Here in Canada, people of every race aspire and attain every career available. Race is not an issue, really.

But, forces that hate traditionally European-based culture and religion will scream "Racism!" should anything get in their way of dismantling everything they perceive as European based.

They want to dismantle democracy, Christianity, self-esteem among whites, Judeo-Christian based ethics and so on.

Get in their way and suddenly they scream "RACIST!".

Now here's an interesting story. The Governor General of Canada, a black woman if that means anything anymore, had a tree put up this year outside her residence in celibration of the Season. Her office, dutifully obedient to the forces that want to destroy all things European based, quickly announced the presence of the tree calling it a HOLIDAY TREE.

The Governor General was shocked. And came out with a statment saying that the tree was definitely NOT a Holiday Tree .. Her Excellency Michaelle Jean made sure everyone in the country knew very well it was a CHRISTMAS TREE.

Since then, several municipalities in Canada have officially returned to calling a kettle a kettle and a Christmas Tree a Christmas Tree.

It's not racism, it's claiming one's rightful culture.

Why should traditionally Judeo-Christian and European culture countries submit every time? Why should it be their culture that is endlessly diminished? People are beginning to stand up against the onslaught against them.

there are three holidays that occur during the christmas season:

christmas
Hanukkah
Kwanzaa

now maybe you're one of those types that thinks that America and Canada should only follow white and christian traditions and not allow anything else, but most people are not.

stores say "happy holidays" in order to include all of the holidays and all of the traditions and cultures.

no doubt that is the same reasons that they called it a "holiday tree". holiday, christmas tree, its still a tree with lights and decorations on it that with presents underneath and is used to celebrate christmas. SO WHAT?

no one is diminishing anything they're trying to include other cultures and traditions because....yes they do exist. whether you realize it or not.

America and Canada both are multi ethnic multi religious multi racial countries, if you have a problem with that there is always the next plane out.

 

[sethad]

Well, "they" are a mixed group. Some times they are people who have an anti-white, anit-European anti-Judeo-Christian bent who "champion" the cause of the immigrant etc.. Oft times it's other groups with some beef. SOmetimes it;s atheists who want to impose their own secula-humanist world view and leave room for no other. Collectively they conspire to erase Judeo-Christian culture, erase the self-esteem of whites [people of all races and of mixed race whould feel good about their own makeup], and erase European roots from countries built on them.

I'm not anti white or anti christian or anti anything. I'm not trying to "erase their self esteem". what I am is FOR what America stands for which is freedom of religion. it is NOT a christian country and it is NOT a white country.

see my previous post for more details, rather then me re saying everything again.

 

[msgstephen]

Actually, it is the diminishing the Judeo-Christian and European based cultures.

If a group of people have been for centuries building a nation, have established holidays and so on, why, for the sake of Judeo-Christian hating, English-hating, white-hating, European culture hating should they start erasing whole seasons from their Calendar? Why should they have to call their Christmas tree a holiday tree? Why can't they mention their God in public? Why can't they get jobs with their own federal governement? Why do they have to be flooded with people who hate the culture of those already here?

 

[sethad]

Actually, it is the diminishing the Judeo-Christian and European based cultures.

If a group of people have been for centuries building a nation, have established holidays and so on, why, for the sake of Judeo-Christian hating, English-hating, white-hating, European culture hating should they start erasing whole seasons from their Calendar? Why should they have to call their Christmas tree a holiday tree? Why can't they mention their God in public? Why can't they get jobs with their own federal governement? Why do they have to be flooded with people who hate the culture of those already here?

let me say this again

NO

ONE

IS

HATING

OR

ERASING

ANYTHING

get it that time? you can still celebrate christmas you can still go to church you can still say "merry christmas".

not just white people celebrate christmas either.

there is no racism involved with people saying "happy holidays"

no one is hating white people european anything or christmas. they are just trying to include other cultures. this country has freedom of religion. ever hear of it? it also has freedom of speech. you can say "merry christmas" if you want. no one has taken that right away from you. if they do, they're wrong. but i dont see it happening.

stores and businesses saying "happy holidays" only say that because there are THREE holidays celebrated in december. thats not "discrimination" and no one is trying to eliminate anything.

You can mention God in public. Can you give christian advice as a part of your job? only if it is a private christian organization. you can get jobs wherever you want. no one has taken that away.

this country was founded on the idea of freedom of religion. are you suggesting that gets taken away?

you're seeing persecution and hate where there isnt any. that causes alot of false problems, and it seems to me like you're already deep into it.

I'm half white, half Latino. Do I hate you? you sound as if you think everyone who isnt white is a anti christian anti christmas anti european etc. so am I anti anything?

I can assure you that I'm not. As I said in my last most I'm FOR freedom of religion because thats this countries standards.

you hate the people who are trying to having things taken off the money? well guess what? you are being just as anal as they are.

 

[msgstephen]

America is very much a Christian counrty. At least 85% of the population there are at least nominally Christian.

I'm not American, I can only talk as I percieve America through news, CNN, and other media .. and chats and discussion on the Internet. There are plenty of places you can go to debate America.

 

[sethad]

America is very much a Christian counrty. At least 85% of the population there are at least nominally Christian.

I'm not American, I can only talk as I percieve America through news, CNN, and other media .. and chats and discussion on the Internet. There are plenty of places you can go to debate America.

No America is NOT a christian country.

and dont trust the media. do you know how many times they twist stories to put across a message they want you to believe? or how many times they've made up stories? they do it alot.

 

[msgstephen]

Actually, yes, there is an attempt to erase our culture here in Canada. Go into Zellers and wish someone "Merry Christmas". The fear that crosses their face.

So I will have to completely disagree with you.

 

[sethad]

Actually, yes, there is an attempt to erase our culture here in Canada. Go into Zellers and wish someone "Merry Christmas". The fear that crosses their face.

So I will have to completely disagree with you.

fear?

so what you THINK you see on their face makes you THINK that the "white culture" in Canada is attempting to be erased.

sorry that doesnt cut it as proof.

 

[msgstephen]

85% Christian makes it a Christian country based on Judeo-Christian principles. You're against Christianity and hate Christianity and Christians and want to see Christianity and any culture that supports it denigrated and erased.

 

[TrueQ]

White culture? What nonsense, the English have a culture, the Swiss have a culture, even the Southerners have a culture, but the 'whites' certainly don't have a culture. Why worry about the destruction of some fantasy culture when you still have a number of good, solid real ones that you can use?

 

[sethad]

85% Christian makes it a Christian country based on Judeo-Christian principles. You're against Christianity and hate Christianity and Christians and want to see Christianity and any culture that supports it denigrated and erased.

majority/minority is not what makes a country christian or not.

America is NOT a theocracy. it is NOT a christian country. while most people may be christians or claim they are christian that doesnt make it even remotely a christian country.

I guess you dont know so much about America after all. try reading the constitution and the amendments. you'll see: "freedom of religion" among other things that clearly make America a democracy/republic. not a theocracy.

 

[msgstephen]

Oh it's not "think". It's a fact. They get dumbstruck, act like a deer in headlights, fear and doubt. Call me a liar, why don't you?

 

[msgstephen]

America is not a theocracy, but it is a Judeo-Christian *culture*. You don't seem to understand that. A people have a right to a culture and shouldn't have to bend over backwards just because a few new members hate it.

 

[TrueQ]

America is not a theocracy, but it is a Judeo-Christian *culture*. You don't seem to understand that. A people have a right to a culture and shouldn't have to bend over backwards just because a few new members hate it.

That argument works two ways. The newcomers to a country have a right to their own culture and shouldn't be made to bend over backwards to accept a new one. What would you call it if some poor Muslim immigrant got a job at Walgreen's and was made to say "Merry Christmas" to everyone who walked in and bought something? Then they might come to actually hate the culture, even if they were perfectly neutral before.

 

[Blackguard_]

mpegstation is part right, the Mohammedens flooding into Europe and their high birthrates are a threat to European culture in the sense their culture will eventually replace European culture, but they are not necesssarily seeking to destroy everything European so much as are trying to preserve their own culture in another country.

And the knee-jerk cries of "Racism!" seem to come from PC whites as oftnen it not more than from minorities.

 

[msgstephen]

the "white culture" in Canada

His secret anti-white racism shows it's ugly head. *sigh*

 

[sethad]

Oh it's not "think". It's a fact. They get dumbstruck, act like a deer in headlights, fear and doubt. Call me a liar, why don't you?

its your perspective. its what you think. you have no proof that they actually think that way

America is not a theocracy, but it is a Judeo-Christian *culture*. You don't seem to understand that. A people have a right to a culture and shouldn't have to bend over backwards just because a few new members hate it.

America adheres to no certain culture or religion. its a multi ethnic multi religious multi racial multi cultural country.

how many times do I have to say that?

 

[sethad]

His secret anti-white racism shows it's ugly head. *sigh*

see that's your problem. you view and percieve racism where there isnt any. you know thats one of the reasons why racism continues?

and if you ask me...you sound as if you hold some white nationalist ideas. so does that make you any better then those non-whites who you *think* hate whites that you keep bashing?

 

[Blackguard_]

America adheres to no certain culture or religion. its a multi ethnic multi religious multi racial multi cultural country.

Yes, America is NOT a Nation State and never was. Soem of the colonies even dislike eachother, like Puritan New England and Catholic Rhode Island.