Race and gun control laws

[Aryeh Jay]

You don't have to be paranoid to carry a gun to Atlantic City NJ. It would be wise.
But that isn't part of this story. She'd only had the gun a week and forgot about it, it had three locks on it. She had to tell the cops how to get it unlocked.

but thanks for caring...

I was stationed in New Jersey for 3 ¼ years with the Coast Guard at Cape May,NJ. From June-October 2010 I lived in Cape May Court House. From November 2010 to November 2013 I lived in Ventnor City, right outside Atlantic City, NJ. I drove an expensive luxury car and was never mugged, robbed, kidnaped, killed, had my apartment broken into, had my car broken into. I had never witnesses a robbery of a bank, post office, or casino. I never saw a cigarette truck get hijacked, a mob hit, or a body get dumped in the marshes. I also spent a lot of time near the convention center and train station picking up and dropping off people from the Coast Guard base.

I was also never armed with a firearm. The reason why I never carried a firearm? Because with New Jerseys gun laws, I did not want to get in trouble and become a criminal. Having a gun was not wise.

Oh, and this guy found out the hard way.


Coast Guard officer arrested on weapons charges in Cape May | NJ.com

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Unfortunately, PA gun laws are among the least restrictive on the East Coast. To open carry does not require a permit (except in Philly) and the permit to conceal is like $20 or $25 dollars with no requirement for a class.

The value of a class in this case, would have been that it would have covered interstate travel . As it stands, going from Pittsburgh to West Virginia her permit would have been honored and there would be no crime. Though most of the country honors PA permits, WV is the only state that shares a border with PA, which honors PA permits (at this time).

Gotta run. . . ..

Class or no class, you'd think that'd be something a person might google before hitting the road.

This is the one I always use
Concealed Carry Permit Reciprocity Maps - USA Carry

That being said, I am somewhat sympathetic to the plight of my fellow gun owners as there are several states that don't even offer a legal option for non-residents, so you don't have a legal option even if you wanted one.

I have Ohio's resident permit as well as PA's non-resident permit and that gets me fairly decent coverage, however, there are still a number of states that I can't carry in regardless of how much training I go through...

The real clincher is the "may issue" states...meaning you could drop the coin, take all of the training, pay the law enforcement office all for them to say "sorry, not good enough, I don't feel like issuing a permit today"...essentially taking your money and giving you a kick in the pants.

I have a relative who learned that the hard way...he has a fishing cabin in New York (so he meets the criteria of owning property in NY; a requirement for non-residents applying for the permit), he made the 4 hour drive on 2 occasions one to drop off paperwork and checks and another to register his would-be carry firearm in New York (so now they have a registration for one of his pistols), all to get a form letter back stating that the request for a license was denied because he only spends 3 weeks a year at the cabin and that wasn't enough time per year to warrant issuing him a permit...however, they operate based off of "application fees" and not "licensing fees"...big different between the two. Licensing fees means that you pay for a license if you get approved, in the case of New York, you pay for the application which means they keep the cash whether they approve or decline you.

So, in essence, all he got was a "Thanks for the money, we've got records on one of your handguns now...sorry, you can't carry in our state"

...a little something to think about when people casually throw out the old "Why didn't the person just get the license and carry it legally???" line.

I don't know if NJ is the same way, but some states pretend to honor your 2nd amendment rights just so they can throw it in people's faces in court, but secretly are making it impossible to carry legally.

The supreme court needs to step it up a bit. Many of the democrats are harping on the supreme court for marriage licenses to be honored in every state citing Full Faith & Credit, think they'd be on-board with us having the same for our CCW licenses?

Maybe we can use that as a bargaining chip...Universal Marriage License Reciprocity in exchange for Universal CCW License Reciprocity.

A bargain was tried before...conservatives offered universal background checks in exchange for permit reciprocity across the board and states like NY and Cali shot it down.

 

[Panzerkamfwagen]

Race and gun control laws

Weren't a lot of original gun control laws in the United States to keep arms from the hands of the "wrong" people?

 

[Andrea411]

Class or no class, you'd think that'd be something a person might google before hitting the road.

This is the one I always use
Concealed Carry Permit Reciprocity Maps - USA Carry

That being said, I am somewhat sympathetic to the plight of my fellow gun owners as there are several states that don't even offer a legal option for non-residents, so you don't have a legal option even if you wanted one.

I have Ohio's resident permit as well as PA's non-resident permit and that gets me fairly decent coverage, however, there are still a number of states that I can't carry in regardless of how much training I go through...

The real clincher is the "may issue" states...meaning you could drop the coin, take all of the training, pay the law enforcement office all for them to say "sorry, not good enough, I don't feel like issuing a permit today"...essentially taking your money and giving you a kick in the pants.

I have a relative who learned that the hard way...he has a fishing cabin in New York (so he meets the criteria of owning property in NY; a requirement for non-residents applying for the permit), he made the 4 hour drive on 2 occasions one to drop off paperwork and checks and another to register his would-be carry firearm in New York (so now they have a registration for one of his pistols), all to get a form letter back stating that the request for a license was denied because he only spends 3 weeks a year at the cabin and that wasn't enough time per year to warrant issuing him a permit...however, they operate based off of "application fees" and not "licensing fees"...big different between the two. Licensing fees means that you pay for a license if you get approved, in the case of New York, you pay for the application which means they keep the cash whether they approve or decline you.

So, in essence, all he got was a "Thanks for the money, we've got records on one of your handguns now...sorry, you can't carry in our state"

...a little something to think about when people casually throw out the old "Why didn't the person just get the license and carry it legally???" line.

I don't know if NJ is the same way, but some states pretend to honor your 2nd amendment rights just so they can throw it in people's faces in court, but secretly are making it impossible to carry legally.

The supreme court needs to step it up a bit. Many of the democrats are harping on the supreme court for marriage licenses to be honored in every state citing Full Faith & Credit, think they'd be on-board with us having the same for our CCW licenses?

Maybe we can use that as a bargaining chip...Universal Marriage License Reciprocity in exchange for Universal CCW License Reciprocity.

A bargain was tried before...conservatives offered universal background checks in exchange for permit reciprocity across the board and states like NY and Cali shot it down.

The only way you get a permit in NJ is if you prove that you must have one, sometimes that means (literally) that someone has tried to kill you more than once.

 

[Andrea411]

I was stationed in New Jersey for 3 ¼ years with the Coast Guard at Cape May,NJ. From June-October 2010 I lived in Cape May Court House. From November 2010 to November 2013 I lived in Ventnor City, right outside Atlantic City, NJ. I drove an expensive luxury car and was never mugged, robbed, kidnaped, killed, had my apartment broken into, had my car broken into. I had never witnesses a robbery of a bank, post office, or casino. I never saw a cigarette truck get hijacked, a mob hit, or a body get dumped in the marshes. I also spent a lot of time near the convention center and train station picking up and dropping off people from the Coast Guard base.

I was also never armed with a firearm. The reason why I never carried a firearm? Because with New Jerseys gun laws, I did not want to get in trouble and become a criminal. Having a gun was not wise.

Oh, and this guy found out the hard way.


Coast Guard officer arrested on weapons charges in Cape May | NJ.com

You dear were in a dream. I worked in AC for years and my husband worked there for decades....

Atlantic City quick facts

Population: 1970 — 47,859; 2011 (est.) — 39,558

Percent below the poverty line: 1970 — 22.5%; 2011 — 29.3%

Unemployment rate: 1977 — 18.1%; 2012 — 17.8%

Median household income: 1970 — $4,257 (New Jersey, $10,371); 2011 (est.) — $28,526 (New Jersey, $71,180)

Violent crime rate per 1,000 residents: Atlantic City 2011 — 19.2; New Jersey — 3.1

But the arrival of casinos has not fixed the deep-seated social problems plaguing a city where nearly 30% of residents live below the poverty line. Unemployment remains high, at nearly 18% last year. Gangs roam in low-income neighborhoods, and the crime rate in 2011 was 107.2 incident per 1,000 residents, compared with 39.3 for Atlantic County.

Millions spent on casinos didn't help Atlantic City

also one of the most corrupt cities in the USA

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Weren't a lot of original gun control laws in the United States to keep arms from the hands of the "wrong" people?

Yes, some of the first gun control measures were proposed by segregationists and racist police officers in response to the fact that their shady tactics were being thwarted by The Black Panthers' armed citizen patrols.

If you were a cop attempting to plant drugs on a black family during a traffic stop, or if you were a KKK member looking to do a cross burning, the last thing you wanted to see is this:

 

[Aryeh Jay]

You dear were in a dream. I worked in AC for years and my husband worked there for decades....

Atlantic City quick facts

Population: 1970 — 47,859; 2011 (est.) — 39,558

Percent below the poverty line: 1970 — 22.5%; 2011 — 29.3%

Unemployment rate: 1977 — 18.1%; 2012 — 17.8%

Median household income: 1970 — $4,257 (New Jersey, $10,371); 2011 (est.) — $28,526 (New Jersey, $71,180)

Violent crime rate per 1,000 residents: Atlantic City 2011 — 19.2; New Jersey — 3.1

But the arrival of casinos has not fixed the deep-seated social problems plaguing a city where nearly 30% of residents live below the poverty line. Unemployment remains high, at nearly 18% last year. Gangs roam in low-income neighborhoods, and the crime rate in 2011 was 107.2 incident per 1,000 residents, compared with 39.3 for Atlantic County.

Millions spent on casinos didn't help Atlantic City

also one of the most corrupt cities in the USA

No, dear, I was in a nightmare. I hated every single moment in NJ and when my next assignment was also going to be in Cape May, I retired instead of living in one of the most oppressive, freedom squashing, miss managed, granny, welfare states run by a Republican I have ever encountered.

Perhaps the reason I never witnessed all the horrible crime in AC that warrants, no, demands that everybody be armed to the teeth, is that I just didn’t surround myself with shady criminal elements all the time.

Manipulating numbers and picking and choosing what data to present really helps your case. BTY, anyone can do it.


Atlantic City unemployment June 1014- 10.5% MY GOD! Look at that recovery!!In just two years too!!!


AC Unemployment 2000-2008 rock steady at 6%, Hmmmmmm!

2011 violent crime per 1000 Newark 60.4, Trenton 59.4, Cape May 22.4

Numbers are dangerous things.

 

[PreachersWife2004]

Perhaps the reason I never witnessed all the horrible crime in AC that warrants, no, demands that everybody be armed to the teeth, is that I just didn’t surround myself with shady criminal elements all the time.

Neither do I, but I did live in a place where we needed to be protected.

 

[Andrea411]

No, dear, I was in a nightmare. I hated every single moment in NJ and when my next assignment was also going to be in Cape May, I retired instead of living in one of the most oppressive, freedom squashing, miss managed, granny, welfare states run by a Republican I have ever encountered.

Perhaps the reason I never witnessed all the horrible crime in AC that warrants, no, demands that everybody be armed to the teeth, is that I just didn’t surround myself with shady criminal elements all the time.

Manipulating numbers and picking and choosing what data to present really helps your case. BTY, anyone can do it.


Atlantic City unemployment June 1014- 10.5% MY GOD! Look at that recovery!!In just two years too!!!


AC Unemployment 2000-2008 rock steady at 6%, Hmmmmmm!

2011 violent crime per 1000 Newark 60.4, Trenton 59.4, Cape May 22.4

Numbers are dangerous things.

There is no manipulation. We worked in AC - we didn't hang around AC ... your personal innuendoes are just annoying... grow up. Cape May is a beautiful town and yes NJ is oppressive. We don't move bc I have a large extended family here.We have guns in our home only bc they were grandfathered in... we have used them on wild dogs killing our animals. The police 'confiscated' our gun nicely. We complied and a week or two later they gave them back. ??? I didn't even bother asking a lawyer - simply bc this is NJ.

I like Christie but he is a RHINO, its how you get elected in NJ. His record of putting politicians in jail endeared him to the people. Even the unions know something has to be done with the pension system or we're going broke while they just move out of the state.
Every cop, fireman, teacher or politician, gets another state job bc they know someone and retires with 100 G a year the state can't sustain it. We pay 25G a year per child for the schools and brag we are number one in education but what good is it when the people are still poor and oppressed. Anyone with any sense moves out of NJ.