Quit talking the talk...

[FaithLikeARock]

I post this here because it's more prevelant here.

Stop wasting your own and everyone elses time SAYING "Homosexuals I do love you! You're human! I just disagree with what you say!"

You can say how much you love all people as much as you want. You can turn black and blue from saying it so much. But I won't care. Because words mean, well, nothing, when you aren't doing anything to prove it.

Meaning when you say "love" and then go on and on about how wicked a certain group is or how wicked a sin is with the intent of frightening that group, you're not showing that love. When you say "love" and then butcher the words coming out of an opponents mouth and complain they're not really Christian, you're not showing that love. When you say "love" but then all you do is find loopholes to make a certain sin bad and to try to condemn that sin and those guilty of it through coincidence and bad statistics, you're not showing that love. And when someone questions your love, and you just snap at them and say "You only say that because I disagree with you!" you're just reinforcing it.

Ishida and Imana, on one side, only ones who I see love. And they're the ones who still feel obliged to say it loud that they love, even though they don't need too. I can feel their love.

On the other side, Ohioprof is the only one, and I can see she tries hard to fit this, because she is targetted so much. I imagine if she weren't so unafraid to share her sexuality, no one would target her. What a stupid reason to criticise someone so much!

To everyone else, and you know who you are, knock off the act. God would rather have you hot or cold and so would I. Don't say you love and then not show it because saying it means nothing when your actions and your words after that reflect such an opposite. If you don't feel you can learn to love, admit you don't love or even hate it and then at least you'll be honest.

LOVE: Caring and honestly praying for someone despite any of their flaws or natural abilities. Correcting through advise (said personally, not in a robotic "The Bible says" voice). Debating without hurtful sarcasm, harmful verses shouting condemnation, distorting their views, distorting evidence to support yourself, distortion in general. Not stereotyping them. Assuming they are a certain way and whether they are or not insulting them for it. This goes for a single person and a group of people.

Basically, love is when you're so humble, you see people, not sin. Sin is not our area of expertise. Leave it up to God.

 

[BreadAlone]

I agree that much of the "love" I've seen on here has really been little love at all. But I must point out that showing someone who is unrepentantly living in sin is not a bad thing. God commands us:

Brothers, if someone is caught in a sin, you who are spiritual should restore him gently.

But we should always do so with love and respect, or else we're doing nothing but causing contention. And we must also remember the rest of the above passage:

But watch yourself, or you also may be tempted.

 

[FaithLikeARock]

I agree that much of the "love" I've seen on here has really been little love at all. But I must point out that showing someone who is unrepentantly living in sin is not a bad thing. God commands us:

Brothers, if someone is caught in a sin, you who are spiritual should restore him gently.

But we should always do so with love and respect, or else we're doing nothing but causing contention. And we must also remember the rest of the above passage:

But watch yourself, or you also may be tempted.

As I put in my definition, advising brothers of when you think they're turning a wrong path is not only not hate but is a part of love. People go about it all wrong though.

 

[BreadAlone]

As I put in my definition, advising brothers of when you think they're turning a wrong path is not only not hate but is a part of love. People go about it all wrong though.

Agreed..

 

[BreadAlone]

Double post..that's odd..

 

[Catholicon]

LINO. "Love In Name Only."

An insidious form of hypocrisy.

 

[Phinehas2]

So let me ask you... when my wife and I get woken up in the night by two of our gay and lesbian friends because one of them is ill, and we take them to hospital, is that not loving them??
What some of you guys mean by loving homosexuals, is loving your sex. thats not loving that perversion.

 

[Catholicon]

You have a wife? But you claimed to be gay in another thread...

 

[Phinehas2]

Dear Catholicon,
I am gay, I have a joyful disposition, the joy of the Lord is my strength, I said this before, this is still a definition of gay in the dictionary. I have already had this conversation with Ohioprof, gay thinking has created a new obbsession and langauge which sees everything in terms of sex.

 

[RMDY]

FaithLikeARock,
By the way, if you are getting into a love person-hate sin issue, I'd like to point out to you that the English and Greek definitions of love are different.

Stop wasting your own and everyone elses time SAYING "Homosexuals I do love you! You're human! I just disagree with what you say!"

I'll use a good example. God loved ancient Israel, but he sent His prophets to them so they would change with the message of Repentance. God loves them but hated their sin. That is the whole message of the whole gospel, Rom 5:10 For if, while we were enemies, we were reconciled to God through the death of his Son, how much more, having been reconciled, will we be saved by his life!
As well as God loving us so much that He sent his only Son that whoever believe in Him shall not perish but have eternal life.

Think about it! We were enemies to God and he loved us before we loved him. He loved us and didn't like the things that separated us from him, so he found a way to bring us back.

You don't have to like what a person does to love them. Your missing the whole message here from some of us.

This kind of love is not found only in the Greek language to my knowledge. Correct me if I am wrong. I say to you once more, correct me if I am wrong.

This kind of love is called Agape. It is an unconditional love where you love another regardless of what kind of person they are, whether they are your friend or enemy, and you are commanded to treat them how you'd want to be treated basically. Corinthians13 is a good idea of this kind of love. But this kind of poetic language has lost it's point and been used for marriage ceremonies rather than to describe the kind of love christians are commanded to do for one another.

God is love, but it wouldn't make sense to relate that to a sexual relationship, would it. God is love and that same love is not related to sexuality.

So yes, I hate sin but love the bretheren unconditionally. (And yes, this includes people who are my enemies and persecute me and those fanatical Muslims that want to blow me up because they believe I blasphame their God)

 

[OllieFranz]

I agree that much of the "love" I've seen on here has really been little love at all. But I must point out that showing someone who is unrepentantly living in sin is not a bad thing. God commands us:

Brothers, if someone is caught in a sin, you who are spiritual should restore him gently.

But we should always do so with love and respect, or else we're doing nothing but causing contention. And we must also remember the rest of the above passage:

But watch yourself, or you also may be tempted.
(emphasis added)

As I put in my definition, advising brothers of when you think they're turning a wrong path is not only not hate but is a part of love. People go about it all wrong though.

The key word in the first verse BA quoted was "gently." Most of the fundamentalists who are accused of hypocrasy in their "love" are so accused because they ignore that word. And they ignore the clear directions given in the Bible on how to restore a brother.

 

[Phinehas2]

The word on restoring a brother from sin is as clear as the word which describes the sin.
you dont recognise the sin but you are critical of those who do recognise it.

 

[IamRedeemed]

Amen.

That word is from the book of James.
James 5:19-20 in fact which is:

"Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him; Let him know, that he which converts the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins."

The word on restoring a brother from sin is as clear as the word which describes the sin.
you dont recognise the sin but you are critical of those who do recognise it.

 

[FaithLikeARock]

FaithLikeARock,
By the way, if you are getting into a love person-hate sin issue, I'd like to point out to you that the English and Greek definitions of love are different.

I'll use a good example. God loved ancient Israel, but he sent His prophets to them so they would change with the message of Repentance. God loves them but hated their sin. That is the whole message of the whole gospel, Rom 5:10 For if, while we were enemies, we were reconciled to God through the death of his Son, how much more, having been reconciled, will we be saved by his life!
As well as God loving us so much that He sent his only Son that whoever believe in Him shall not perish but have eternal life.

Think about it! We were enemies to God and he loved us before we loved him. He loved us and didn't like the things that separated us from him, so he found a way to bring us back.

You don't have to like what a person does to love them. Your missing the whole message here from some of us.

This kind of love is not found only in the Greek language to my knowledge. Correct me if I am wrong. I say to you once more, correct me if I am wrong.

This kind of love is called Agape. It is an unconditional love where you love another regardless of what kind of person they are, whether they are your friend or enemy, and you are commanded to treat them how you'd want to be treated basically. Corinthians13 is a good idea of this kind of love. But this kind of poetic language has lost it's point and been used for marriage ceremonies rather than to describe the kind of love christians are commanded to do for one another.

God is love, but it wouldn't make sense to relate that to a sexual relationship, would it. God is love and that same love is not related to sexuality.

So yes, I hate sin but love the bretheren unconditionally. (And yes, this includes people who are my enemies and persecute me and those fanatical Muslims that want to blow me up because they believe I blasphame their God)

God is wise enough to pull that off. Do you have to love sin? No. But don't use it as an excuse to justify your behavior! You shouldn't HAVE to say "I love you but hate your sin" because you do it's basically reinforcing your behavior which is hateful (not you personally. I don't really recognize you personally).

Don't ever try to equal yourself to God by mimicking His behavior. God has wisdom far beyond ours and the wisest a man can become is wise enough to know he is not God.

 

[FaithLikeARock]

The word on restoring a brother from sin is as clear as the word which describes the sin.
you dont recognise the sin but you are critical of those who do recognise it.

Um, so?

In the case of homosexuality, this is wrong anyway. That's why we're HERE. Other sins, sure they're clear.

But it doesn't change the fact that on restoring them, God is very clear and repetitive. Not surprisingly, it's all in the NT.

Besides, no one here is critical of those who recognize it. They're critical of their reaction (at least, they should be).

 

[jad123]

It seems to me that when people accuse others of NOT loving what they really are looking for is acceptance not love.

 

[Zaac]

No. But don't use it as an excuse to justify your behavior! You shouldn't HAVE to say "I love you but hate your sin" because you do it's basically reinforcing your behavior which is hateful (not you personally. I don't really recognize you personally).

Frankly, the whole "hateful" diatribe is old. Is homosexual fornication a sin Faithlike a rock?

Don't ever try to equal yourself to God by mimicking His behavior

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Christians are being sanctified into the image of Christ. Why would we not want to align our behavior with His?

God has wisdom far beyond ours and the wisest a man can become is wise enough to know he is not God.

Who has said he is God?

 

[FaithLikeARock]

Frankly, the whole "hateful" diatribe is old. Is homosexual fornication a sin Faithlike a rock?

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Christians are being sanctified into the image of Christ. Why would we not want to align our behavior with His?



Who has said he is God?

Don't know, don't really care, because in the end our sin doesn't matter a hill of beans if we accept Christ. I don't have the intelligence to determine what is and isn't sin so I may very well accept everything as sin. I will not do anything to harm another person and will do everything to help another person and as long as I hold to that I feel close to God. Trying to avoid sin by sin will never work. It's impossible. Trying to be as good as you can through ministry without paying mind to sin works far better.

God can do great things and we can not. We're not called to save people but to lead people. GOD saves people and we lead people. GOD judges people and we judge sin (even though I question even that). The only thing we should mimic and the only thing we're CALLED to mimic is God's love and forgiveness. Everything else we can only determine through vast generalization and assumption.

Like I said, words mean nothing. If you SAID you were God, you'd just be crazy. People attempt to make themselves equal to God when they think they are wise enough and worthy enough to perform God's job.

 

[FaithLikeARock]

It seems to me that when people accuse others of NOT loving what they really are looking for is acceptance not love.

Acceptance and love are the same thing. You can't love someone with accepting them. Besides, you have to accept everything or else you're denying it exists. Hence why we say we accept God.

 

[jad123]

Acceptance and love are the same thing. You can't love someone with accepting them. Besides, you have to accept everything or else you're denying it exists. Hence why we say we accept God.

I disagree. You do not have accept someones sin to love them.