Quick question on evolution

[PsychoSarah]

This is why Darwinism is a faith based belief system, with a religious-like fervency surrounding the belief.

What, that we can indirectly observe phenomenon based in their impact on things we can observe?

 

[lasthero]

You have to be able to actually observe it happening or be able to repeat it and then observe it.

Let's say I come across a man lying in the street. He's bleeding from his shoulder, and he's unconscious. There's a smoking gun nearby, and the hold in his shoulder is about the size you would expect from a bullet wound. You can see a spot on the wall behind him that looks like it was hit by something small and fast. Adding on to all of this, you heard a gunshot, which is why you came here in the first place.

Now, you didn't see this guy get shot, and you obviously can't reproduce the incident as it happened, but when you call 911 and tell them that this man was shot, are you guessing?

 

[justlookinla]

What, that we can indirectly observe phenomenon based in their impact on things we can observe?

No, that there is absolutely no evidence, no proof, no impetus observed which evolved humanity from a single life form. There's only faith.

 

[justlookinla]

Let's say I come across a man lying in the street. He's bleeding from his shoulder, and he's unconscious. There's a smoking gun nearby, and the hold in his shoulder is about the size you would expect from a bullet wound. You can see a spot on the wall behind him that looks like it was hit by something small and fast. Adding on to all of this, you heard a gunshot, which is why you came here in the first place.

Now, you didn't see this guy get shot, and you obviously can't reproduce the incident as it happened, but when you call 911 and tell them that this man was shot, are you guessing?

Good lord, when are these analogies going to stop and real discussion of the real issue take place?

 

[PsychoSarah]

No, that there is absolutely no evidence, no proof, no impetus observed which evolved humanity from a single life form. There's only faith.

Technically, considering Eve came from Adam, Christianity states all humans came from just one life form in its own way.

 

[lasthero]

Good lord, when are these analogies going to stop and real discussion of the real issue take place?

Analogies are helpful for explaining concepts. People use them all the time in discussions.

 

[justlookinla]

What, that we can indirectly observe phenomenon based in their impact on things we can observe?

You cannot directly observe the impetus which created humanity from a single life form. You only have faith in an explanation.

 

[justlookinla]

Technically, considering Eve came from Adam, Christianity states all humans came from just one life form in its own way.

Could be. That doesn't address the process whereby a single life form became you and me though.

 

[PsychoSarah]

You cannot directly observe the impetus which created humanity from a single life form. You only have faith in an explanation.

I never said I could directly observe a process which took billions of years -_- , we can however observe it indirectly.

 

[Mediate]

Could be. That doesn't address the process whereby a single life form became you and me though.

If someone did address it, and explain it for you, I have trouble imagining you'd be able to understand it. You think atheism is belief in a reductive small paragraph about evolution.

Atheism isn't that.

Atheism - Noun.


Disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.



Doesn't imply anything about evolution.

 

[PsychoSarah]

If someone did address it, and explain it for you, I have trouble imagining you'd be able to understand it. You think atheism is belief in a reductive small paragraph about evolution.

Atheism isn't that.

Atheism - Noun.


Disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.



Doesn't imply anything about evolution.

Or much else, I know atheists who believe in ghosts and the afterlife.

 

[Armoured]

So "impetus" is the cut and paste word for the day is it? Ad infinitum et nauseam, the impetus is survival.

 

[Kylie]

This is why Darwinism is a faith based belief system, with a religious-like fervency surrounding the belief.

You spelled "evidence" wrong.

 

[Split Rock]

No, that there is absolutely no evidence, no proof, no impetus observed which evolved humanity from a single life form. There's only faith.

There is plenty of evidence, like the twin-nested hierarchy, the fossil record, atavisms, vestigial organs, embryology, etc. None is based on any faith. Common descent is an inference based on the physical evidence.

You cannot directly observe the impetus which created humanity from a single life form. You only have faith in an explanation.

No. An inference from the physical evidence is not a faith-based explanation.

 

[EternalDragon]

There is plenty of evidence, like the twin-nested hierarchy, the fossil record, atavisms, vestigial organs, embryology, etc. None is based on any faith. Common descent is an inference based on the physical evidence.

No. An inference from the physical evidence is not a faith-based explanation.

The evidence, minus the false vestigial organ idea, and nested hierarchy fits the ID theory just fine.

 

[Dizredux]

The evidence, minus the false vestigial organ idea, and nested hierarchy fits the ID theory just fine.

Yes, if you take out all of the known and verified evidence that supports evolution, then you might have ID as a default but it would not explain very much.

Dizredux

 

[EternalDragon]

Yes, if you take out all of the known and verified evidence that supports evolution, then you might have ID as a default but it would not explain very much.

Dizredux

All of the known and verified evidence for evolution = similarities.

Which is also equal evidence for ID.

 

[lasthero]

All of the known and verified evidence for evolution = similarities.

It's not just similarities. It's the pattern of similarities.

 

[Dizredux]

It's not just similarities. It's the pattern of similarities.

How many time has ED been told this and how many times has he ignored it?

I know ED will not look at this but for readers interested here is a very good article describing 29+ evidences for Macroevolution or "The Scientific Case for Common Descent"
29+ Evidences for Macroevolution: The Scientific Case for Common Descent

Take care,

Dizredux

 

[Loudmouth]

All of the known and verified evidence for evolution = similarities.

It is a nested hierarchy, not just similarities. You have never shown why this isn't evidence. All you can simply say is that you will continue with your denial and refuse to look at the evieence.

Which is also equal evidence for ID.

Just like fingerprints and DNA at crime scenes could have been put there by God.