Quick observation on "Passion"

[Benedicta00]

That was me, Therese, and I really do think that. I also think that when people see a Crucufix, they will really see it. And know what it represents.

All the mockery of Catholics because of the crucifix that I have seen on here alone, I think the mockery will stop at the very least. I don’t think in good conscious someone will be able to say to us that we worship a piece of wood anymore. Hopefully the extreme types will get a clue, but I have been seeing the extremes say they won't see the movie because they feel that the movie is idol worship.

 

[Michelina]

the Gospels don't go in-depth into explaining the sufferings that Christ endured

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The evangelists were addressing an audience that knew what a crucufixion was. They didn't need any more detail than they got. We do.

 

[mhillson]

remember, when referring to "passion" in terms of Christ and the movie, it means "suffering" not it's present day meaning. though it is one man's interpretation of events, from what i've read, it is fairly faithful to scripture.

but on the the OP...i've had several (protestant) friends mention speeches in church or publications passed out that deal with the movie....in each instance, what was one of the most important message? protestants: don't dwell on issues that seem too "catholic," rather look for the themes and the message that unites. i was rather surprised, but pleased, that enough ministers confronted a perceived bias in some of the more evangelicial in their congregations from any early point. moreover, i do think it will help folks understand the nature of catholics and the crucifix.

 

[KennySe]

Jesus was scourged.

What exactly did this entail? How many lashings? What kind of whip? etc etc.

Yes, we do need a wakeup call.

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I've read on some thread on some forum here at CF (can't recall now) a Christian state how Jesus' passion was no big deal since he knew he would rise from thedead. As though Jesus had one day of pain that was no big deal. That any person would have, and could have taken such a day.

Yes, we need a wake up call.

 

[Dominus Fidelis]

Do you think that Protestants will finally understand what wearing a Crucifix means to Catholics now that they have seen the Movie?

Do you think they might start wearing them?

Dont know about that...but they may actually figure out that Mary has more to do with Jesus' ministry than being a "womb for rent!"

 

[nyj]

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The evangelists were addressing an audience that knew what a crucufixion was. They didn't need any more detail than they got. We do.

I disagree, on several levels.

1. I don't think we need to know more detail than we have.

2. I don't think the authors omitted details simply because people knew of them back then.

3. The Gospels were Divinely Inspired Documents. If God thought it important to tell us the gruesome details of crucifixion, He would have relayed that importance to the Gospel writers.

 

[Benedicta00]

nyj,

But what about the mystics, they have recorded details. I now they aren't inspired but the authentic mystics like Pio, have experienced the crucifixion. The Orthodox, I believe do not have this phenomena in their Church so do you think it possible that they may be speaking from that fact? They don’t have devotion to the Passion the way we do.

 

[nyj]

nyj,

But what about the mystics, they have recorded details. I now they aren't inspired but the authentic mystics like Pio, have experienced the crucifixion. The Orthodox, I believe do not have this phenomena in their Church so do you think it possible that they may be speaking from that fact? They don’t have devotion to the Passion the way we do.

I wouldn't say that the Orthodox don't have a devotion to the Passion the way we do. I'm simply not familiar enough with the Orthodox to say this. However, given their spiritual preparations during the Lenten season (which I've seen firsthand), I would say that they do have a particularly strong devotion to the Passion.

However, I can't make any particular connection with private revelation and what is recorded in the Gospels and how that should relate to what we, as Catholics, need to know about the crucifixion. What we need to know is already there in the Gospel narratives.

 

[Dominus Fidelis]

I think devout believers can get all they need from the Bible...but I think society in general in modern times needs to be shocked and woken up, and I think the gore is appropriate for that reason.

Initial reports from my friends have been that entire theatres are silent and still for minutes afterwards.

I guess its kind of like being intellectually for pro-choice...and then you see a partial-birth abortion first hand, and the gruesomeness of it smacks sense into your head.

 

[PeterPaul]

Initial reports from my friends have been that entire theatres are silent and still for minutes afterwards.

See? I think people are giving it the honest, respectful meditation that it deserves.

 

[Benedicta00]

I wouldn't say that the Orthodox don't have a devotion to the Passion the way we do. I'm simply not familiar enough with the Orthodox to say this. However, given their spiritual preparations during the Lenten season (which I've seen firsthand), I would say that they do have a particularly strong devotion to the Passion.

However, I can't make any particular connection with private revelation and what is recorded in the Gospels and how that should relate to what we, as Catholics, need to know about the crucifixion. What we need to know is already there in the Gospel narratives.

I know they have devotion to the sufferings of Jesus just like we have devotion to the resection. But we are the half that has the stigmatism who do experience the crucifixion and it is a fact that they have never experienced this phenomena .

I am just thinking out loud that this may be the reason why the don’t view the movie in the same way as we do. I have seen where some Orthodox won’t even see it. For us bring back devotion to Christ crucified is important that is why we see this as good and needed.

 

[nyj]

But we are the half that has the stigmatism who do experience the crucifixion and it is a fact that they have never experienced this phenomena .

I'd be hesitant to use this argument as proof of anything. I book I own has a listing of non-Catholic Christians who have potentially carried the stigmata.

 

[Michelina]

If God thought it important to tell us the gruesome details of crucifixion, He would have relayed that importance to the Gospel writers.

Or He could inspire someone to write a book like "A Doctor at Calvary".

Or He could inspire someone to make a movie.

Many saints tell us to meditate on the Passion. This movie will provide images and inspiration to do so.

But the proof will be in the pudding.

 

[Isaiah 53]

I don't know why everything has to be 'us' vs. 'them'. This holds true from the Catholic and Protestant views.

I am a Southern Baptist. I have a Cross in my living room along with a statue of Mary. I have a crucifix in my bedroom..whats the big deal?

It shouldn't be "I hope they will wear a crucifix" or "they shouldn't wear that crucifix because..." It is about Christ and placing your faith in Him and Him alone.

My 2 cents.

PEACE IN CHRIST!!!

 

[jukesk9]

Do you think that Protestants will finally understand what wearing a Crucifix means to Catholics now that they have seen the Movie?

Do you think they might start wearing them?

The Fundamentalists will still mock us and the anti-Catholics will still call it idolatry. One can only hope and pray, though, this movie might change their views...

 

[nyj]

Or He could inspire someone to write a book like "A Doctor at Calvary".

Or He could inspire someone to make a movie.

All of which would still be private revelation.

Many saints tell us to meditate on the Passion.

Which can be done without having to envision all of the potential gore of that particular experience.

 

[Michelina]

Isaiah,
I agree with you, but you have to remember that many of us have been assaulted with "Get that crucifix off the wall - Jesus is risen" kind of argument and that's just where they start.

I was in a CATHOLIC hospital visiting a friend when another friend of hers came in and said what I quote above.

I agree that it should not be "us vs them" and there are many other Catholics who pray with me for that day. I think Jesus will be pleased when all Christians feel the same way.

Thanks for your post, Isaiah.

 

[Isaiah 53]

Isaiah,
I agree with you, but you have to remember that many of us have been assaulted with "Get that crucifix off the wall - Jesus is risen" kind of argument and that's just where they start.

I was in a CATHOLIC hospital visiting a friend when another friend of hers came in and said what I quote above.

I agree that it should not be "us vs them" and there are many other Catholics who pray with me for that day. I think Jesus will be pleased when all Christians feel the same way.

Thanks for your post, Isaiah.

I too long for the day when Christians will stop tearing each other down and start focusing on the lost.

God Bless,

PEACE IN CHRIST!!

P.S

Thanks for the kind response Michelina!!

 

[Michelina]

"That all may be one in US so that the world may know that You sent Me" (John 17) Unity is tied to the effectiveneess of our witness.

We may not be one in doctrine but we can and should be one in Love.

God Bless You, Isaiah.

 

[Bastoune]

That was me, Therese, and I really do think that. I also think that when people see a Crucufix, they will really see it. And know what it represents.

Let's hope it doesn't become a "trend" (like when Madonna wore them in the 1980s...) but rather, a sign of deeper conversion and consecration to our Lord.