questions...

[ttreg]

Here are two of them. If we arent suppose to kill then why did got told Israel to be in wars and kill etc. I forgot where but somewhere in the NT it saids that God will not tempt us to sin. If thats true then why did God tell peter to eat unclean animals?

 

[Dathen]

Firstly answer this question. What are you doing here after Wednesday, when your inrernet was cut off?????????

 

[ttreg]

The thread is deleted like I wanted it too thanks Sophia. So um never mind my sister basically made my mother turn the internet back on.

 

[Dathen]

I can't find it. Can you link to it, or is it deleted.

 

[Dasdream]

can you find me the verse in which that is found? I know Samson and Daid Killed people (David only killed Goliath) but it was for the safety of those that belive in God and to protect us. They were to hand picked people by God to defend us. I'm not to famliar with the story your asking about.

 

[ttreg]

Well i mean like they were told to kill witches theyre children etc. And you know how isreal went to war etc.

 

[Dathen]

It's good you're still here.

 

[plum]

ttreg: do you see a difference between murder and killing? Doesn't the commandment say "thou shalt not murder"? (I do believe it's clarified in the Hebrew) because if it says "kill" then I suppose it makes no sense to kill animals, bugs, or punish anyone by death or kill during war, etc... just wondering what your thoughts are on that difference.

 

[Dathen]

Murder is killing without much reason
Killing is something like stoning someone for what they did, which did happen in Israel..

 

[ttreg]

Okay.....What about second question?

 

[Dathen]

The fact that people think God told Peter to eat unclen animals is wrong. Read the whole chapters, and the few chapters around that chapter, you will soon see, that the dream was symbloic not to discriminate between people of different races. This chapter confuses many people, but has a clear answer!!!!

 

[ttreg]

Dathen I know what the SDA veiw is but God did tell Peter to eat the animals.

 

[OntheDL]

Dathen I know what the SDA veiw is but God did tell Peter to eat the animals.

Please read the whole story...

Acts 10
10 And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance,

11 And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending upon him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:
12 Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.
13 And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.
14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean. 15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.
...
28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.

The vision Peter received was about preaching the gospel the common people/gentiles.

 

[Dathen]

Amen. If you knew the Bible teaching of the chapter you would see the facts posted by ONtheDL. You'd also see the symbolicness. I think it's all made very clear in post #13.

 

[ttreg]

LISTEN! I said I knew the SDA position why didnt you read my last post? And yes God did tell him to eat the food read Acts 10:13. And yes I read verse 28 which makes it show that it was about other people but still he was told to eat the food so if he ate he would of sin but God said to eat the food so it would of been God tempting him.

 

[OntheDL]

LISTEN! I said I knew the SDA position why didnt you read my last post? And yes God did tell him to eat the food read Acts 10:13. And yes I read verse 28 which makes it show that it was about other people but still he was told to eat the food so if he ate he would of sin but God said to eat the food so it would of been God tempting him.

Visions and dreams can't be taken literally. In the dream God did tell Peter to eat. But in reality, God used that to show Peter not to use that as an excuse to refuse to preach to the gentiles. God did not say it's ok to eat unclean food because He can not contradict Himself.

 

[Dathen]

I read all your posts, and me and OntheDl make the same point, it's a prophecy.You don't take it literally. You don't need to get angry, because it's simple to see. You're asking for what the answer is in a SDA forum, and you say you know you thje SDA beliefs, well you're only going to get told the SDA beliefs.Can't you see the clear picture. Don't take dreams literally, you must interpret the dreams. Like Peter did, he may of been tempted, but he interpreted it and discovered it symbolicness. I suggest a deep study, so you can do the same.

I did read your last post, so please don't accuse me of not reading it........

 

[.chrys.]

ttreg,

To be honest, I've been an Adventist for 13 years and both topics are still confusing to me. I choose not to murder, and to abstain from "unclean" meats. I pray to find better understanding than what has been given me (through my brothers and sisters in the church).

~Witness

 

[Cliff2]

ttreg,

To be honest, I've been an Adventist for 13 years and both topics are still confusing to me. I choose not to murder, and to abstain from "unclean" meats. I pray to find better understanding than what has been given me (through my brothers and sisters in the church).

~Witness

Sometimes the SOP gives us a better understanding of tehse issues than what we see from the Bible. It is not an addition but just a way that things are explained in a way that makes them easier to understand.

Take the issue of killing. We have been told that their cup of iniquity was full and that for them to remain as they were would have given Satan an advantage in the way he could spead his message of evil in the world.

In other words because of their evil deeds their probation had run out. Their continued life on earth would have only glorified evil.

You need to read the story again in the Bible about Peter and the unclean meats. It was to show him that the Gentiles were not considered by God to be unclean. God has made the Gentiles clean and that the gospel needed to be taken to them as well as the Jews.

 

[OntheDL]

On the killing issues...

God is love and God is life. He does not ask us to kill without reason.

When the Israelites were marching towards the promised land, all the pagan nations around it had heard about what happened to the Egyptians. They resisted God and His people by choice and thus needed to be removed.

We look at every people that God asked the Israelites to eradicate but they failed to do so, that descendents either had come back (sometime hundreds of years later) to be great enemies of Israel or the Israelites eventually adopted paganism from them.

So God had perfectly justified reasons for it. And God does not indiscriminately kill innocent people. God always makes a way of escape for repentant believers who were seemingly trapped in the impending disaster. Remember Rahab, Lot and his family and Noah and his family?

Hope this helps,