Questions

[heron]

I know I've answered your posts more than I need to, so I hope others will continue to add their responses.

I found some things in one area of the Bible that addressed several of the topics that have come up. You're asking for personal opinions, so I will try to mix a little of that in as well.
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any more of a Christian with no tattoos?

http://www.xtat.org/ Christian tattoo association
http://www.ftattoo.com/christiancrosstattoos/ (links)

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35 dollar Christian concert ticket.

A lot of people love to play music, sing, write, be on stage. Many dream of making it their life work, and their career. Some make it, some don't, some never try. Many that we never hear about continue to play as starving artists.

Friends of the family are in a very successful Christian rock band, and they express frustration that going on tour doesn't pay much better than a fast food job, after expenses. You would know more about that than I.

Most of us have good intentions in what we pursue, but we also slip into finding ways to make more money, cutting valuable things for efficiency, corrupting our original intents...that's why we all need supernatural help.

But I see your point, that some Christians are more attuned to Christian culture than to God's purposes.
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"...Nor did we [Paul, Silvanus and Timothy] ever accept food from anyone without paying for it; no, we worked with unsparing energy, night and day, so as not to be a burden on any of you."
II Thess. 3:8

Instruct those who are rich ...that they should not be proud and should not set their hopes on money....They are to do good and be rich in good works, generous..." I Timothy 1:17-19
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on charities

Addressing an earlier question of yours: there is nearly awhole NT chapter on caring for widows, in I Timothy 5. "Be considerate to widows...anyone who does not look after his own relations, especially if they are living with him, has rejected the faith and is worse than an unbeliever."
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help everyone, including non-believers?

Good question. I think we tend to think of the church body as our family, and we want to support their efforts. It's not so much an us/them withholding as it might appear. Many of us give to secular groups as well.

There's an interesting study done on this topic; the supporting article is at http://www.policyreview.org/oct03/brooks.html
"The differences in charity between secular and religious people are dramatic. Religious people are 25 percentage points more likely than secularists to donate money (91 percent to 66 percent) and 23 points more likely to volunteer time (67 percent to 44 percent). And, consistent with the findings of other writers, these data show that practicing a religion is more important than the actual religion itself in predicting charitable behavior. For example, among those who attend worship services regularly, 92 percent of Protestants give charitably, compared with 91 percent of Catholics, 91 percent of Jews, and 89 percent from other religions."​

non-believer that you should be trying to help.

Wouldn't that appear like we had an agenda to recruit? When we become Christians, we don't suddenly become competent.

I think, though, that this question pertains to the way we respond to others on this site; and in this case, you are right. We should help answer questions with understanding and a sense of where people are coming from. If someone has bothered to seek out this site, they probably want to resolve personal questions and dilemmas.
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"I urge then, first of all that petitions, prayers, intercessions and thanksgiving should be offered for everyone, for kings and those in authority [Not just Christian ones]....for there is only one...mediator between God and humanity...who offered himself as a ransom for all."
I Timothy 2:1-5
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screenname

Saw a witty dichotomy but didn't think of what it applied to.
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Jesus told this man he would be with him in paradise, despite his sins.

Yes, he did. And if we can't take Jesus' word for it, we are making up our own rules.
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Why do Christians not what to hear an outside opinion?

"The final goal at which this instruction aims is love....Some people have...turned to empty speculation, trying to be teachers of the Law; but they understand neither the words they use nor the matters about which they make such strong assertions. We are well aware that the law is good, but only provided it is used legitimately...[for criminals]."
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I Timothy 1:5-7

Just one theory. Another--we sense our fallibility, and sometimes respond in fear of losing something valuable. As we grow more secure in our faith over time, we are less fearful of being swayed, and maybe more open to hearing from outside sources.

Another...some of us were raised in school to give quick, "right" answers rather than reasoning through all variables and aspects. Theory 3: Habit.
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[Radagast]

... I'm a lead singer in a heavy metal band and have tattoos, shaved head.

Nobody here can see what you look like -- you are judged here only by what you say.

But you've complained that Christians protested against your band. Apparently it's a "Black Sabbath" tribute band, and "Black Sabbath" sang songs like:

Ave Ave Satanas
Ave Ave Satanas

I am the shadow with the eyes, eyes of fire
I will fulfill your every hellish desire
Come sit on this thrown here beside me and be mine
And we'll watch the flames get higher and higher...

If I thought you were going to sing that, I'd be protesting too!

-- Radagast

 

[sinner/SAVED]

Let me throw this in because it makes it a little more interesting from what I have seen so far. I'm a lead singer in a heavy metal band and have tattoos, shaved head. Having said that, my first question is would I be any more of a Christian if I was in a contemporary Christian band, a head full of hair (Mother Nature hasn't helped me there) and no tattoos? If I sang about Jesus but charged for people to hear me? To me that alone should take away from the purpose of their music, because it should be a free message not a 35 dollar ticket.

Being in a heavy metal band is no different from being in any business or job. If you are a Christian you should honor God in everything you do, and this includes whatever you may do for a living.

Next question

If you see two charities, one a Christian, one for homeless children, which do you help?

There are many Christian charities for homeless children. In fact, I feel safe to say that most charities of this type are founded by Christians or Christian organizations.

Next question

How many of you seen my screenname and all of a sudden thought I was talking about the Bible or something to do with Christians? I have a feeling that is the case. So an explanation, my name is a political based name nothing to do with religion.

I think there is much truth in fiction.

Next question

It is in the Bible that we are created in the image of God. Wouldn't this make you want to help everyone, non-believers included? All men are created equal but the question is, do you treat everyone equal?

Yes, to the best of my ability.

Next question

A continuation of the last question. In theory, you couldn't help a believer since they already believe so it would look to me to be the non-believer that you should be trying to help. Agreed?

It depends on the type of help needed. There are hungry people of all belief's. There are people of all faith's in prison. There are lonely people in every group. Treating everyone equally means exactly that.

Next question

When Jesus was crucified, one of the other men who was also crucified also, said that he believed in Jesus. Jesus told this man he would be with him in paradise, despite his sins. This to me and my comprehension was a man who was never a believer and done things that were not good. My purpose of this question is that I have always said I am a believer, just not a Christian by practice. My question is, did I misunderstand this part?

Salvation is gift, not something earned through personal effort.

Next question (just a few more, promise)

If a preacher asked you these questions would you be more interested in answering them than answering them for me?

Probably less.

Why do Christians, in general, not all. Not what to hear an outside opinion? One they may be a little different than theirs but nonetheless as important? Was this not the very reason that Jesus was persecuted, for having different beliefs? Before you answer by saying that Jesus was placed here to give his life for our sins, please understand that I know that. I am asking if the problem others had with him is because they thought he talked nonsense because he was saying something they didn't agree with?

I have no problem hearing your opinion. I may disagree, but you have every right to your opinion.

I am finished now. What I do want to say is that if you do not think these questions are important it is because you have not asked non-believers. I have dozens more of these questions. These questions are not for debate. I am asking your opinions and will not debate your answers. I'm analytical, yes I know that Christianity is a belief that is based on having faith that it is the right way, the only way but you have to understand that the posts I have left so far have done nothing but make me question Christians and what they feel their purpose is.

Thank you

You are welcome, and ask on!

 

[heron]

There's another good article on donation statistics that's almost comical... poorer states have a higher tendency toward giving than wealthy .

http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/1222/p15s01-ussc.html

"Inevitably, our biggest gifts aren't from old money that comes with a feeling of right and nobility," said Wess Stafford, president and CEO of Compassion International, a Colorado-based relief agency for poor children. "Inevitably, it comes from people who have clawed their way up and remember what it was like to be on the brink of having nothing."

"The reason low-income states give a lot is religion," said George McCully, president of Massachusetts-based Catalogue for Philanthropy, whose index uses 2002 IRS tax return data to compare each state's average itemized charitable deduction with its average adjusted gross income.
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[AlikhnKwizad]

Glad it was useful!

A long time ago we knew quite a few people in the christian rock thing. I thought it was odd for a person to be screaming like a demon about the love of G-d. I remember walking in on a really popular "christian hard core" singer as he was making out with his girlfriend. Later he goes out to sing/yell about G-d.

I think music is used to communicate ideas. The love songs, the thrash bands, the disco, the folk music... It may communicate something very deep & spiritual or something very shallow & superficial.

I listen to music that I connect with spiritually. That doesn't mean I listen to all christian music- really, some of it is very, um, well, not very deep, IMHO... I connect with Simon & Garfunkel just as much as Vivaldi... and the Beatles... and unfortunately at one point in my life I really connected to Tool- but Baruch HaShem I am comming out of that place.

I connected to Tool because I was experiencing some of the same feelings that their music expresses. I understood the spiritual nature of the underlying message. I didn't listen 'cause it was cool at the time and sounded angry & rebellious... but some people do that.

Anyway, I believe music is a more visible form of a spiritual reality... it is an expression of what is going on in one's soul- both for the muscian & the audiance.

Did you know the Torah is canted (sung) in Hebrew? That too is music. Have you ever heard the Word of HaShem sung in it's origional language? It's better than any drug on earth.

Shalom~NK

 

[dllewis1958]

Wow...you are in so many ways the exact same way my husband was..lol Not sure if you read my post to you in your Thank You thread but I will try to answer some of these questions..

1, First off if you were a Christian you would not be in a heavy metal band..don't worry about your outward appearance..my husband has tattoos but he does have a full head of curly "LONG" hair (God blessed him with nice thick curly hair)God doesn't care what you look like..hey remember he made us..lol..Being in a band you know that there are expenses that go along with performing. If the charge is to take care of expenses that is one thing if it is for other reasons well I don't feel it's right..(Just my opinion) We have Christian Singing Groups come to our church every month. They do not ask for any money. We have a dinner before the singing and we take up a love offering for the group because we want to help them out..Cars don't run on air after all..lol

2. Charities. The bible tells us to help the homeless. So first I would pray about it and give to the one that God directs me to. We should never do anything on our own..we should always go to God for guidance.

3. Screenname: Sorry but I do not look at screennames or icons.

4: We as christians are suppose to help everyone..Believers and Non-Believers..guess what Believers go through more trials and temptations than non-believers..Satan attacks us Christians because he knows his time is running out..he doesn't need to attack the non believer he already has them.. But yes it's our duty as Christians to help the non-believer but we are to do it in love..We are no better than the non-christian..we all sin and come short of the glory of god..

5. The man on the other cross asked for forgiveness of his sins..You can believe all you want but the bible says the only way to get to heaven is through Jesus by acknowledging that we are sinners and ask for forgiveness of those sins and acknowledge that Christ is the son of God and that he died for us..you know how that works. See that man had time to ask for forgiveness..we are not promised tomorrow - we all have an appointed time to die so we need to be ready at all times to make it into heaven.

6. If a preacher asked me these questions I'd be concerned. It is a good thing that you are asking these questions. You say they are to help others but I hope that they help you.

I really do not know why some Christians have a problem with non-christians opinions. It's not up the Christian's to debate the word of God..it is our job to show the love of God through us---let our light shine so to speak..lol

Some Christians I believe just go about it in the wrong way..See we are living in the last days and we Christians are just wanting everyone to get saved..it frustrates us..we can't understand why non-christians can't see the love of God..mainly because non-christians are looking at the outward appearance of christians instead of what is in their hearts...I sing a song in church called "He see's me with his heart" God sees us with his heart not his eyes..and it's up to us as Christians to see the non-christian with our heart not our eyes..

Just a final note to you..People, churches will not get you to heaven. Like I told you in the other thread, We must put blinders on ---people and churches (some) will fail us but God will never fail us..so with that said I have just one question for you..Fairs Fair right..lol

You are a believer but don't like what goes on in churches..well my question is this:

What is keeping you from being a Christian? Before you answer think about it. Don't answer because of the way so called christians act or because of the church issue..I want you to search your heart and answer what is truely keeping you from being a Christian......

God Bless

 

[TheTruthinFiction]

Nobody here can see what you look like -- you are judged here only by what you say.



But you've complained that Christians protested against your band. Apparently it's a "Black Sabbath" tribute band, and "Black Sabbath" sang songs like:


If I thought you were going to sing that, I'd be protesting too!

-- Radagast

Radagast, sitting in the studio, huge thunderstorm that is messing with our amps and my wife sent me an IM on the laptop. She asked if these were Sabbath lyrics.

I'm not trying to be rude but those are not Black Sabbath's lyrics. Your quote is a song titled, "Black Sabbath" by the band Type O Negative. It is also titled, "From Satans perspective". Because the song by Black Sabbath, titled, "Black Sabbath" has different lyrics than that one, here is the lyrics.

What is this that stands before me?
Figure in black which points at me
Turn around quick, and start to run
Find out I'm the chosen one
Oh nooo!
Big black shape with eyes of fire
Telling people their desire
Satan's sitting there, he's smiling
Watches those flames get higher and higher
Oh no, no, please God help me!
Is it the end, my friend?
Satan's coming 'round the bend
People running 'cause they're scared
The people better go and beware!
No, no, please, no!

The song is about addictions and realizing they had problems with drugs. The song you quoted was a parody because so many people said Sabbath were Satanists, but again not by Black Sabbath, instead Type O Negative.

As for my band being a tribute band. We are a full-fledged band, our own lyrics, our own music, just so happened that we were picked to play on a Black Sabbath/Ozzy Osbourne Tribute cd. The song we recordered was titled After Forever. Here are the lyrics to it. Everyone else, I will get back to your posts as soon as possible and thanks.

After Forever lyrics

Have you ever thought about your soul - can it be saved
Or perhaps you think that when you're dead
you just stay in your grave
Is God just a thought within your head
or is he a part of you
Is Christ just a name that you read in a book
when you were at school?
When you think about death do you lose your breathe
or do you keep your cool?
Would you like to see the Pope, on the end of a rope
- Do you think he's a fool?
Well I have seen the truth. Yes I have seen the light
and I've changed my ways
And I'll be prepared when you're lonely
and scared at the end of Our days

Could it be you're afraid of what you friends might say
If they knew you believe in God above
They should realize before they criticize
That God is the only way to love

Is your mind so small that you have to fall
In with the pack wherever they run
Will you still sneer when death is near
And say they may as well worship the sun

I think it was true it was people like you
that crucified Christ
I think it sad the opinion you had was the only one voiced
Will you be so sure when your day is near
say you don't believe?
You had the chance but you turned it down
now you can't retrieve.

Perhaps you'll think before you say
that God is dead and gone
Open your eyes, just, realize that he is the One
The only One Who can save you now from all this pain & hate
Or will you still jeer at all you hear?
Yes! - I think it's too late.

This is why I mentioned the heavy metal band, tattoos. For years Ozzy Osbourne was put down, protested, banned because people SAID he was evil. When in fact, he was singing songs like this one, recorded in 1973. It has been a popular belief that Ozzy has found God for the tv show he has, because his wife battled cancer and he is getting older but that song is 31 years old. The name Black Sabbath was the name their record label gave them. They were originally named, Mother Earth. Sorry to correct you but this really does show the way people jump to conclusions, either by what they hear about someone or by appearance.

Thanks

 

[TheTruthinFiction]

Wow...you are in so many ways the exact same way my husband was..lol Not sure if you read my post to you in your Thank You thread but I will try to answer some of these questions..

1, First off if you were a Christian you would not be in a heavy metal band..don't worry about your outward appearance..my husband has tattoos but he does have a full head of curly "LONG" hair (God blessed him with nice thick curly hair)God doesn't care what you look like..hey remember he made us..lol..Being in a band you know that there are expenses that go along with performing. If the charge is to take care of expenses that is one thing if it is for other reasons well I don't feel it's right..(Just my opinion) We have Christian Singing Groups come to our church every month. They do not ask for any money. We have a dinner before the singing and we take up a love offering for the group because we want to help them out..Cars don't run on air after all..lol

2. Charities. The bible tells us to help the homeless. So first I would pray about it and give to the one that God directs me to. We should never do anything on our own..we should always go to God for guidance.

3. Screenname: Sorry but I do not look at screennames or icons.

4: We as christians are suppose to help everyone..Believers and Non-Believers..guess what Believers go through more trials and temptations than non-believers..Satan attacks us Christians because he knows his time is running out..he doesn't need to attack the non believer he already has them.. But yes it's our duty as Christians to help the non-believer but we are to do it in love..We are no better than the non-christian..we all sin and come short of the glory of god..

5. The man on the other cross asked for forgiveness of his sins..You can believe all you want but the bible says the only way to get to heaven is through Jesus by acknowledging that we are sinners and ask for forgiveness of those sins and acknowledge that Christ is the son of God and that he died for us..you know how that works. See that man had time to ask for forgiveness..we are not promised tomorrow - we all have an appointed time to die so we need to be ready at all times to make it into heaven.

6. If a preacher asked me these questions I'd be concerned. It is a good thing that you are asking these questions. You say they are to help others but I hope that they help you.

I really do not know why some Christians have a problem with non-christians opinions. It's not up the Christian's to debate the word of God..it is our job to show the love of God through us---let our light shine so to speak..lol

Some Christians I believe just go about it in the wrong way..See we are living in the last days and we Christians are just wanting everyone to get saved..it frustrates us..we can't understand why non-christians can't see the love of God..mainly because non-christians are looking at the outward appearance of christians instead of what is in their hearts...I sing a song in church called "He see's me with his heart" God sees us with his heart not his eyes..and it's up to us as Christians to see the non-christian with our heart not our eyes..

Just a final note to you..People, churches will not get you to heaven. Like I told you in the other thread, We must put blinders on ---people and churches (some) will fail us but God will never fail us..so with that said I have just one question for you..Fairs Fair right..lol

You are a believer but don't like what goes on in churches..well my question is this:

What is keeping you from being a Christian? Before you answer think about it. Don't answer because of the way so called christians act or because of the church issue..I want you to search your heart and answer what is truely keeping you from being a Christian......

God Bless

Hey thanks, I did read the other post on my Thank You thread. I was answering another post and thought I would answer this question real quick.
What keeps me from being a Christian?

I think I am a Christian, as you said in heart but I'm not going to let that become my every breath of life. I don't see why saying I'm a Christian makes me any different than not saying it so between my band and my regular job as a Human Resources manager where the mention of religion will get me a ticket to the unemployment line, I don't use the word. It's not a shame to be a Christian but it also doesn't seem to be and I mean this in general, no one's business what my beliefs are in the everyday world or even here. If I call myself a Christian here and say the things I have said and asked, I would be tar and feathered.

I seen someone had a quote by Gandhi and it made me chuckle, something like, "I like your Christ, just not some of your Christians". That is what I stay away from. There is too much stereotyping that goes on with being a Christian. So I choose to have my beliefs but in all honesty, no matter how hard I try to stay away from churches, having my wife and children asking me to go, does make it hard not to.

Thanks and what is wrong with being in a heavy metal band? Just curious

 

[Eagle_Wings]

Before I start answering your questions, let me make something clear: my answers are based on MY viewpoints which result from my personal relationship with God.

I dislike seeing gross generalizations made about Christians, especially since I am a follower of Christ I tend to get lumped into these generalizations. Unfortunately there are as many "Christian" denominations as there are world religions, if not more, and most of these denominations have differing and even conflicting views. Therefore, I speak for myself and not for Christians as a whole.

1) Your looks don't make you any more or less a Christian than the paint on my car makes it a Toyota or BMW. [BTW~ it's neither, it's a spiffy silver/blue Saturn! ]

Nor does what you sing about and charge for your concerts make you any more or less a Christian. Personally, I don't mind paying for Christian concerts when I know the money goes towards helping the group to perform more concerts, therefore reaching more people. I do prefer groups who charge just what they need to meet costs.

However, we are told that a tree will be known by it's fruit. [Matthew 7:20~ "Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them."] A person's actions will flow out of their relationship with God and just as you would never want to do anything which would cause harm or disgrace to your wife, neither would someone with a personal relationship with God want to do anything which would hurt or disgrace Him. Therefore, regardless a person's looks, if they are promoting profanity, fornification, drugs, murder, disrespect, etc. and claim to follow God I would say their relationship needs help.

2) What does the "Christian" charity go towards? Does 100% of the money, of either charity, go into the field or only a portion while the rest goes to the orginization heading the charity? Regardless of labels, the motives and actions of the group would determine who gets my money.

3) "TruthinFiction," an intriguing screenname. Other then being an oxymoron I did not see it as referring to anything specific, Biblically, religiously, or otherwise. Since I am not into politics it didn't mean anything there either.

4) I've been thinking about this one all day and not really sure what you are driving at here. While I don't treat everyone the same, I guess you can say I treat everyone equal. A person's actions towards me will determine how I respond to them as opposed to their race, religion, color, social status, etc.

5) How am I not trying to help unbelievers? It is also a responsibility of believers to help keep their fellow believers accountable. [Luke 17:3~ "If your brother sins, rebuke him, and if he repents, forgive him."] Simply stated, you see your fellow believer slipping, you let him know about it- gracefully- and try to help him back up. There seems to be a vagueness to this question which makes me think there is an ulterier motive for asking it...like you are working up to a bigger question (same goes for questions 2 & 4). If this has anything to do with a previous comment about preachers in churches preaching to those already saved and thinking they are doing something great, then you misunderstand the purpose of church. Yes, the pastor is to teach about God and Jesus, so in that way the church is beneficial for the unbelievers, but church is also meant to teach, strengthen, and grow those who already believe. Church is also where we gather for fellowship and encouragement from our brothers and sisters, kind of like troops rallying around the flag during battles. True evangelism takes place, not in the church, but outside it in our day to day lives. My life witnesses to everybody that I come into contact with every single day. My actions...everybodies actions, scream louder then your best Pentecostal pastor who's all fired up in the middle of his best hell, fire, and brimstone sermon!

6) Yes and no...you've misunderstood something along the way and based on your question I would have to say that you've misunderstood what it takes to be a believer. It's really quite simple: believe in Jesus Christ, that's all there is to it! [Romans 10:9~ "That if you confess with your mouth, 'Jesus is Lord,' and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved."] Amazing how difficult we try to make it, isn't it? Like I stated earlier...everything else flows out of that relationship with Him which is simply started by believing. The thief believed and that is why he entered heaven...it was not based on his past actions...just as our actions will not determine where we will spend eternity, no matter how good they are.

7) The religious affiliation of the person asking questions has no bearing on how willing I am to enter into a discussion, however the sincerity of the person and the atmosphere of the discussion will determine my involvement in it.

8) I can't answer for Christians in general. I'm open to listening to whatever a person wants to say and am more then willing to discuss differing viewpoints. Everyone's entitled to be wrong if they so choose! No, seriously, I'm always open to a respectfull discussion as long as it keeps from turning into a finger-pointing bash fest.

Please do me a favor and stop lumping all Christians together in your posts. From the way you speak I get the feeling that were I to walk up to you on the street and somehow mention to you that I happen to be a Christian you would immediately apply your stereotype of a hypocritical, Bible thumpin', sinner bashin', holier than thou, etc. Christian to me. In all honesty, I find that extremely offensive and don't appreciate it at all. You might find more receptiveness and willingness for discussion from others if you clarify by saying "in general" or "Christians you've come across," etc. at the beginning of your posts.

Feel free to PM me if you would like to continue discussing things.

 

[dllewis1958]

I don't care for heavy metal..sorry..

I can understand you not wanting people to know your business..but God does say if we are ashamed of him he will be ashamed of us...

Do me a favor(no I take that back do it for your kids) ..just go to church with your wife and kids...sometimes we have to do things we don't want to do..but it's your kids that are asking you to do this...this is something that they will always remember throughout their life..that they asked and asked and asked you to go to church with them...

Take care and God Bless...

 

[TheTruthinFiction]

I don't care for heavy metal..sorry..

I can understand you not wanting people to know your business..but God does say if we are ashamed of him he will be ashamed of us...

Do me a favor(no I take that back do it for your kids) ..just go to church with your wife and kids...sometimes we have to do things we don't want to do..but it's your kids that are asking you to do this...this is something that they will always remember throughout their life..that they asked and asked and asked you to go to church with them...

Take care and God Bless...

10 minutes is all I have now. I'm not ashamed of God, I am ashamed of the way people act and stereotype.

You don't like heavy metal so you don't think a Christian should play it? Oh, now come on that was a little silly. Be serious there, don't you agree?

I have been to their church but did not go over well. You would have thought satan had walked in. The entire church just stopped and stared at me. Then when I sit, it sounded like a first grade class, whispers all around. When we were leaving, the preacher shook my hand but then asked if I could wear a long-sleeve to cover my tattoos, the next time and to quote Henry Rollins, "Next Time? What do you mean next time?". This happened on different degrees at 5 different churches. I hear there is one where the preacher is a farmer and that he accepts all, have every intention to go with my family and give it a shot.

I am a very respectful person so if the church will get past my outer appearance, it's not like I am ugly, HA but I do have 4 tattoos that are visible with a short-sleeve shirt on. Kidding aside, if he accepts me like I'm told he will, even heard that the Ghost Riders motorcycle gang goes there some and are accepted, in leather and spiked boots, then I will make it our Sunday from now on. If not, I will build my own church, call Jack Black to come and preach and have a good time, Ha. You all take it easy and relax a little.

 

[Brother_Justin]

I started a thread titled, "Any answers would help", it is closed for review right now. What I am going to do here is ask some questions that I think need to be asked. I have found that I need to be very direct and explain each part so that everyone will understand.

Before reading these, I am not a Christian in the way that many of you are. I DO believe in Jesus. I have problems with some of the practices of Christians. That is what I will bring up in this thread. These are direct questions and I would appreciate direct answers.

The purpose of me doing this is because of the way my other thread was locked. Call it the straw that broke the camel's back. I first thought not to say anything. Just let it be but then I remembered that there are as many like myself as there are people that are Christian. This was in many ways my original purpose for that locked thread because it was a question that needed to be asked.

I do want the moderators to read this as well and please do not remove this. Lock it, do whatever but see that this is not some angry at God post. My posts are meant to be taken as helpful and to make people think. If that is not the purpose of this forum then I will leave.

I am NOT looking for praise as was said on another question. What I am looking for is answers that could help someone who reads it. I do not have a Christian icon on my name because I am not a practicing Christian BUT that does not mean I don't believe.

Let me throw this in because it makes it a little more interesting from what I have seen so far. I'm a lead singer in a heavy metal band and have tattoos, shaved head. Having said that, my first question is would I be any more of a Christian if I was in a contemporary Christian band, a head full of hair (Mother Nature hasn't helped me there) and no tattoos? If I sang about Jesus but charged for people to hear me? To me that alone should take away from the purpose of their music, because it should be a free message not a 35 dollar ticket.

Next question

If you see two charities, one a Christian, one for homeless children, which do you help?

Next question

How many of you seen my screenname and all of a sudden thought I was talking about the Bible or something to do with Christians? I have a feeling that is the case. So an explanation, my name is a political based name nothing to do with religion.

Next question

It is in the Bible that we are created in the image of God. Wouldn't this make you want to help everyone, non-believers included? All men are created equal but the question is, do you treat everyone equal?

Next question

A continuation of the last question. In theory, you couldn't help a believer since they already believe so it would look to me to be the non-believer that you should be trying to help. Agreed?

Next question

When Jesus was crucified, one of the other men who was also crucified also, said that he believed in Jesus. Jesus told this man he would be with him in paradise, despite his sins. This to me and my comprehension was a man who was never a believer and done things that were not good. My purpose of this question is that I have always said I am a believer, just not a Christian by practice. My question is, did I misunderstand this part?

Next question (just a few more, promise)

If a preacher asked you these questions would you be more interested in answering them than answering them for me?

Why do Christians, in general, not all. Not what to hear an outside opinion? One they may be a little different than theirs but nonetheless as important? Was this not the very reason that Jesus was persecuted, for having different beliefs? Before you answer by saying that Jesus was placed here to give his life for our sins, please understand that I know that. I am asking if the problem others had with him is because they thought he talked nonsense because he was saying something they didn't agree with?

I am finished now. What I do want to say is that if you do not think these questions are important it is because you have not asked non-believers. I have dozens more of these questions. These questions are not for debate. I am asking your opinions and will not debate your answers. I'm analytical, yes I know that Christianity is a belief that is based on having faith that it is the right way, the only way but you have to understand that the posts I have left so far have done nothing but make me question Christians and what they feel their purpose is.

Thank you

1. I have peircings does that make me any less a Christian? Nope it doesn't. What is on your body doesnt make you unclean it is what comes out of your mouth that makes you unclean Jesus made that clear. There is no "look" Christians should have to have. The world loves to make it seem that way though.

2. I help either. Charity is charity. Being called to poverty outreach and ministry I would probly donate to the homeless charity, but I would certainly give both the same time of day.

3. I didnt even take a second look at your screen name. I did take a look at your religion icon, but that didn't change how I approached your thread.

4 & 5. First and formost let me make it clear that I believe Jesus's words to be true 100% thus I am bound to believe that it is through faith alone

Rom 9:32 Wherefore? Because [they sought it] not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:

Rom 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:


So I would say that it is my duty to make sure that my brothers in Christ are ok in their walk of faith with Christ. It is also my duty to try and bringing more people to the faith that is Jesus Christ.

6. The man believed in Jesus and so through his faith Jesus promises this man everlasting life in the Kingdom of God. I think you got this part right. I think this is a great show of how it isn't by works or by 10000000 prayers we say in our life that we are saved it is by the belief in Jesus Christ as the Son of God who walked the earth, was killed, and rose again are we saved!!!

7. This is a great question. I wouldnt be more prone to listen if you where a pastor or not. It really is sad that so many Christians have become prone to not listening to other people. We have come under this mantality that we are right and we dont care what other people think. Personaly Im a devoted Christian locked in my faith and believing in Jesus Christ. BUT I give people the time of day to state their opinions and their beliefs. Closed mindedness doesnt = better christian and unfortuanetly your right that is how it seems lately.

I hope these answers help you out some. God bless you!!!



Love brother ~Justin~

 

[dllewis1958]

Ok fair enough. I really don't know that much about heavy metal music..So I shouldn't judge it..Please forgive me..

If people at the church are judging you by your outward appearance then that's not the church for you. We went to several churches until we found the right one for us. There must be love in the church. Our church is very small. Probably 30 people tops on a good Sunday..lol but I prefer a smaller church. Definitely try the one with the farmer preacher..lol You have to be comfortable at a church to be able to get into the service. Plus remember people are weird..sometimes it just takes time to get to know a person. So don't be frightened off by people looking at you..hey maybe they just think your cute..lol

I don't remember did you mention what religion? I am pentecostal..holy rollers some people call us..which cracks me up..I've been pentecostal all my life and I have never seen anyone roll...sure we sometimes get slain in the spirit but we don't roll around.

I don't think that I told you but my husband plays bass guitar and accoustic guitar and sings..My youngest son picked up a guitar one day for the first time and just started playing it..now DON'T LAUGH.but when I was younger..much younger..lol I played drums..our church has a drum set and the guy that plays them now..well let's just say he has no rythm at all....so I was thinking about taking a refresher lesson..yes at my age. I mentioned this to the guy at the music store that we go to very often and he asked if I was going through some middle age crisis..geezzz I felt like slapping him..My husband said when I am ready he will buy me an electric drum set....I prefer them over accoustic especially in church because you can adjust the volume. Accoustic just are a bit loud in our church because it's so small. I also sing in church..and play tamborene...Our church is very into music..matter of fact I think some Sunday we get a little carried away with our music portion..

Hey it's been nice chatting with you today. I am anxious to hear that you tried out that church..I'll be praying that it all goes well...

 

[dhiannian]

I started a thread titled, "Any answers would help", it is closed for review right now. What I am going to do here is ask some questions that I think need to be asked. I have found that I need to be very direct and explain each part so that everyone will understand.

Before reading these, I am not a Christian in the way that many of you are. I DO believe in Jesus. I have problems with some of the practices of Christians. That is what I will bring up in this thread. These are direct questions and I would appreciate direct answers.

The purpose of me doing this is because of the way my other thread was locked. Call it the straw that broke the camel's back. I first thought not to say anything. Just let it be but then I remembered that there are as many like myself as there are people that are Christian. This was in many ways my original purpose for that locked thread because it was a question that needed to be asked.

I do want the moderators to read this as well and please do not remove this. Lock it, do whatever but see that this is not some angry at God post. My posts are meant to be taken as helpful and to make people think. If that is not the purpose of this forum then I will leave.

I am NOT looking for praise as was said on another question. What I am looking for is answers that could help someone who reads it. I do not have a Christian icon on my name because I am not a practicing Christian BUT that does not mean I don't believe.

Let me throw this in because it makes it a little more interesting from what I have seen so far. I'm a lead singer in a heavy metal band and have tattoos, shaved head. Having said that, my first question is would I be any more of a Christian if I was in a contemporary Christian band, a head full of hair (Mother Nature hasn't helped me there) and no tattoos? If I sang about Jesus but charged for people to hear me? To me that alone should take away from the purpose of their music, because it should be a free message not a 35 dollar ticket.

Next question

If you see two charities, one a Christian, one for homeless children, which do you help?

Next question

How many of you seen my screenname and all of a sudden thought I was talking about the Bible or something to do with Christians? I have a feeling that is the case. So an explanation, my name is a political based name nothing to do with religion.

Next question

It is in the Bible that we are created in the image of God. Wouldn't this make you want to help everyone, non-believers included? All men are created equal but the question is, do you treat everyone equal?

Next question

A continuation of the last question. In theory, you couldn't help a believer since they already believe so it would look to me to be the non-believer that you should be trying to help. Agreed?

Next question

When Jesus was crucified, one of the other men who was also crucified also, said that he believed in Jesus. Jesus told this man he would be with him in paradise, despite his sins. This to me and my comprehension was a man who was never a believer and done things that were not good. My purpose of this question is that I have always said I am a believer, just not a Christian by practice. My question is, did I misunderstand this part?

Next question (just a few more, promise)

If a preacher asked you these questions would you be more interested in answering them than answering them for me?

Why do Christians, in general, not all. Not what to hear an outside opinion? One they may be a little different than theirs but nonetheless as important? Was this not the very reason that Jesus was persecuted, for having different beliefs? Before you answer by saying that Jesus was placed here to give his life for our sins, please understand that I know that. I am asking if the problem others had with him is because they thought he talked nonsense because he was saying something they didn't agree with?

I am finished now. What I do want to say is that if you do not think these questions are important it is because you have not asked non-believers. I have dozens more of these questions. These questions are not for debate. I am asking your opinions and will not debate your answers. I'm analytical, yes I know that Christianity is a belief that is based on having faith that it is the right way, the only way but you have to understand that the posts I have left so far have done nothing but make me question Christians and what they feel their purpose is.

Thank you

First of all I hafta say most of the "contemporary christian" bands are not actually playing christian music, I mean sure they say Jesus or God once in a while, but they do not have Christ in their music, The reason for this is simple,
Music that is praising God, and Godly is not really a best selling style.
So they figured, Hey lets make a wordly song and say Jesus a few times, them we can get a lot more listeners!.
They are in it for the money, Or maybe some of them feel they are doing the work of God.
Next
I don't know that I'd help either one, because the church is a charity of sorts, and I tithe, and that goes to help people who show up in need, and our church.
I'd rather not give money to an organization that I do not know all the details about.
Next
I didn't take a second glance at your screen name, until u asked, and no I wouldn't think it was a religious name.
Next
In the image does not mean with the same mind and personality, we all have our own thoughts.
We were created in the image & likeness of God,
This means we have 3 parts (Body, soul, and spirit) and God must have our (Adams) Physical form.
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And I know I don't treat everyone equal, because everyone (in a way) are not equal.
When a person becomes a Christian, they become an alien to this world, a pilgrim just passing through.
What would matter a lot to an wordly person, won't matter in the same way to a Godly one.
Next
Satan is a believer (James 2:19)
Just because someone believes there is a God does not make them God's child, The bible tells us how we can have our name in the book of life, and inherit life eternal.
If we do not do this, our name will be blotted out.
Next
The thief on the cross, repented of his sins and claimed Jesus as his personal savior. He became a christian.
Next
Not really, I couldnt imagine my preacher asking these questions though.
Next
It's not that they don't want to hear an outside opinion so much as they can't
In many of the "christian" religions today they are taught not to listen to anything that may sway them away from their "truth" for obvious reasons.
As for Christians, Let me ask you 1 question.
If I showed you a red crayon, then took it away and told you it was black, would you listen to my reasons that it's black, when you know for yourself that it is without a doubt a RED crayon? And if you listened, would you put any trust in the red crayon actually being black?
Probably not, that's because once you know the truth, you grab on to it with both hands, and knowing and being so sure of and strong in your belief, you can't sit by while lies are being spread, you have to fight the good fight.
And uphold God's word.

Jesus was persecuted for speaking the truth, and the truth is an upsetting topic for satan.
For every Christian that witnesses to one soul, that could be one less soul satan gets to claim, and he don't appreciate that at all.

 

[TheTruthinFiction]

Brother Justin, great post thanks. I am using a different color because I want to respond to each of your answers.

1. I have peircings does that make me any less a Christian? Nope it doesn't. What is on your body doesnt make you unclean it is what comes out of your mouth that makes you unclean Jesus made that clear. There is no "look" Christians should have to have. The world loves to make it seem that way though. This was my point for asking the question because of the way that I have been looked at for the way I look. Great answer

2. I help either. Charity is charity. Being called to poverty outreach and ministry I would probly donate to the homeless charity, but I would certainly give both the same time of day. I think I messed up on this question wasn't specific enough. My point with it, is that most Christians seperate themselves from others to help a Christian before someone who is not Christian.

3. I didnt even take a second look at your screen name. I did take a look at your religion icon, but that didn't change how I approached your thread. This comes from experience on here so far. Having my screenname brought up a few times and having my icon brought up.

4 & 5. First and formost let me make it clear that I believe Jesus's words to be true 100% thus I am bound to believe that it is through faith alone

Rom 9:32 Wherefore? Because [they sought it] not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:

Rom 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:


So I would say that it is my duty to make sure that my brothers in Christ are ok in their walk of faith with Christ. It is also my duty to try and bringing more people to the faith that is Jesus Christ. This last sentence was what I was looking for. Thank you perfect answer.

6. The man believed in Jesus and so through his faith Jesus promises this man everlasting life in the Kingdom of God. I think you got this part right. I think this is a great show of how it isn't by works or by 10000000 prayers we say in our life that we are saved it is by the belief in Jesus Christ as the Son of God who walked the earth, was killed, and rose again are we saved!!! This was my favorite answer of the post. The point I was making was that whether I am as active in church or not, I am still a believer. Which is similar to what you said with the 100000000 prayers. Great answer

7. This is a great question. I wouldnt be more prone to listen if you where a pastor or not. It really is sad that so many Christians have become prone to not listening to other people. We have come under this mantality that we are right and we dont care what other people think. Personaly Im a devoted Christian locked in my faith and believing in Jesus Christ. BUT I give people the time of day to state their opinions and their beliefs. Closed mindedness doesnt = better christian and unfortuanetly your right that is how it seems lately. Thank you for saying a great question. It has been said already that this is a silly question but I think it is very important because I continue to see seperation based on denomination. Too many people are not helping or even listening unless you say exactly what they want to hear. Thanks

I hope these answers help you out some. God bless you!!!
These answers helped very much Justin, thank you.


Love brother ~Justin~

 

[Radagast]

...The song is about addictions and realizing they had problems with drugs. The song you quoted was a parody because so many people said Sabbath were Satanists, but again not by Black Sabbath, instead Type O Negative...

I stand corrected!

I wasn't going to judge "Black Sabbath" until I hunted up their lyrics, but apparently I was misled.

Sorry again.

-- Radagast

 

[TheTruthinFiction]

I stand corrected!

I wasn't going to judge "Black Sabbath" until I hunted up their lyrics, but apparently I was misled.

Sorry again.

-- Radagast

No problem Radagast, I really wish people would have gave them a chance in their heyday, I think they could have been a very positive influence on teenagers. I even missed that time, I wasn't even born when they started. I heard them when I was 7 in 1981, they had already broke up the original band, Ozzy went solo and they lost their overall sound without him. Really got into them when I was 14 or 15 because I wanted to be different and listen to an, "evil" band then realized myself their lyrics were very positive but continued listening to them. By the way, Radagast, thanks for being humble, it is appreciated. I can't find the other book you suggested but will the next time I am at a bookstore. Thanks for your posts

 

[TheTruthinFiction]

Ok fair enough. I really don't know that much about heavy metal music..So I shouldn't judge it..Please forgive me..

If people at the church are judging you by your outward appearance then that's not the church for you. We went to several churches until we found the right one for us. There must be love in the church. Our church is very small. Probably 30 people tops on a good Sunday..lol but I prefer a smaller church. Definitely try the one with the farmer preacher..lol You have to be comfortable at a church to be able to get into the service. Plus remember people are weird..sometimes it just takes time to get to know a person. So don't be frightened off by people looking at you..hey maybe they just think your cute..lol

I don't remember did you mention what religion? I am pentecostal..holy rollers some people call us..which cracks me up..I've been pentecostal all my life and I have never seen anyone roll...sure we sometimes get slain in the spirit but we don't roll around.

I don't think that I told you but my husband plays bass guitar and accoustic guitar and sings..My youngest son picked up a guitar one day for the first time and just started playing it..now DON'T LAUGH.but when I was younger..much younger..lol I played drums..our church has a drum set and the guy that plays them now..well let's just say he has no rythm at all....so I was thinking about taking a refresher lesson..yes at my age. I mentioned this to the guy at the music store that we go to very often and he asked if I was going through some middle age crisis..geezzz I felt like slapping him..My husband said when I am ready he will buy me an electric drum set....I prefer them over accoustic especially in church because you can adjust the volume. Accoustic just are a bit loud in our church because it's so small. I also sing in church..and play tamborene...Our church is very into music..matter of fact I think some Sunday we get a little carried away with our music portion..

Hey it's been nice chatting with you today. I am anxious to hear that you tried out that church..I'll be praying that it all goes well...

Hey thanks again, don't worry about the part about heavy metal. Most people don't understand it.

The church is a Baptist, we are in the south so it's mostly Baptist. "Holy Rollers", ha, believe it or not, I once went to a "Holy Roller" revival that involved snake handling, I was maybe 6 or 7 years old and did see a few people get the ghost in them, excuse me if I said that wrong but that is how I remember someone describing it.

Musically speaking, I am a drummer before anything. To me drums are the most important part of any music, except blues, where the guitar is the most important. They set the tone. I started playing when I was 12. Didn't ever play in high school band, instead played football and baseball but always went home to my drums. Drummer without rhythm, hmm, that would be a major problem. My favorite drummer is Neil Peart of Rush, they are not as heavy as the others I have talked about, very positive lyrics. If you ever get the chance listen to them sometime and listen to Peart play the drums, really incredible. I can play a little guitar, not much, a little bass, not much though. Just enough to set a tone for a song. Does your husband listen to Eric Clapton? Just wondered since you said acoustic guitar, I'm a huge Clapton fan. Never too old to play any instrument, give it another shot! This newest album is my debut as vocalist and it's going pretty good. I don't have much harmony though. Kind of like Johnny Cash singing heavy metal, ha, big Johnny Cash fan too.

I would like for a church to get a little carried away. That is one thing that I felt like was lacking at the churches I have been to lately. Not enough emotion, I want the preacher to raise his voice, you know get excited. The churches I have been to lately, everyone just sits there. Every now and then, you hear an amen but only if you are listening. I want someone to jump up and yell it. Maybe I am wrong in that feeling but can't help it.

We are going to this church I was talking about on Sunday. I talked with the preacher and he told me, "come as you are son". Just blunt and straight with me. On average, he said they have around 75 but sometimes go up to 100. He also told me that they were having dinner afterwards if we wanted to stay and have fellowship with them. It felt really good hearing this.

I haven't slept in 32 hours, not a real good sleeper, high-strung is what we call it in the south. Thank you for the prayers and I will tell how it goes.

Thanks

 

[Blessed-one]

Having said that, my first question is would I be any more of a Christian if I was in a contemporary Christian band, a head full of hair (Mother Nature hasn't helped me there) and no tattoos? If I sang about Jesus but charged for people to hear me? To me that alone should take away from the purpose of their music, because it should be a free message not a 35 dollar ticket.

I would say 'no'. Even christians need money to support themselves. What's the difference with charging for tickets and charging for selling christian books and groceries?


If you see two charities, one a Christian, one for homeless children, which do you help?

If i only have enough money for one organisation, I'd go with whichever one i feel like donating to. It doesn't necessarily have to be a christian organization.

How many of you seen my screenname and all of a sudden thought I was talking about the Bible or something to do with Christians? I have a feeling that is the case. So an explanation, my name is a political based name nothing to do with religion.

to be honest, the word 'truth' does trigger a certain response.
but 'fiction' has the opposite effect, hence i'm not surprised after seeing your icon.

It is in the Bible that we are created in the image of God. Wouldn't this make you want to help everyone, non-believers included? All men are created equal but the question is, do you treat everyone equal?

of course people don't treat everyone equal. It's easier to treat your friends better than your family for some people, easier to treat those you trust better than those you think are going to harm you. It doesn't just set in a christian - christian treatment. You're generalising and simplifying things a tad too much i reckon.

but we strive to treat everyone with christ-like love.

A continuation of the last question. In theory, you couldn't help a believer since they already believe so it would look to me to be the non-believer that you should be trying to help. Agreed?

what kind of help do you mean? being a christian is difficult too. You can help a fellow christian just as much as helping a non-believer.

When Jesus was crucified, one of the other men who was also crucified also, said that he believed in Jesus. Jesus told this man he would be with him in paradise, despite his sins. This to me and my comprehension was a man who was never a believer and done things that were not good. My purpose of this question is that I have always said I am a believer, just not a Christian by practice. My question is, did I misunderstand this part?

well, what a tricky question you've thrown out here. Remember that the thief on the cross was about to die. He didn't have any more time to do christ-like practice. You can't compare him with your situation since the only option he was left with was faith and repentence.

In essence, true repentence comes with a change of habit. Shredding the old for the new.

If

a preacher asked you these questions would you be more interested in answering them than answering them for me?

what has a preacher got to do with it? I wouldn't be answering you right now if i'm not interested. In fact, i'm starving and should be cooking dinner...

I am finished now. What I do want to say is that if you do not think these questions are important it is because you have not asked non-believers. I have dozens more of these questions. These questions are not for debate. I am asking your opinions and will not debate your answers. I'm analytical, yes I know that Christianity is a belief that is based on having faith that it is the right way, the only way but you have to understand that the posts I have left so far have done nothing but make me question Christians and what they feel their purpose is.

um, i suppose all questions are important to the one who asks them. In my honest opinion, it feels like you're twisting the facts to make a question difficult to answer (i apologize if i sound offensive!) which probably is kind of essential to bring out the point you're trying to make. I guess i just haven't met a non-believer like you before then..

 

[reformedfan]

Unbelievable.

You posted a series of questions in the section, "questions by non Christians", & you end up having to fend off attacks, defend your screen name, explain your appearance, etc?

Wow, I'm embarrassed