Questions Wanted RE: Tattoos, Piercings, etc.

[RETS]

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Hello, folks! It's been awhile since I was last on this forum; that said, I am hopeful that everyone here are still as willing to lend a helpful hand as I recall.

As part of my position with UnCommon Christianity Ministries, I host a weekly podcast. Tomorrow we'll be talking about tattoos, piercings and general body modification with a couple of Christians who own and operate a tattoo shop.

I'd like to get questions from everyone- Is there something you've always wanted answered? An argument that you've never had a good response to? Give me what you got, and I'll be happy to bring them up on air. Let me know if you'd like to remain anon, or have your Screen Name used.

If you'd like to hear the answers for yourselves, let me know and I'll be happy to either PM you or post it.

Here's the promo graphic being used for the sake of reference.

 

[faroukfarouk]

Hello, folks! It's been awhile since I was last on this forum; that said, I am hopeful that everyone here are still as willing to lend a helpful hand as I recall.

As part of my position with UnCommon Christianity Ministries, I host a weekly podcast. Tomorrow we'll be talking about tattoos, piercings and general body modification with a couple of Christians who own and operate a tattoo shop.

I'd like to get questions from everyone- Is there something you've always wanted answered? An argument that you've never had a good response to? Give me what you got, and I'll be happy to bring them up on air. Let me know if you'd like to remain anon, or have your Screen Name used.

If you'd like to hear the answers for yourselves, let me know and I'll be happy to either PM you or post it.

Here's the promo graphic being used for the sake of reference.

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Interesting; a lot of Christians do get faith based tattoo designs that are proven effective in witness conversations.

 

[faroukfarouk]

If you'd like to hear the answers for yourselves, let me know and I'll be happy to either PM you or post it.

PS: I'm sure how piercings can be so specifically faith based, though...

 

[RETS]

PS: I'm sure how piercings can be so specifically faith based, though...

Could you explain what you mean?

 

[Dkh587]

Don't really have any questions, but make sure you recite the command given by the Father to not tattoo our skin

Leviticus 19:28

“Do not cut your bodies for the dead, and do not mark your skin with tattoos. I am YHWH.” - NLT

 

[ViaCrucis]

Don't really have any questions, but make sure you recite the command given by the Father to not tattoo our skin

Leviticus 19:28

“Do not cut your bodies for the dead, and do not mark your skin with tattoos. I am YHWH.” - NLT

Don't forget verse 27.

"Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard."

Remember, no beard trimming or tattoos. It's God's command.

Or...ya know...we're Christians and not Jews, and the Torah was given exclusively to the Jews.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Dkh587]

Don't forget verse 27.

"Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard."

Remember, no beard trimming or tattoos. It's God's command.

Or...ya know...we're Christians and not Jews, and the Torah was given exclusively to the Jews.

-CryptoLutheran

If Torah was given exclusively to Jews, then you would agree that it's okay for Christians to have sex with animals, correct?


In context, the command to not tattoo, shave the beard and cut marks into the skin was regarding mourning for the dead.

There are times in the Scripture where God commanded people to shave their beards, so we can see that the beard shaving was in relation to specific mourning rituals. However, we don't see any commands to tattoo or mark the skin any other time, so we can correctly conclude that we should not mark our skin for any reason

If you don't want to obey the Father's commands to not tattoo the skin, that's between you and the Father

 

[faroukfarouk]

PS: I'm sure how piercings can be so specifically faith based, though...

I think you were talking generally about Christian ministries; while I can understand how tattoo designs can be faith based, I'm not sure how a piercing (a piercing is a piercing) is specifically Christian, anyway, not that I necessarily have a problem with them.

 

[faroukfarouk]

Don't really have any questions, but make sure you recite the command given by the Father to not tattoo our skin

Leviticus 19:28

“Do not cut your bodies for the dead, and do not mark your skin with tattoos. I am YHWH.” - NLT

The previous verse says about not trimming the corner of one's beard. Do preachers shave?
If preachers shave, maybe they are backhandedly admitting that the church is not in the land under the law as the Old Testament Jews were.

 

[Dkh587]

The previous verse says about not trimming the corner of one's beard. Do preachers shave?
If preachers shave, maybe they are backhandedly admitting that the church is not in the land under the law as the Old Testament Jews were.

the verses before that told Israel to not practice magic or divination. Are we allowed to practice magic and divination?

 

[ViaCrucis]

If Torah was given exclusively to Jews, then you would agree that it's okay for Christians to have sex with animals, correct?

Nope. I would not agree with that.

If you don't want to obey the Father's commands to not tattoo the skin, that's between you and the Father

I don't believe in making Christians pretend to be Jews when Scripture is absolutely clear that Torah was given exclusively to the children of Israel as part of the covenant God made with them at Mt. Sinai and that, in Christ, we have a new and different covenant which that former covenant pointed to.

My religion is Christianity. If I wanted to practice Judaism I would convert to Judaism.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[ViaCrucis]

the verses before that told Israel to not practice magic or divination. Are we allowed to practice magic and divination?

Out of curiosity, when was the last time you brought an offering to a verified kohen of Aaron's lineage? And it was without blemish, correct?

-CryptoLuthearn

 

[Dkh587]

Nope. I would not agree with that.



I don't believe in making Christians pretend to be Jews when Scripture is absolutely clear that Torah was given exclusively to the children of Israel as part of the covenant God made with them at Mt. Sinai and that, in Christ, we have a new and different covenant which that former covenant pointed to.

My religion is Christianity. If I wanted to practice Judaism I would convert to Judaism.

-CryptoLutheran

Obeying the Father's commands is not pretending to be a Jew. Not getting tattoos is not pretending to be a Jew

If God says do not mark your skin, we shouldn't mark our skin. He says don't have sex with animals, so we should not have sex with animals, just like we shouldn't practice magic, perform child sacrifices, steal, kill, commit homosexuality/fornication etc

If God says don't cut/shave/destroy your beard for the dead as part of a ritual, then we should not cut/shave/destroy our beard for the dead. He didn't say "don't shave your beard or heard under any circumstances"

anyways, don't we have enough we can do to be a witness for Christ without having to mark our skin with ink? Even if it's for a verse of scripture?

We have what's called a mouth, and the ability to help and love others, and show the love of Christ in our lives to others

If tattoos "help us witness", then maybe we aren't really witnessing at all. Our life & love for God & our neighbors should be all the witness that we need!

There are bracelets people can wear. You can also buy necklaces, and t shirts to help spark conversation without having to mark your skin

Out of curiosity, when was the last time you brought an offering to a verified kohen of Aaron's lineage? And it was without blemish, correct?

-CryptoLuthearn

Never, because there's not a physical temple to take offerings to, but I will gladly take an offering when it's rebuilt

BTW, there will be animal sacrifices and offerings during the Millenial kingdom, according to the book of Ezekiel

 

[tturt]

Wonder why some who are against tattoos have pierced ears.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Obeying the Father's commands is not pretending to be a Jew. Not getting tattoos is not pretending to be a Jew

Observing Torah when one is not Jewish is pretending to be a Jew.

If God says do not mark your skin, we shouldn't mark our skin. He says don't have sex with animals, so we should not have sex with animals, just like we shouldn't practice magic, perform child sacrifices, steal, kill, commit homosexuality/fornication etc

If God says don't cut/shave/destroy your beard for the dead as part of a ritual, then we should not cut/shave/destroy our beard for the dead. He didn't say "don't shave your beard or heard under any circumstances"

Leviticus 19:27-28:

"You shall not round off the hair on your temples or mar the edges of your beard. You shall not make any gashes in your flesh for the dead or tattoo any marks upon you: I am the Lord."

You seem to have missed that it's not shaving for the dead, but cutting one's flesh for the dead that is mentioned. The command not to round off the hair or shave the edges of the beard has nothing to do with the dead. This is, by the way, the reason why Orthodox Jewish men have locks and long beards.

Never, because there's not a physical temple to take offerings to, but I will gladly take an offering when it's rebuilt

Even though the only Temple of significance is the resurrected body of Jesus Christ and, by extension, His Church?

BTW, there will be animal sacrifices and offerings during the Millenial kingdom, according to the book of Ezekiel

I'm familiar with that belief. Since I'm not a Premillennial Dispensationalist it's not a belief which I share.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[ViaCrucis]

Wonder why some who are against tattoos have pierced ears.

I'm more interested in why those who are against tattoos are okay with not observing the other 612 mitzvot.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Dkh587]

Observing Torah when one is not Jewish is pretending to be a Jew.



Leviticus 19:27-28:

"You shall not round off the hair on your temples or mar the edges of your beard. You shall not make any gashes in your flesh for the dead or tattoo any marks upon you: I am the Lord."

You seem to have missed that it's not shaving for the dead, but cutting one's flesh for the dead that is mentioned. The command not to round off the hair or shave the edges of the beard has nothing to do with the dead. This is, by the way, the reason why Orthodox Jewish men have locks and long beards.



Even though the only Temple of significance is the resurrected body of Jesus Christ and, by extension, His Church?



I'm familiar with that belief. Since I'm not a Premillennial Dispensationalist it's not a belief which I share.

-CryptoLutheran

If obeying the Father's commands is pretending to be a Jew, then you yourself are pretending to be a Jew by respecting your parents, loving your neighbor not lying, stealing, killing, having sex with animals, performing child sacrifices etc

Remember, God gave those commands to Israel. He didn't give them to any other nation. So, if you keep those commands, you are pretending to be a Jew(by your reasoning)

if you're not a pretend Jew, one who keeps his commands(according to you), then you are, according to the scriptures, a worker of iniquity, or lawlessness. So, you either keep the commands, and are a pretend Jew, or you don't keep his commands, and are a worker of lawlessness. Jesus will cast the workers of iniquity into hell, just in case you forgot.

Are you a pretend Jew? Or a worker of lawlessness?

 

[Greg J.]

In response to the original post, the first part of Leviticus 19:28 (as well as verse 27) seems to associate the issue with an idolatrous ritualistic act. Therefore,

Accept him whose faith is weak, without passing judgment on disputable matters.One man’s faith allows him to eat everything, but another man, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables.The man who eats everything must not look down on him who does not, and the man who does not eat everything must not condemn the man who does, for God has accepted him. Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand. (Romans 14:1-4, 1984 NIV)

You, then, why do you judge your brother? Or why do you look down on your brother? For we will all stand before God’s judgment seat. (Romans 14:10, 1984 NIV)

You who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace. (Galatians 5:4, 1984 NIV)

 

[farout]

Don't really have any questions, but make sure you recite the command given by the Father to not tattoo our skin

Leviticus 19:28

“Do not cut your bodies for the dead, and do not mark your skin with tattoos. I am YHWH.” - NLT

You made a great point! Thank you!

 

[farout]

Wonder why some who are against tattoos have pierced ears.

Do you see a female of any age with ear rings as the same as a tat?