questions for evolutionist that they can't answer

[HasturX]

It's not off-topic.

Please don't tell me we have some inbred desire to procreate and protect our young, when in reality many of them are being killed in the name of 'non-viability' before they even have a chance to see the world.

What animal does that?

Alot of animals do that.

Wild Animals: Animals that kill their young, squirrel, group survival

 

[AV1611VET]

Alot of animals do that.

Wild Animals: Animals that kill their young, squirrel, group survival

Animals that kill their young after they are born are exempt from my point.

At least they have a chance to run.

 

[JustMeSee]

It's not off-topic.

Please don't tell me we have some inbred desire to procreate and protect our young, when in reality many of them are being killed in the name of 'non-viability' before they even have a chance to see the world.

What animal does that?

I don't think that any other animals have the ability to kill their fetuses. Humans are different in some ways due to our advanced technology and in my opinion, the fact that we have hands.

Some male animals do kill the young of their competitors. All animals don't have all of the same habits, but you know this.

 

[SithDoughnut]

Animals that kill their young after they are born are exempt from my point.

At least they have a chance to run.

Other animals cannot perform abortions because they don't have the technology nor the knowledge to do it. It's a pretty obvious answer.

 

[Naraoia]

I didn't want my first thread to be like this, but I've seen some others like it so I thought I would start one.

I've changed a lot of peoples minds on this, so I found it necessary.

1 - What would be the purpose of a half wing?

Well, it could have a number of them. If by "half a wing" you don't mean a wing that's been chopped in half, that is.

For example, courtship display, manoeuvring while running, jumping/gliding aid, blanket or sunshade for eggs... I think all of those are functions that still exist in modern birds, flying or flightless.

2 - What evidence do you have for the TRex being a meat eater? Don't say because of it's teeth.

We've heard enough of coprolites and fruit bats, so I'd like to address this instead:

This is like finding the bones of a tall man and assuming he was a basketball player!

Not at all. For one thing, being a basketball player is a choice humans are relatively free to make or not make. An animal's diet is not like that. Your whole body - the cutting, grinding etc. mechanics of your teeth, the way your digestive tract is built, the content of your digestive juices, your metabolism, the microbes that live in your intestines, everything is adapted to a particular kind of diet (ours happens to be fairly broad, but that's not always the case).

A tall man could choose many professions, and we see them do so every day. Most tall men are not basketball players. On the other hand, most animals with teeth that are even remotely similar to those of T. rex (such as Komodo dragons) are carnivores.

3 - If humans are animals, why don't we act like it?

In what ways do we not act like animals?

4 - If the appendix is 'vestigial', why is it part of the digestive system?

Because it used to be. If it had disappeared, we'd not call it vestigial, we'd call it absent...

5 - If we share a common ancestor with apes, how do they have two more chromosomes than we do. YES WE DO! Look it up yourselves. I've never gotten ANY explanation for this.

Then you must have lived under a rock in the last few years, because chromosome 2 has been all over the internet.

The answer is chromosome fusion. Cells have ways of repairing broken DNA, but they are not perfect. Sometimes, things that are not broken - such as separate chromosomes - could get stuck together by accident. The fusion of two complete chromosomes need not have any ill effects - the content of both chromosomes is still the same, they can pair up with their unfused counterparts; in other words, they can still function.

What is the evidence that this really happened with apes? Well, human chromosome 2 looks exactly like two chimp chromosomes joined head to tail.

A chromosome has three main parts. At each end, there is a region called a telomere, which doesn't contain any genes. Its role is to protect the valuable stuff from eroding away (due to an imperfection of DNA replication, our chromosomes are shortened every time they are copied). In the middle (or sometimes closer to one end) is the centromere, which serves as an attachment point for the protein threads that pull chromosomes apart during cell division. Between telomere and centromere are the genes, regulatory sequences - the actual information content of the chromosome.

Now, a normal chromosome has a single centromere and a telomere at each end. Both of these features are readily recognisable by their location and their DNA sequence.

Human chromosome 2 has two centromeres. Only one of them is functional, but the other can still be recognised. There are also remnants of telomeres in the middle of the chromosome, where they have no place. What's more, the sequences between telomeres and centromeres line up beautifully with two ape chromosomes.

6 - ALL dead organisms leave behind dead bodies.

And what do the vast majority of dead bodies do? Rot and get eaten.

So why do evolutionist claim that we only have like 100 transitional forms?

They don't... we have a lot more than that, I'm sure. If I put my mind to it, I could probably dig you up more than a hundred just from the small areas of vertebrate palaeontology I'm most familiar with.

7 - Why don't Monkey's have babies today?

Um, they do?

8 - Why have so many humans claimed to have seen dinosaurs in the congo and Lockness?

Because humans often see things they want to see, not things that are really there.

But do tell me, how would a late-surviving (non-avian) dinosaur or a Loch Ness (learn to spell, please) monster contradict evolution?

I can't wait to see some of the struggling responses to this.

Sorry to disappoint you.

It's not off-topic.

Please don't tell me we have some inbred desire to procreate and protect our young, when in reality many of them are being killed in the name of 'non-viability' before they even have a chance to see the world.

What animal does that?

Quite a lot of them, from what I know, but it seems I've been beaten to the pleasure of telling you that

 

[JustMeSee]

Have all of the questions from the OP been thoroughly answered/debunked?

 

[metherion]

Animals that kill their young after they are born are exempt from my point.

How about if they're still in their eggs? Some hens eat their own eggs for a variety of reasons, poor guys haven't even hatched yet.

How to Keep Chickens from Eating Their Own Eggs - wikiHow

And while I don't have a source, I believe there's a bird called the Jacana where the females sometimes smash their own eggs.

Or how about fish?

SpringerLink - Journal Article
"Filial Cannibalism in the Paternal Mouthbrooding Cardinalfish Apogon lineatus: Egg Production by the Female as the Nutrition Source for the Mouthbrooding Male"
^^^ that is an article about a species of fish where the eggs are carried in the mouth of the male... and it eats some of them. Instead of letting them hatch.

Now I wait for the goalposts to shift.

Metherion

ETA: Also found one on insects, in this case the assassin bug.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...serid=10&md5=5d3e564965671f210af67039002dc436
From the abstract:

We investigated filial cannibalism in an insect, the assassin bug Rhinocoris tristis. In this species, males guard eggs of a number of females, cannibalizing some of their offspring within the brood. We monitored guarding males in both the field and the laboratory. Males typically ate eggs around the periphery of the brood, which were those most likely to have been parasitized by wasps. However, cannibalism persisted in the laboratory in the absence of parasites, and the number of cannibalized eggs was related to the length of care and overall brood size, suggesting that males use eggs as an alternative source of food.

OM NOM NOM NOM NOM babies NOM NOM NOM.

 

[Naraoia]

I don't think that any other animals have the ability to kill their fetuses. Humans are different in some ways due to our advanced technology and in my opinion, the fact that we have hands.

Actually, many (all?) mammals can reabsorb foetuses if conditions are too poor to give them much chance. IIRC, the phenomenon was a favourite of the early group selectionists - unselfish population control mechanism "for the good of the species", or whatever, though it has a perfectly selfish explanation. You don't want to waste resources you could put into future offspring if the ones you are carrying are likely to starve to death or starve YOU to death.

 

[metherion]

Also not sure if this would count, since it's offspring eating other offspring (but still in the womb):
Intrauterine Cannibalism in Sharks

Overview: In some sharks, the stronger embryos eat the weaker embryos in the womb so only the strongest actually get born. Alternatively, in some OTHER sharks, developing embryos eat the mother's eggs while in the uterus.

Metherion

 

[JustMeSee]

Oh, also. Humans are not believed to have evolved from monkeys. The evidence the ToE currently holds leads them to believe that humans and monkey (and other apes) have common ancestors. It is like a tree. Humans are on one divided branch, and other apes are on other divided branches.

You are not required to agree with the conclusions 'evolutionists' come to from their evidence, but it is wise to learn and understand the basics before spouting false claims.

I am highly skeptical about absolute truths in science. Some things are believed to be true that are later found to be found false. It is a work in progress.

 

[BananaSlug]

I didn't want my first thread to be like this, but I've seen some others like it so I thought I would start one.

I've changed a lot of peoples minds on this, so I found it necessary.

Really?

1 - What would be the purpose of a half wing?

"Half a wing" is still better than no wing. Would you consider a flying squirrel to have "half a wing"? What about a colugo? Does it have "three fourths" of a wing?

2 - What evidence do you have for the TRex being a meat eater? Don't say because of it's teeth. This is like finding the bones of a tall man and assuming he was a basketball player!

Teeth, T-rex tooth marks on dinosaur fossils, and coprolites.

3 - If humans are animals, why don't we act like it?

We do. We act like animals and we act like humans.

4 - If the appendix is 'vestigial', why is it part of the digestive system?

It used to function as a caecum in our herbivorous ancestors. It shrank we our ancestors began eating more meat.

5 - If we share a common ancestor with apes, how do they have two more chromosomes than we do. YES WE DO! Look it up yourselves. I've never gotten ANY explanation for this.

One of our chromosomes is the two that fused together.

6 - ALL dead organisms leave behind dead bodies. So why do evolutionist claim that we only have like 100 transitional forms?

Technically one could argue that every animal is a transitional form. In any case, we do have more than 100 transitional fossils.

7 - Why don't Monkey's have babies today?

They do have babies.

8 - Why have so many humans claimed to have seen dinosaurs in the congo and Lockness?

Same reason why so many claim to see ghosts.

Evolution requires faith.

I can't wait to see some of the struggling responses to this.

Poe? I don't know!

 

[EnemyPartyII]

I didn't want my first thread to be like this, but I've seen some others like it so I thought I would start one.

I've changed a lot of peoples minds on this, so I found it necessary.

1 - What would be the purpose of a half wing?
2 - What evidence do you have for the TRex being a meat eater? Don't say because of it's teeth. This is like finding the bones of a tall man and assuming he was a basketball player!
3 - If humans are animals, why don't we act like it?
4 - If the appendix is 'vestigial', why is it part of the digestive system?
5 - If we share a common ancestor with apes, how do they have two more chromosomes than we do. YES WE DO! Look it up yourselves. I've never gotten ANY explanation for this.
6 - ALL dead organisms leave behind dead bodies. So why do evolutionist claim that we only have like 100 transitional forms?
7 - Why don't Monkey's have babies today?
8 - Why have so many humans claimed to have seen dinosaurs in the congo and Lockness?


Evolution requires faith.

I can't wait to see some of the struggling responses to this.

"I've changed a lot of people's minds with this"...

I don't believe these questions are capable of changing anyone's minds. Maybe if they were written on a saw blade and a sterile crowbar you could change someone's minds around a bit, but until we master nerve fibre regeneration, you'd just be making 2 basket cases, so why bother?

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

Really?




Poe? I don't know!

More likely a good old drive by PRATT poster. I've seen dozens of them over the years.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

I'll repeat the question: what animal performs abortions on its own kind?

If the OP is suggesting we're animals because we, just like the animals do, have some inbred desire to procreate and protect our young, then I submit that we are not animals.

OTOH, if the OP is not suggesting that, then just forget I said anything here.

Kangaroos regularly intentionally abort pregnancies. I believe rabbits do under similar conditions, though I may be mistaken.

Kangaroo Cull Is Kindness

 

[Omceer]

Predators eat unborn/unhatched offspring all the time.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

 

[JustMeSee]

Did/will you kill yours brinny or did/will you protect them?

I think this was a drive-by comment. Brinny may not be back to this thread.

 

[HasturX]

Animals that kill their young after they are born are exempt from my point.

At least they have a chance to run.

Because animals have the technology to abort in the womb....... so your basically trolling right I mean you can't be serious.

 

[AV1611VET]

Because animals have the technology to abort in the womb....... so your basically trolling right I mean you can't be serious.

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[HasturX]

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So creationists do know how to make links.

Bravo sir, this is a great move for creationists the world over.