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TwinCrier

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Since y'all like to ask us questions I thought I would post in kind.

1. It is often said by Calvinists that dead men can't respond. As you say, "you are dead in your trespasses & sins." Eph. 2:1.

In Romans 6, it says that "in the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus."

If being dead in sin means one can't respond to God then does being dead to sin mean that the Christian cannot respond to sin?

2. Even though God does perfectly know all human thoughts, can man have thoughts that have never been thought before (i.e. ex-nihilo thoughts)?

If these thoughts are not free (e.g., they are determined) then has God caused all thoughts, including evil ones, which would make God the author of sin and evil and man not responsible?

If, on the other hand, these thoughts are free, then how can God remain sovereign according to the Calvinist definition of sovereignty?

3. The Bible says in 1 Timothy 2:4, "God our Savior wants all men to be saved and come to a knowledge of the truth."

It also states that God wants all men to be saved in 2 Peter 3:9, Matthew 23:37 and in Ezekiel 33:11 and 18:30. Obviously not all men are saved.

How does Calvinism explain this? Does the God of Calvinism have two wills that are in direct contradiction and hence have a multiple personality disorder?

4. Calvinism excludes individual faith from the salvation process, classifying such faith as a work.

How can Calvinists classify faith as a work when Paul specifically excludes faith from works in Romans 3:27-28 and 4:5?

5. Jonah 2:8 says that "those who cling to worthless idols forfeit the grace that could be theirs."

If, as Calvinism teaches, God determined before time began who would be reprobates, and therefore does not extend the grace to them by which they could be saved, how logically can we understand this verse's statement that these reprobates, "forfeited the grace that could be theirs.?"

6. The Bible says in John 6:44, "no one can come to me unless the Father who sent Me draws him." The same word "draw" is used in John 12:32 which says, "But I, when I am lifted up from the earth will draw all men unto myself." Matthew 23:37 says that men can resist God's will.

How do you answer this problem in Calvinism?

7. You say that even the "good" acts of sinners are "bad" because they come from a completely depraved nature. Is it a "bad" act to rationally apprehend the truthfulness of apologetics?

If so, why has God commanded us to practice apologetics to sinners, which causes them to do a bad act? Doesn't that mean that God causes sinners' bad acts?

If you say "yes," doesn't that make God a bad guy?

8. When Calvinism is shown to have logical contradictions, Calvinists usually reply that God's thoughts are unsearchable, and therefore the logical problems that Calvinism has, for example divine election and human responsibility, exhaustive sovereignty and human free will, and God's having two contradictory wills, are solved by invoking the phrase, "well that's a mystery."

If you can solve your logic problems by copping out with the term mystery, why can't the Arminian types, atheists and others pull the same move?

9. The Bible says in 2 Thessalonians 2:10 that reprobates "perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved."

From your Calvinistic worldview, how can it logically be said that a reprobate refuses to love the truth and so be saved, when your God determines that the reprobate can't love the truth, can't be saved, and therefore doesn't refuse God at all?

10. You have said that nothing thwarts the will of God, and you also have said that a man's will cannot be free or else God would not be absolutely sovereign.

Doesn't this mean that God determines (or is the cause of) evil and the evil acts of men for his sovereign pleasure?

11. In Romans 9 where God says, "I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy" why do you automatically assume that God does not want to have mercy on all but only have mercy on the select few when God clearly tells us in Romans 11:32 that, "God has bound all men over to disobedience so that He may have mercy on them all?"

If you say that all means all classes of men, but not all men in every class, then why does it not mean all classes of men but not all men in every class in Romans 3:23 where it says, "all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God?" Does this mean some have not sinned? Perhaps, for instance, the Virgin Mary?

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You should ask this in the Reformed forum, no one is willing to post in here because you'll debate and we can't. ;)

Besides, I started a thread 'Ask a Calvinist' for this reason in the Reformed Forum.
 
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Street Preacher said:
James White is solid, anyone listen to the Calvinist debate? :hug:
Yes, I listened to some of it. I couldn't sit for the whole hour though. My daughter needed to be put to bed, my wife needed to be assured that she still has a husband, and my term paper needed some polishing.

I've heard Dr. White before and read some of his work. He is indeed a solid calvinist. I don't think that was a debate though... more of a Q&A session..
 
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Street Preacher said:
James White is solid, anyone listen to the Calvinist debate? :hug:
Hey SP,

I have listened to many debates with Mr. White and others, what one are you referring to the one on BAM with Mr. Hunt??

Peace to u,

Bill
 
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BBAS 64 said:
Hey SP,

I have listened to many debates with Mr. White and others, what one are you referring to the one on BAM with Mr. Hunt??

Peace to u,

Bill
Ahhh, I don't have the tapes with me. It's called the Calvinism(or ist) Debate and it deals with the Will of Man and Limited Atonement. I doubt its Mr. Hunt. I just wanted to mention it because Dr. White does a good job presenting the Biblical doctrine of both the will and atonement. The guy he debated lost, anyone could see that, but that's not why I mentioned it...White did a great job and it's worth a listen.

SP
 
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TwinCrier said:
3. The Bible says in 1 Timothy 2:4, "God our Savior wants all men to be saved and come to a knowledge of the truth."
Here is an excellent essay on understanding the three theological views of this verse.

1. Arminian
2. Four-point Calvinist
3. Five-point Calvinist

In Summary:
A. The Arminian Interpretation: "God wants all men without exception by their own free will to be saved and to come unto the knowledge of the truth."

B. The Modified or 4-Point Calvinist Interpretation: "God desires to save all men without exception and to bring them to the knowledge of the truth upon the condition of faith, since Christ's atonement was universal and placed each and every individual in a savable position."

C. The Historic or 5-Point Calvinist Interpretation: "God desires, in harmony with His eternal decree, to save all men without distinction (i.e., without respect to rank, station, race, or nationality) and bring them to the knowledge of the truth."

http://www.the-highway.com/1Tim2.4.html
 
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Ebb said:
Here is an excellent essay on understanding the three theological views of this verse.

1. Arminian
2. Four-point Calvinist
3. Five-point Calvinist

In Summary:
A. The Arminian Interpretation: "God wants all men without exception by their own free will to be saved and to come unto the knowledge of the truth."

B. The Modified or 4-Point Calvinist Interpretation: "God desires to save all men without exception and to bring them to the knowledge of the truth upon the condition of faith, since Christ's atonement was universal and placed each and every individual in a savable position."

C. The Historic or 5-Point Calvinist Interpretation: "God desires, in harmony with His eternal decree, to save all men without distinction (i.e., without respect to rank, station, race, or nationality) and bring them to the knowledge of the truth."

http://www.the-highway.com/1Tim2.4.html
Good Day, Ebb

I do not know the authour of this page, but I think he presents a false view of the Reformed understanding of this verse. What he has given is only a part of the exergeis of the passage as a whole in considering the verses before this one and fails to look at the next verse.

1Ti 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Now, if there is one mediator for men that mediates on their behalf before the Father. It is an impossiblity to think that Jesus mediates on behalf of all men and fails some of the time. His meditation is allways effective for those whom he mediates, if he was the mediator for all men then all men would be saved and that is not the case from a Biblical view point.

For His Glory Alone! :clap:

Bill
 
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It is an impossiblity to think that Jesus mediates on behalf of all men and fails some of the time. His meditation is allways effective for those whom he mediates, if he was the mediator for all men then all men would be saved and that is not the case from a Biblical view point.
Indeed, but Christ does not mediate for all men. Christ mediates for those who have believed in him, in this He could never fail. This is why we see that there are two judgements... the judgement seat of Christ (for us), the Great White Throne (the rest). If a man chooses to deny Christ, then Christ does not act as mediator. This does not show any failure on God's end, rather it implicitly shows the failure of man and the absolute necessity of accepting the gift of Salvation from Jesus Christ.
 
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BT said:
Indeed, but Christ does not mediate for all men. Christ mediates for those who have believed in him, in this He could never fail. This is why we see that there are two judgements... the judgement seat of Christ (for us), the Great White Throne (the rest). If a man chooses to deny Christ, then Christ does not act as mediator. This does not show any failure on God's end, rather it implicitly shows the failure of man and the absolute necessity of accepting the gift of Salvation from Jesus Christ.
Good Day, BT

1Ti 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

1Ti 2:5 For there is
one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Just so I get your understanding straight, In 2:4 "all men" is every single man reguardless. In 2:5 "men" are believers only? Not quite sure that this passage implicitly shows any thing with reguards to the "failure of men".

Peace to u,

Bill
 
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