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Discussion in 'General Theology' started by ThomasGuthler, May 21, 2014.

  1. ThomasGuthler

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    Some more old entries for review, are they all correct?
    Regarding Isaiah 32, it refers to the Millennium and/or to the New Earth (vers 17)?




    Note that Proverbs 16:9, Proverbs 19:21, and Proverbs 20:24 don't mean that we don't have free will and can't make and perform plans against the counsel (or advice) of God; if we couldn't do that, then we could never sin, for God never counsels (or advises) us to commit sin. Neither do these verses mean that no matter what we plan to do, God has us in his grip like macabre meat puppets, mere marionettes who have no control over ourselves and no idea where God will make us step next as he pulls on our strings. For then when we took a sinful step, we could blame it on God. But the truth is that God never makes us sin; he never even tempts us to sin (James 1:13-15). Instead, Proverbs 16:9, Proverbs 19:21, and Proverbs 20:24 must mean that while we can make plans to do things, only by following God's infallible counsel in the Bible regarding how we are to behave (2 Timothy 3:16-17) will we fallible humans understand the best way forward in order for our life to be on firm ground spiritually.

    Note that not even Proverbs 21:1 takes away free will, for the imagery is of God digging channels to redirect water in directions that he wants the water to go. But the water will still always follow its own will in the sense that it will always travel downhill and take the most direct path that it can. So God can have kings make certain decisions he wants them to make not by taking away their free will, but by rearranging the situation around them so that they will decide by their own choice of what seems best in that situation, and so end up deciding the way God wants them to. Also, note that Proverbs 21:1 could apply only to rare situations when a certain decision by a king is crucial for the fulfillment of God's overall plan for that king's kingdom (e.g. 1 Kings 12:15); nothing requires that Proverbs 21:1 means that every single decision ever made by a king must have been led on by God's miraculous arranging of the situation around the king.

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    2 Peter 1:19-21 means that in our taking heed of Biblical prophecy in anticipation of the second coming of Jesus Christ, our interpretation of that prophecy must be in accordance with the Holy Spirit, for Biblical prophecy wasn't written by men based on their own human understanding or desire, but, like all scripture (2 Timothy 3:16), was written under the inspiration of God's Holy Spirit.

    So after becoming believers we need to receive the Holy Spirit, usually through the laying on of hands (Acts 19:2,6, 8:15-17), if we want to be able to properly interpret scripture.

    Once we have received the Holy Spirit, we can come to know the things that no man knows, such as the day of the second coming of Jesus Christ (Matthew 24:36), through the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 2:11b-12), who reveals to us things to come (John 16:13) via our reading of the writings of the Biblical prophets (Amos 3:7) and our comparing them with one another (1 Corinthians 2:13, Isaiah 28:9-10).

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    The last "time" in 1 John 2:18 is not a literal hour, but an indefinite period of time. Otherwise, by the time the people John was originally writing to received his letter, a last literal hour would have been long over.

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    Romans 4:6 is referring to salvation apart from works of the law (Galatians 2:16), not salvation apart from works of faith (James 2:24, Matthew 7:21, 25:26,30, Romans 2:7, Hebrews 5:9, Philippians 2:12; 1 Thessalonians 1:3, Galatians 5:6, Titus 3:8).

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    Salvation through sanctification of the Spirit (2 Thessalonians 2:13) still requires actions on the part of the believer subsequent to his initial salvation if he is not to ultimately lose his salvation: "For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live" (Romans 8:13); "This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh" (Galatians 5:16); "let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God" (2 Corinthians 7:1); "For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries" (Hebrews 10:26-27); "except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish" (Luke 13:3).

    Salvation through belief of the truth (2 Thessalonians 2:13) also still requires actions on the part of the believer subsequent to his initial salvation if he is not to ultimately lose his salvation: "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven" (Matthew 7:21); "Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only" (James 2:24); "Thou wicked and slothful servant ... cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth" (Matthew 25:26,30); "Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him" (2 Corinthians 5:9); "Who will render to every man according to his deeds: To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath" (Romans 2:6-8).

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    Continuing to teach false doctrine without knowing that it's false wouldn't count as a willful sin, for one wouldn't know that it was wrong. Willful sin would be defined as unrepentant sin which is continued in after one has received the knowledge of the truth that it's a sin (Hebrews 10:26). So if a pastor, for example, knew that some of the doctrine which he was teaching his church was false, but continued to teach it anyway because it helped him to squeeze more money out of his church (2 Peter 2:3), or helped him to rule it like a dictator (1 Peter 5:3), then that would be willful sin.

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    The drawing back referred to by Hebrews 10:38-39 could be a permanent condition, for it is a drawing back "unto perdition". "Perdition" means damnation, for "perdition" is contrasted with "the saving of the soul" (Hebrews 10:39). This is not referring to the initial salvation of the soul, but to its ultimate salvation, its actually obtaining eternal salvation because it endured unto the end in faith and obedience to Christ (Matthew 24:13, Hebrews 5:9, Romans 2:7). The drawing back referred to by Hebrews 10:38-39 could be a permanent condition also because it could be the same as falling away, from which no repentance is possible (Hebrews 6:4-8).

    Hebrews 10:38 in its entirety is referring only to justified believers, those who live by faith. Hebrews 10:38 means that even justified believers can commit apostasy, draw back from living in faith (1 Timothy 4:1), and so lose their salvation: "For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God: But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned" (Hebrews 6:4-8).

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    Revelation 3:11 is addressed to believers and it says that it's possible for them to let men take their crowns, and the Greek word translated there as "men" can mean anything: man, woman, or thing, including Satan.

    Satan can steal a believer's reward of eternal life the same way that a human can (Revelation 3:11b): by deceiving the believer into turning away from the faith and going after the doctrines of devils that encourage believers to continue in their lusts (1 Timothy 4:1-2; 2 Timothy 4:3-4) without repentance, so that they will end up losing their salvation (Hebrews 10:26-29; 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, Galatians 5:19-21).
     
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    Thank you for posting these.

    They seem to be.

    But regarding the 2 Peter 1:19-21 entry, paragraph 2 should be qualified by the *measures section under *Mk. 16:16. And paragraph 3 should be qualified, as under the *Knowing section of *Mt. 24:34, by the abomination of desolation possibly having to occur first, before the date of the 2nd coming can be known.

    Also, the Romans 4:6 entry might be incorrect in that the verse could be referring to initial salvation, which is apart from any works at all, as under *Rom. 4:1.

    Isaiah 32:15-18 may refer to what will happen to surviving, unsaved elect Jews at the 2nd coming (cf. Zechariah 12:10-14) and then during the subsequent millennium (Micah 4:3-4).
     
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    What day has the Holy Spirit revealed to you?
     
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    None, in the sense of a date. But possibly a day in relation to whenever the abomination of desolation occurs in our future.

    It is sometimes claimed, based on Matthew 24:36,42,44, that we will never know the date, until the 2nd coming actually happens.

    And these verses are even more often employed (mistakenly) to assert an imminent, pre-tribulation-rapture coming of Jesus.

    But Matthew 24:36,42,44 do refer to the 2nd coming (Matthew 24:37,42,44), which Jesus had just finished saying won't happen until immediately after the tribulation (Matthew 24:29-31). So in Matthew 24:42,44, Jesus can mean that only if believers don't watch (stay awake, spiritually) during the tribulation, the 2nd coming will happen at an hour they don't know/think not (cf. the if principle of Revelation 3:3b). In the context of Matthew 24:36,42,44, Jesus suggests that it is possible for believers to know when the 2nd coming will occur and to watch for it (Matthew 24:43-44a; 1 Thessalonians 5:4).

    Also, Jesus says "of that day and hour knoweth no man" (Matthew 24:36); he doesn't say "of that day and hour no man will know". So it is possible that at a certain point in our future, some believers will come to know the date (as in the year, month, and day) of the 2nd coming before it happens. Also, if we mistakenly think that Jesus can come today or tomorrow (as is sometimes claimed by the pre-tribulation and preterist views), then how can we also claim that he will come when nobody thinks he will (Matthew 24:44)?

    Also, compare the following: "of that day and hour knoweth no man" (Matthew 24:36), "the things of God knoweth no man" (1 Corinthians 2:11). If we claim that the 1st verse means that no man will ever know the date of the 2nd coming until it happens, then to be consistent we would have to also claim that the 2nd verse means that no man, not even believers, can know the things of God until the 2nd coming. But who would say that? For the Holy Spirit can currently reveal to believers the things of God (1 Corinthians 2:12-13). He can currently guide them into all truth and show them what will happen in the future (John 16:13), including the date of the 2nd coming. For, again, Jesus suggests that it is possible for believers to know when the 2nd coming will occur and to watch for it (Matthew 24:43-44a; 1 Thessalonians 5:4). Also, what Amos 3:7 says would include the 2nd coming: Surely God the Father won't send Jesus back without having first revealed to some believers the secret of the date of the 2nd coming.

    Jesus could return on the 1,335th day after the abomination of desolation (possibly a standing, android image of the Antichrist) is set up in a 3rd Jewish temple in Jerusalem (Daniel 12:11-12, Revelation 16:15, Daniel 11:31,36, Matthew 24:15).

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    Regarding the "abomination of desolation", it is sometimes claimed that it has already occurred. And, indeed, Daniel 11:31 was typically fulfilled by the abomination of desolation in 1 Maccabees 1:54, which occurred in the holy place (the inner sanctum) of the 2nd Jewish temple in Jerusalem in the time of Antiochus IV. But per Jesus' statement in Matthew 24:15, the church will see the abomination of desolation in Daniel 11:31 fulfilled (antitypically) in the future, when the church will see the abomination of desolation stand in the holy place (of a 3rd Jewish temple in Jerusalem). This future abomination of desolation could be a standing, android image of the Antichrist (Revelation 13:15) which his followers ("they") will put in the holy place of the temple (Daniel 11:31) to be worshipped (Revelation 13:15), after they have stopped the daily Mosaic animal sacrifices which the ultra-Orthodox Jews will have restarted in front of the temple (Daniel 11:31). This image will pollute the holy place of the temple (Daniel 11:31).

    The Antichrist will then fulfill Daniel 11:36 and 2 Thessalonians 2:4 by sitting himself (at least one time) in the temple and proclaiming himself God. By the power of Satan (the dragon, Revelation 12:9), the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of Revelation's "beast") will then rule and be worshipped by all the nations of the earth for 3.5 literal years (Revelation 13:4-18), and will physically overcome Biblical Christians (not in hiding) in every nation (Revelation 13:7-10, Revelation 14:12-13, Revelation 20:4-6, Matthew 24:9-13).

    Also, from the day on which (antitypically) "the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be 1,290 days. Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the 1,335 days" (Daniel 12:11-12, Revelation 16:15). Also, because the Antichrist will fulfill Daniel 11:31 antitypically (Matthew 24:15) and will fulfill Daniel 11:36 for the first (and only) time, then he will also fulfill all of Daniel 11:21-45 (the first part of it antitypically, and the rest for the first and only time) when he arises on the world stage, for that passage refers to the career of the same man. And since the Antichrist will fulfill all of Daniel 11:21-45 when he arises on the world stage, then just preceding his arising on the world stage, Daniel 11:13-19 could be fulfilled antitypically by an Iraqi Baathist General completely defeating and occupying Israel and Egypt with a huge Iraqi Army (Daniel 11:15-17; in verse 17 the original Hebrew word translated as "daughter" is "bath").
     
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    Thanks for clarifying. We are responsible for knowing the signs of the times, and while prophesy does say that He will return within the generation of Israel return the temple sacrifices are not in place yet but with the signs in the sky and people's hearts faint at the evil against the holy taking place it won't be long.
     
  6. ThomasGuthler

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    Regarding *Ezek. 47:12, if it has a future fulfillment it is the same water as in Zech. 14:8?

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    Could you add this entry to the blog, this is a relativ common misunderstanding:


    Regarding Romans 16:7, it doesn't mean that Andronicus and Junia themselves were apostles, but that they were held in high regard by the apostles.

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    Regarding this post on partial preterism, it believes that Revelation was written before 70AD?


    Actually, there are different forms of preterism. It is only full preterism which isn't allowed in the eschatology section, not because we're discussing the future and not the past, but because full preterism overthrows the faith of some (2 Timothy 2:18).

    Partial preterism is allowed in the eschatology section because it still looks forward to the second coming of Christ and the resurrection of the Church (1 Corinthians 15:22-23,52-56). And partial preterism isn't banned from the eschatology section even though it believes that the tribulation of Revelation 6-18 already happened in 70 AD, and even though eschatology is usually thought of as being about the future and not the past, because partial preterists still consider Revelation 6-18 to be eschatology, insofar as it was still about the future at the time it was written.

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    Could you change the settings of your blog to public, so that it can be read without being member of this forum?

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    Some more old entries for review:

    Proverbs 16:9 and Jeremiah 10:23 mean that we shouldn't follow the way that our own heart devises (Proverbs 28:26, 14:12, Jeremiah 17:9), but the way which God directs (Psalms 23:3).

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    Man is neither of a singular nature nor of a dual nature, but is of a triune nature: "I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ" (1 Thessalonians 5:23). God is also of a triune nature: "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost" (Matthew 28:19). It could be in at least this triune-nature sense that "God created man in his own image" (Genesis 1:27).

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    The British very well could be descended from Japheth, just as all other Europeans could descended from Japheth as well (Genesis 9:27, 10:2-5).

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    There's no proof that Berechiah (Matthew 23:35) couldn't have been another name for Jehoiada (2 Chronicles 24:20-21).

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    The firmament that makes known the work of God's hands to people on the earth (Psalms 19:1-4) is the sky or atmosphere of the earth, which is the same firmament which was made when YHWH Elohiym separated the waters from the waters (Genesis 1:7), with some of the waters collecting above the firmament, that is, in the rainclouds that float above the firmament, in which the birds fly (Genesis 1:20).

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    The name of the Branch in Zechariah 6:12 is given in Zechariah 6:11, for "Joshua" is the Hebrew equivalent of the Greek "Jesus". (For example, in Hebrews 4:8 and Acts 7:45, "Jesus" is referring to the "Joshua" of the Old Testament.)

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    While the Bible nowhere teaches about "Atlantis", it does suggest that there have been past civilization-cycles on this earth, that is, before our current one which began with the creation of Adam about 4,000 B.C.

    Ecclesiastes 1:10 suggests that all the things we think of as new inventions (e.g. computers, jets, atomic weapons) were also invented in past civilization-cycles. And Ecclesiastes 1:9 suggests that we are not the last civilization-cycle which will be on this earth.

    Ecclesiastes 1:11 suggests that there is a complete break between civilization-cycles, so that there is no record left on the earth of previous cycles. This could be accomplished by God completely melting the surface of the earth between cycles so as to destroy all the works of the intelligent creatures which lived during each cycle (cf. 2 Peter 3:10-13). Because the planet itself must last forever (Ecclesiastes 1:4), each new cycle could be called a "new earth" (cf. Revelation 21:1) in the sense of a completely new surface to the earth, on which a newly created race of intelligent creatures can begin to build their works.

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    Matthew 5:18 refers to the passing away of the present creation, the present, literal heaven and earth, which will pass away after the millennium and subsequent events (Revelation 20:7-10), at the great white throne judgment (Revelation 20:11-15). It's after this judgment that God will create the new heaven and earth (Revelation 21:1).

    Matthew 24:35a and Revelation 21:1 won't occur until after the millennium and subsequent events are over (Revelation 20:7 to 21:1).

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    Acts 16:31 refers to initial salvation only, which is based on faith alone (Ephesians 2:8-9). Paul elsewhere makes quite clear that only those Christians who subsequently obey Jesus will be saved in the end (Romans 2:6-8), and that those Christians who wrongly employ their will to commit any unrepentant sin will not be saved in the end (Romans 8:13a, Galatians 5:19-21).

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    Colossians 2:6-7 doesn't say that those with faith can continue in unrepentant sin and expect to be saved in the end, for unrepentant sin is opposed to faith in him; it is an outright denial of him (Titus 1:16, John 14:24).

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    Hebrews 12:8 doesn't require once-saved-always-saved, for even those sheep who receive chastisement (Revelation 3:19) can still choose to keep on sinning (Revelation 2:21), to the point where their hearts can become hardened against God, their consciences can become seared as with a hot iron, to where they depart from God (Hebrews 3:13-15, 1 Timothy 4:1-2).
     
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    Yes.

    Good catch.

    Yes.

    Thank you for posting it.

    That is the usual preterist position, although some partial preterists (like historicists) may differ, and see Revelation as being not solely about the time of Nero, but also more generally about the Roman Empire's tyranny, and persecutions subsequent to Nero and subsequent to 70 AD.

    All the blog posts are set individually to be read by "All Visitors", not just members.

    But I will try to see if there is some more-general, overriding, blog-wide setting that needs to be changed. (If I am unable to find it, and so change it, maybe you could give me instructions on how to do so.) For I have never intended for the blog to be restricted to forum members only. (But there may be an outside element which wants to be able to restrict, and also to more-easily identify, who is reading the blog, and so is overriding the "All Visitors" settings.)

    Thank you for posting these.
     
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    It seems that it is no longer possible for non-members to watch any blog since the forum-update last year, so you can do nothing about it. If you are no member this message (which I didn´t notice previously) shows up when you want to read the blog:

    You cannot see the blog because your usergroup permissions do not have the "Can View" permission for blogs, and you are blocked from seeing any blog.
     
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    Could you add this entry to the blog as *1 Cor. 6:2-3, this explanation is crucial for understanding of that verses:


    1 Corinthians 6:2 pertains to the church's judging of the world [and angels] during the millennium (Revelation 20:4-6, 5:10, 2:26-29), judging in the sense of ruling, like the judges (rulers) in the book of Judges.

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    Some more old posts, do you still agree with all of them?



    The day of the Lord that will stretch from the second coming, through the millennium, and up to the great white throne judgment, will be one long period of time of judgment from God. It will begin with the judgment of the second coming (Revelation 19:11-21), extend through the judgment of the millennium (e.g. Zechariah 14:19, Revelation 2:26-29), then include the judgment on Gog, Magog, and Satan after the millennium (Revelation 20:7-10), and then end with the great white throne judgment (Revelation 20:11-15).

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    The mystery of Revelation 1:20 relates only to some things which John had just seen, and the mystery is explained by Jesus himself (through John's writing it down) to the entire church; there are no "need-to-know" restrictions on anything written down in Revelation, for it's an unsealed book (Revelation 22:10), open for anyone to read (or hear read), and so be blessed (Revelation 1:3).

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    Matthew 24:7-8 would include the war (Revelation 6:4), famine (Revelation 6:6,8), epidemics (Revelation 6:8, where beasts could include disease-causing animals such as bacteria), and earthquake (Revelation 6:12) of only the first stage of the coming tribulation of Revelation chapters 6-18. But still, the tribulation of Revelation chapters 6-18 (as opposed to Matthew 24:7-8, which could also include other wars, famines, epidemics, and earthquakes preceding Revelation 6:4-8) hasn't started yet, for it will start with the horrible war (and its aftermath of famines and epidemics) of the second through fourth seals (Revelation 6:4-8), which will end up killing one-fourth of the world (Revelation 6:8). The "great sword" of this war (Revelation 6:4) could be Israel's nuclear weapons.

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    Matthew 23:34 is referring to non-Christian religious Jews persecuting and killing Christians. While some unbelieving Jews fulfilled Matthew 23:34 in the past by persecuting and killing Christians (e.g. Acts 7:59), some unbelieving Jews will not be alone in fulfilling the killing of Christians during the coming tribulation (as in Revelation 6:11b), for Matthew 24:9 shows that during the coming tribulation we Christians will be hated and killed by unbelievers of every nation.

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    Isaiah 26:19 is referring to the resurrection of the church; but then Isaiah 26:20 takes a step back chronologically (like, for example, Matthew 14:3 takes a step back chronologically from Matthew 14:2), [(just as, for example, Mark 6:17 takes a chronological step back from Mark 6:16)] for Isaiah 26:20 is referring to those in the church who will still be alive on the earth during the vials of God's wrath (Revelation 16), still waiting for Jesus' coming as a thief (Revelation 16:15). They'll go into protective chambers on the earth during the vials of wrath, like Noah went into the protective ark during the flood.

    Isaiah 26:20 has no reference to anyone in heaven, for no one in heaven will have any need to hide from anything happening down on the earth.

    There would be absolutely no reason for immortal people in heaven to hide (Isaiah 26:20b) from events happening down on the earth.

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    The prophecy referred to by Paul in Romans 11:26 (Isaiah 59:20) didn't happen in 67-70 AD because Isaiah 59:19b-20 is referring to the same unfulfilled second coming of Jesus to rescue the surviving Jews in Jerusalem as Zechariah 14:2-5, after which the physically-returned Jesus himself (Zechariah 14:4, Acts 1:11-12) will personally save the surviving unsaved elect Jews (Zechariah 12:10-14, Romans 11:26) and restore Jerusalem and set up his millennial kingdom (Zechariah 14:8-21, Micah 4:1-4).

    In Romans 11:26b,27b, "and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob" and "when I shall take away their sins" refers to Jesus' saving of all of the unsaved elect Jews who will still be alive at the second coming (Zechariah 12:10-14, Isaiah 4:3-4, Romans 11:25-31).

    In Romans 11:27a, "For this is my covenant unto them" refers to the New Covenant made only with Israel (Jeremiah 31:31-33). Because the New Covenant is the covenant by which the church is saved (Matthew 26:28, 1 Corinthians 11:25, 2 Corinthians 3:6, Hebrews 9:15), this requires that the church be Israel, which happens to be the case (Revelation 21:9b,12b), for all Jews in the church remain Israel (Romans 11:1), and all Gentiles in the church have been grafted into Israel (Romans 11:17,24, Ephesians 2:12,19, Galatians 3:29).

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    Pleroma (fullness) in Romans 11:12 means a fullness of the salvation of elect Israel, including a blinded portion of it which has yet to be saved at the second coming (Romans 11:25-26).

    The fullness of the salvation of elect Israel (Romans 11:12) will be accompanied by the resurrection of the church (Romans 11:15), for at the second coming will occur both the fullness of the salvation of elect Israel (Romans 11:26) and the resurrection of the church (1 Corinthians 15:22-23,52-53, 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17, Revelation 20:4-6).

    God has inserted a gap of thousands of years to allow the fullness of the Gentiles to come in (Romans 11:25, 2 Peter 3:8-9).

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    The "word of promise" in Romans 9:9 is quoted from Genesis 18:10.

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    The promise of Romans 4:13 could refer to Genesis 22:17-18, 17:4-8.

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    Jesus is the prophet of Acts 3:22-23 (John 14:23-24, 3:36). At his first coming, he was raised up from the midst of the Israelites (Deuteronomy 18:15, Romans 1:3).

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    Acts 9:31 refers to the first century churches located in Judaea, Galilee, and Samaria, which would have consisted of believers who were descendants of those in the southern kingdom of Judah (Jews).

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    In Acts 7:51, the uncircumcision of the ears is figurative, like the uncircumcision of the heart.

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    A Jew will end up ruling the world, for Jesus is a Jew (John 4:9,22), and at his second coming he will rule the world (Psalms 72:8, Zechariah 14:9), upon the throne of his forefather David the Jew (Luke 1:32, Isaiah 9:7). And other Jews will rule the world with Jesus, for the church contains Jews (1 Corinthians 12:13), and the church will rule the world with Jesus during the millennium (Revelation 5:10, 2:26-29, 20:4-6).

    No one can be saved by siding themselves with Jewish people, for not all Jewish people are saved or will be saved (John 8:42-47, Revelation 3:9; 1 John 2:22). One can only be saved through the individual Jew Jesus Christ (John 14:6, 3:36, Acts 4:12).

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    Unbelieving Israel was abandoned by God even before Jesus' death (Luke 13:35a), but with the promise that it would come into belief at the second coming (Luke 13:35b), when all the elect of unbelieving Israel will get saved (Romans 11:26) when they see Jesus (Zechariah 12:10-14).

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    2 Esdras 9:1-2 is like Luke 21:28.

    2 Esdras 9:3 is like Matthew 24:7.

    2 Esdras 9:7-8 is like Luke 21:36, Matthew 24:13.

    2 Esdras 9:9-12 is like Matthew 24:48-51.

    1 Enoch 50 doesn't say that the rapture will be before the tribulation, because the rapture won't be until after the tribulation (Matthew 24:29-31).

    1 Enoch 50:1-2 is referring to the second coming, when the church will be resurrected (1 Corinthians 15:22-23, Revelation 20:4-6, 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17) and changed into immortality (1 Corinthians 15:51-53) on the same day that Jesus will bring God's wrath against the unsaved who survived the tribulation (Revelation 19:15-21, 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10).

    1 Enoch 50:2b-3 is referring to the repentance and salvation of all of the unsaved elect Jews who will still be alive at the second coming (Romans 11:25-28, Zechariah 12:10-14).

    1 Enoch 50:4-5 [...] is referring to the great white throne judgment (Revelation 20:11-15), after the millennium (Revelation 20:7).

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    Some try to tie the door opened in heaven for John in Revelation 4:1 with the open door set before the first-century local church congregation in the city of Philadelphia in the Roman province of "Asia" (Revelation 3:8, 1:11b). But the open door set before the first-century local church congregation in the city of Philadelphia in the Roman province of "Asia" was not in heaven, but on the earth, just as the open doors set before the apostle Paul in 1 Corinthians 16:9 and 2 Corinthians 2:12 were not in heaven, but on the earth. Revelation 3:8, 1 Corinthians 16:9 and 2 Corinthians 2:12 refer to God opening to people in the Church an opportunity to witness, to evangelize on the earth.

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    The author of the book of Revelation (also called the Apocalypse) is God the Father, who gave it to Jesus Christ to give to the church through an angel and the apostle John (Revelation 1:1-2, 22:16).

    The person in authority who is addressing the seven churches of Revelation 1:11 in the letters of chapters 2-3 is Jesus Christ, not John. And in everything that John says to the churches in chapter 1, he always refers to God the Father and/or to Jesus Christ and/or to the Holy Spirit (Revelation 1:4-7,9-10), never to his own authority as an apostle, for this is not his book; he is simply an amanuensis (Revelation 1:19,2).

    In each of the seven cities mentioned by name in Revelation 1:11b, a New Covenant church (ekklesia) existed at the time that the book of Revelation was written. That's why Revelation 1:11 refers to "the seven churches" (ekklesia), and why each of the seven letters in Revelation chapters 2-3 is addressed to "the church" (ekklesia) in one of those seven cities (Revelation 2:1,8,12,18, 3:1,7,14), which word would apply to any New Covenant congregation regardless of whether those churches contained believing Jews (cf. 1 Thessalonians 2:14, Galatians 1:22, Acts 9:31) or believing Gentiles (cf. Romans 16:4) or any mixture thereof (cf. Acts 6:1, 8:1), for there are no believers outside of the church (1 Corinthians 12:13, Ephesians 4:4-5, 1:22-23).

    Note that Revelation chapters 1-3 don't say or require that the seven first-century local church congregations in the Roman province of "Asia" (Revelation 1:11) consisted entirely of Jewish Christians, instead of a mixture of both Jewish and Gentile Christians. For the passage about the "one new man" in Ephesians 2:15b is addressed to Gentile Christians in Ephesus (Ephesians 2:11), and Ephesus was one of the seven first-century local church congregations in the Roman province of "Asia" (Revelation 1:11).

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    Psalms 27:4 won't happen for David (Psalm 27 title) or the rest of the dead in the church until they're resurrected back to life (Daniel 12:2) after the tribulation (Daniel 12:1, Revelation 20:4-6), at the second coming (1 Corinthians 15:22-23, 1 Thessalonians 4:15-16), and go into the millennial temple on the earth (Zechariah 14:20-21).

    And then, after the millennium, the battle of Gog and Magog, and the great white throne judgment (Revelation 20:7-15), the heavenly house of God and God himself will come down out of heaven to a new earth, and all those in the church will dwell in God's house with God forever on the new earth (Revelation 21:1-4).
     
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    Thank you for posting this entry.

    Yes, except for the Acts 9:31 entry, which would need to be qualified to include the non-Jewish Samaritans saved in the prior chapter.

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    Thank you for all of your research and posted entries.
     
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    There are some more old posts for review, do you still consider them to be correct?




    Because astronomy has revealed to us that our sun is just one star among 100 billion times 100 billion other stars in the universe, it indeed helps us to put our lives in the right perspective, just as simply staring up into the night sky can:

    Psalms 8:3 ...When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained; 4 What is man, that thou art mindful of him? ...

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    Revelation 9:2-10 refers to literal locust-like demonic creatures which will come up from the bottomless pit during the coming tribulation (Revelation 9:2-3), and be led by the fallen angel of the bottomless pit, Abaddon (Revelation 9:11). The world could see them as "aliens" which had lain dormant in deep underground caverns, a la the X-Files.

    The locust-like creatures will be literally shaped "like" horses prepared for battle (Revelation 9:7). They'll have literal heads on which they'll have "as it were" crowns "like" gold (Revelation 9:7b). They'll have literal faces "as" the faces of men (Revelation 9:7c), literal hair "as" the hair of women (Revelation 9:8), literal teeth "as" the teeth of lions (Revelation 9:8b), and literal breastplates "as it were" breastplates of iron (Revelation 9:9).

    They'll have literal wings, the sound of which will be "as" the sound of chariots of many horses running to battle (Revelation 9:9b). They'll have literal tails "like" unto scorpions (Revelation 9:10), and literal stingers in their tails (Revelation 9:10b), and they'll hurt people for a literal five months (Revelation 9:10c) with excruciatingly painful stings "as" the sting of a scorpion (Revelation 9:5b).

    But they won't kill anybody (Revelation 9:5-6), and will only hurt people who don't have a seal of God in their foreheads (Revelation 9:4, cf. 7:3-4).

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    The avenging of the blood of the martyrs of Revelation 6:10 won't occur until after the reign of the Antichrist, at the seven vials of God's wrath (Revelation 16). The third vial is even specifically referred to as an avenging of the blood of the martyrs (Revelation 16:4-7). God will not be killing His own martyrs in His wrath in the fifth seal (Revelation 6:11b); it will be Satan and evil men who will be doing that in their wrath (Matthew 24:9).

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    While the first horseman could be sent by Jesus, the others could simply be allowed by Jesus to come forth at that time, for the war could be started by evil men, and the famine and epidemics could come as a natural result of a nuclear war's radioactive fallout destroying crop fields and immune systems.

    The second, third, and fourth horsemen (Revelation 6:4-8) aren't God's judgments, because after them the martyrs ask God when he's going to bring his judgment (Revelation 6:10).

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    "The dragon stood on the shore of the sea" (Revelation 13:1, NIV).

    "I stood upon the sand of the sea" (Revelation 13:1, KJV).

    Both the dragon and John could be standing by the sea at that point, just as both an angel and John could be standing by the sea earlier:

    "The angel which standeth upon the sea and upon the earth. And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book" (Revelation 10:8-9).

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    Romans 16:20 says that the devil will be under the feet of the church, which could be symbolized by the moon under the feet of the woman in Revelation 12:1.

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    Isaiah 14:15 could refer to Satan's future imprisonment in the bottomless pit (Revelation 20:3), at the second coming of Jesus Christ (Revelation 19:11-20:3).

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    Note that only some of the imagery of Revelation 17:7,9,10 is from Daniel. Also note that the imagery of Revelation 17:7,9,10 relates not to the figurative harlot Bablyon, but to the figurative beast which carries her.

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    Regarding Revelation 11:8, that's referring to the spiritual state of the unbelieving Jews in Jerusalem (cf. Galatians 4:24-25).

    Earthly Jerusalem is unholy insofar as it represents those unbelieving Jews (such as the Orthodox Jews) who reject the New Covenant Gospel of Jesus and want to stay in bondage to the Old Covenant law (Galatians 4:24-26, 5:1,4), even though God has abolished the continued application of that law to men (Hebrews 7:18-19, Ephesians 2:15).

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    Luke 13:33 must be a hyperbolic dig at Jerusalem (in its corrupt aspect) for killing prophets sent to it in the past (Luke 13:34), for prophets have perished in other places than Jerusalem, such as when Jezebel killed prophets in the northern kingdom (1 Kings 18:13).

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    Matthew 5:5 applies to all believers, who will inherit the earth during the coming millennium (Revelation 5:10, 20:4-6, 2:26-29).

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    "3 But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged of you, or of man's judgment: yea, I judge not mine own self. 4 For I know nothing by myself; yet am I not hereby justified: but he that judgeth me is the Lord. 5 Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God." (1 Corinthians 4:3-5)

    This is referring to the judgment of the church at the second coming:

    "I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom" (2 Timothy 4:1).

    After the tribulation, at the second coming, the rapture will gather the church together into the clouds to meet Jesus in the air and to be judged by Him there:

    "He shall call to the heavens from above, and to the earth, that he may judge his people. Gather my saints together unto me" (Psalms 50:3-5).

    "Then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven" (Mark 13:27).

    "For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ" (2 Corinthians 5:10).

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    There will be a heavenly army at the second coming which will include the raptured Church (Revelation 19:14, cf. 19:8b), and there could also be an earthly army made up of those unbelieving elect Israelites saved at the second coming, who could be allowed by Jesus to fight their enemies (Zechariah 14:14, 12:5-8).

    So the second coming of Jesus Christ will be a total shock to the world. The world will have been expecting to wage war against some evil Old Testament god named "YHWH" with the help of the good Jesus (played by the False Prophet) and with the help of the true and beneficent Christ/God (played by Lucifer) and with the help of the good Son of God (played by the Antichrist) and with the help of the good angels of God (played by the fallen angels of Lucifer: Revelation 12:9). But then instead of some evil god appearing in the sky, the world could see the glorious sign of the Cross (cf. Matthew 24:30), the symbol of the good YHWH dying for our sins (Acts 20:28b). And then the world will see the glorious appearance of the real Jesus, sitting on a white horse descending from the sky (Revelation 19:11-21).

    When the people of the world realize at that moment how thoroughly they have been duped, and see in the sky the huge angelic armies (2 Thessalonians 1:7) of the true Jesus, the true Christ, the true Son of God, and the good YHWH, who are all the one and the same Jesus Christ of Nazareth, they could utterly mourn and wail for themselves (Matthew 24:30, Revelation 1:7), knowing in their spirits that Jesus has returned in wrath to destroy most of them for their unrepentant sins (2 Thessalonians 1:8-9, Revelation 19:15-21).

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    Quote: „The Second Coming of Jesus will involve genocide.“

    A: It will involve Jesus slaying much of the unsaved world (Luke 12:49; 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10, Revelation 19:19-21).

    Quote: „The message is that God will ultimately put down this universal rebellion.“

    A: That's right (Revelation 19:19 to 20:6), and also a subsequent rebellion (Revelation 20:7-10).

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    Revelation 19:11 isn't referring to the third heaven of Revelation 19:1-4, but to the first heaven, the sky, which will be "opened" by the clouds in the sky (of Matthew 24:30) parting to reveal Jesus to the sight of men on the earth.

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    "His eyes were as a flame of fire" (Revelation 19:12), how they literally appear.

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    The fact that the Bible says that the Spirit will never leave Christians (John 14:16), and that no one can be a Christian without the Spirit (Romans 8:9), proves that the Spirit isn't going to be taken off of the earth before the Antichrist is revealed, for there will be Christians still alive on the earth after he's revealed (Revelation 13:7-10, 14:12-13, 20:4).

    Those Christians who will still be alive on the earth during the reign of the Antichrist will also be Spirit-filled believers, for no one can be a Christian without the Spirit (Romans 8:9). They will be blessed in their death, by the Spirit (Revelation 14:12-13).

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    1 Peter 2:9 refers to those in the church, who will reign with Jesus as kings and priests on the earth during the millennium (Revelation 5:9-10, 20:4-6, 2:26-29, Matthew 19:28, Luke 22:30).

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    Luke 13:30 and Matthew 20:16 aren't distinguishing between Jews and Gentiles, for the church contains both (1 Corinthians 12:13). Luke 13:30 and Matthew 20:16 are referring to individuals in the church (cf. Mark 10:29-31) no matter whether they're Jews or Gentiles: during the coming millennial kingdom (Luke 13:29) many which were last in the church will be first, and many which were first in the church will be last (Mark 10:31).

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    … the only connection between Solomon and the number 666 isn't the number of his name, but the number of talents of gold that he received in one year (1 Kings 10:14).

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    Isaiah 26:17 could refer to the church in the tribulation (Revelation 12:2).

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    An endtime fulfillment of Daniel 11:6 could have been the time when Egypt joined with Syria into the United Arab Republic (1958-1961).

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    [Daniel 11:20]

    As he's retreating, he could mysteriously disappear (Daniel 11:19), such as in a sandstorm in Libya.

    Then one of the Baathist generals under him could make himself the new leader over what could have become a Baathist confederation of Iraq, Syria (including "Palestine", i.e. a defeated Israel), and Egypt. But this new leader, who will be known only as a raiser of taxes, will die after only a few days in office (Daniel 11:20) [He could be secretly poisoned by the Antichrist ...], and be replaced by the Antichrist (Daniel 11:21-45).



    When he tries to retreat he will disappear from the scene (Daniel 11:19), maybe in some sandstorm in the deserts of Libya.

    And so the Orthodox Jews will rejoice for God's delivering them from their enemy. And when he is replaced by another Arab leader who dies after only a few days (Daniel 11:20), the Orthodox Jews could think that no doubt God has struck him down to prevent him from attacking their City. But when he is replaced by someone else (Daniel 11:21), another Arab leader, they will get a rude awakening, for this new leader (who will be the Antichrist, who could come out of Lebanon) will come and attack them and succeed in defeating them and their "Messiah" (Daniel 11:22).
     
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    Thank you for posting them.

    Yes.

    Thank you for retrieving them from the archives, so they can see the light of day again.
     
  13. ThomasGuthler

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    Could you confirm these old posts, are there any new thoughts from your side about them? Also, there´s a typo in Section 20 under *Rev. 13:5 (Re: Isn't is only the "Jewish cabal" that we need to fear...




    The release of the powerful fallen angelic "prince" of Babylon from the bottomless pit could occur at the same time as the unbinding of four other powerful fallen angels now bound in the river Euphrates (Revelation 9:14), who could have been bound there at the fall of the ancient empire of Babylon. The binding of a stone to a scroll by Jeremiah about the fall of the ancient empire of Babylon, and the casting of the scroll into the Euphrates to sink down to the bottom (Jeremiah 51:63-64) could have been a symbolic act which included a representation of the binding of the four powerful fallen angels and their being cast into the Euphrates to sink down to the bottom.

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    Philippians 2:10-11 could be fulfilled physically at the great white throne judgment (Revelation 20:11-15), which won't occur until after the millennium (Revelation 20:4-15)...

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    John 11:52 is referring to the elect Gentiles who would be saved along with the elect Jews (Romans 9:8-24).

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    The blindness in part that has happened to Israel was ongoing at the time Paul wrote Romans 11:25, and still is ongoing, for part of Israel was, and still is, an enemy of the gospel: "As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes" (Romans 11:28). Still today, there are Jews who are rabidly opposed to people preaching the gospel. For example, in one town in Israel recently, after some people had gone through the town door to door handing out New Testaments, a group of ultra-Orthodox Jews in the town got wind of it and went door to door demanding that the people in each house hand over the New Testaments, which were then cast into a pile in the town square and set on fire until they were burned to ashes. As horrible as that was, some of the Jews who did that could still be elect; they could still be chosen by God to come to faith sometime in the future, even though currently they are part of that part of Israel which has been blinded and is an enemy of the gospel.

    The blindness in part that has happened to Israel will continue "until" the fullness of the Gentiles comes in, which could happen at the end of the coming tribulation, right before the second coming of Jesus Christ.

    The blinded unsaved elect Jews (Romans 11:25a,28) who were alive in the time of Paul died before the coming in of the fullness of the Gentiles and the second coming (Romans 11:25b-26), and so they died unsaved.

    They could be resurrected after the millennium, at the great white throne judgment, along with all of the other people throughout history who died unsaved (Revelation 20:11-15).

    Or, if all elect people are considered Christ's (John 6:39), then the blinded elect Jews who died unsaved could be resurrected along with the church at the second coming (1 Corinthians 15:22-23). If they are, it's possible that they could be saved at that time, along with all of the unsaved elect Jews still alive at the second coming (Romans 11:26, Zechariah 12:10-14).

    The mystery of Romans 11:25 isn't the jealousy of Deuteronomy 32:21, Romans 10:19, 11:11, but the blindness which has happened to part of elect Israel until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in and Jesus returns to save all of the elect Jews who are still alive (Romans 11:25-26, Zechariah 12:10-14).

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    While Acts 7:23 did contain the number 40, Romans 11:25 may not contain a number because it hadn't been revealed to Paul, or it had but he'd been told by God that it wouldn't be lawful for him to reveal it (cf. 2 Corinthians 12:4).

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    Q: How many people decide to accept Christ because they are afraid of hell, and not genuinely convicted?

    A: People who are genuinely convicted can accept Christ because they are afraid of hell, for they would both be afraid of hell and want to accept Christ because they are convicted that they are sinners who will go to hell if they don't repent and accept Christ.

    There's nothing wrong with fearing hell, for it is ultimately the fear of God Himself, who is the only one who will cast us into hell for our sins if we don't repent and accept Christ (Luke 12:5).

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    "All fowls that creep, going upon all four, shall be an abomination unto you" (Leviticus 11:20, KJV).

    "All flying insects that walk on all fours are to be detestable to you" (Leviticus 11:20, NIV).

    The KJV translated the original Hebrew word as "fowls" in Leviticus 11:20 because the same Hebrew word had just been used in Leviticus 11:13 to refer, not to flying insects, but to other flying creatures such as birds and bats: "Among the fowls; they shall not be eaten, they are an abomination: the eagle, and the ossifrage, and the ospray... and the bat" (Leviticus 11:13,19). The KJV intended "fowls" to be understood in the archaic sense of the original Hebrew word, which could refer to any flying creatures, whether birds, bats, or insects.

    To best reflect the broad meaning of the original Hebrew word, both translations could have consistently used the phrase "flying creatures" in both Leviticus 11:13 and Leviticus 11:20.

    That the Hebrew refers to some flying creatures walking on "all four" in Leviticus 11:20 cannot mean that the Bible is trying to make some sort of scientific statement that flying insects have only four legs, for anyone could see in the time that Leviticus was written that flying insects have six legs. The ancient Hebrew phrase translated as "walking on all four" in the context of flying insects is not intended to be understood literally, but instead is simply a way of distinguishing those flying creatures with more than two legs, which walk with their body in a horizontal position, in the same manner as four-legged animals.

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    Luke 10:18 could refer to Satan's local defeat where and when the 70 had ministered (Luke 10:17-18).

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    Romans 4:13 refers to the future "world"-wide physical kingdom, which will 1st be fulfilled during the future millennium (Rev. 20:4-6, 5:10, 2:26-29).

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    Acts 2:5-11 refers to first century descendants of those in the southern kingdom of Judah (Jews) who had voluntarily gone to live in many nations, but then had come back to dwell in Jerusalem, perhaps just temporarily in order to observe the feast of Pentecost (Acts 2:1, cf. 20:16b).

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    Psalms 75:2 refers to Jesus' judgment of the church (2 Corinthians 5:10-11, Romans 14:10-12, Luke 12:47-48) at the second coming (Psalms 50:3-5, cf. Mark 13:27), which won't happen until after the tribulation (Mark 13:24-27, Revelation 19:7-21).

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    If Jesus was raised by the Holy Spirit (Romans 8:11a) and Christians will be raised by the Holy Spirit (Romans 8:11b), then the unelect could also be raised by the Holy Spirit. [But believers will be raised into immortality (1 Corinthians 15:53), while unbelievers will be raised to be cast into the second death (Revelation 20:13,15).] But the unelect will still be raised only to be damned, in "the resurrection of damnation" (John 5:29), at the great white throne judgment (Revelation 20:11-15).

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    The Bible does say that the Antichrist is someone "to whom they shall not give the honour of the kingdom" (Daniel 11:21).

    Daniel 11:21 would be in line with some Arab, say from Lebanon, being given control of a Baathist confederation of Iraq, Syria (including "Palestine", i.e. a defeated Israel), and Egypt. His not being given the "honor of the kingdom" could simply mean that he will be given only pro tempore control, until, say "proper elections can be held".

    That he will "obtain the kingdom by flatteries" could mean that he will obtain control by huge bribes paid to the generals.

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    While the 3rd heaven won't be the final destination for believers who have died, it will still exist forever as a place (Psalms 119:89).

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    Isaiah could have been caught up into heaven (just to visit) in his mortal flesh and blood body, which could have been temporarily-sanctified by the touching of his fleshly mouth with a live coal from the altar in heaven (Isaiah 6:6-7).

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    Enoch 25:3 isn't referring to that millennial mountain of earthly Jerusalem, but to a mountain in New Jerusalem on which God's throne will be after New Jerusalem descends to the new earth (Revelation 21:1-5, 22:1-3), for Enoch 24:4-25:3 could refer to the tree of life, which will only be in New Jerusalem (Revelation 22:2,14), not millennial Jerusalem, and Enoch 25:3 relates to after the last judgment (Enoch 25:4), which is the great white throne judgment (Revelation 20:11-15), which won't occur until after the millennium (Revelation 20:7-11).

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    Quote: „many churches in Nigeria speak in tongues aloud during church services...“

    A: It's a common practice in many countries. But it still goes against 1 Corinthians 14:27,28,33.

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    The False Prophet of the Antichrist (Revelation 13:11-18, 19:20) could say that he's Jesus returned via reincarnation. The world could accept this because a lot of the world believes in reincarnation, even though the Bible refutes reincarnation, for it's appointed unto men once to die, and after this the judgment (Hebrews 9:27).

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    The truth is that Lucifer fell from his office of morning star (Isaiah 14:12) and became Satan (cf. Luke 10:18); Jesus the Christ has taken over the office of morning star (Revelation 22:16).

    Nonetheless, the Antichrist and his False Prophet could deny this, just as they will no doubt deny much of the Bible. They could assert the following lie: "Just as our Lord Lucifer Christ at his first coming temporarily indwelt the man-of-flesh Jesus of Nazareth, and was worshipped as Lord and God through him (John 20:28), so now our Lord Lucifer Christ at his second coming temporarily indwells our Lord the World Emperor [the Antichrist] and must be worshipped as Lord and God through him".

    By such a lie, or something similar, the Antichrist and his False Prophet will bring the whole world into the worship of Lucifer and the Antichrist (Revelation 13:4-18).

    Even some Christians could be deceived into performing this worship, thinking that they're doing the right thing, because they could actually think that the False Prophet is really Jesus, so that when the False Prophet tells them to worship Lucifer and the Antichrist they could think that it's Jesus telling them to do that. They could be unable to get past the amazing miracles which will be performed by the False Prophet (Revelation 13:13-14, 19:20), thinking that these miracles must be proof that he's Jesus, that he's really from God (cf. John 3:2). When in fact the truth will be that the False Prophet will be performing the miracles by the Satanic power of the Antichrist (2 Thessalonians 2:9, Revelation 13:12-14).

    Christians could also be deceived into performing the worship of Lucifer and the Antichrist because it could be presented as wholly "Christian" worship, even though it will have replaced Jesus as the Christ with Lucifer as the Christ. But, "hey", some Christians could think, "if Jesus himself is saying that he himself isn't the Christ, but that Lucifer is the Christ, who are we to argue with Jesus?" Of course, this idea will hinge on their accepting the lie that the False Prophet is Jesus.

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    The "us" in 2 Thessalonians 1:7 means that Jesus' second coming descent to the earth in judgment will include all believers of all times (Revelation 19:14), for they will all have just been resurrected together (1 Corinthians 15:22-23,52) and raptured into the clouds to meet Jesus in the air on his way down (1 Thessalonians 4:15-17).

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    Actually, even though man was made in God's image (Genesis 1:27), all of mankind together is still infinitely lower than God, counted as less than nothing compared with the infinite God:

    "Behold, the nations are as a drop of a bucket, and are counted as the small dust of the balance ... All nations before him are as nothing; and they are counted to him less than nothing, and vanity. To whom then will ye liken God? or what likeness will ye compare unto him?" (Isaiah 40:15,17-18).

    So while man is like God in having consciousness and intelligence and will and a sense of morality, man has these things to an infinitely lesser degree than God, so that the greatness of God cannot even begin to be grasped by saying that He is like man, even all of mankind together.

    Regarding the angels, because they are finite creatures like man, even they are infinitely below the infinite Creator God, even though their consciousness and intelligence and will and sense of morality may be a little more advanced than those of man.

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    Regarding John 3:15, it means that anyone who believes in Jesus gets saved. It doesn't mean that everyone can believe in Jesus, because other verses show that some people (the nonelect) can't possibly believe in Jesus (John 6:65, John 8:42-47, John 10:26, Matthew 13:38-42).

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    Luke 21:31 refers to some signs by which men might know that the coming of the millennial kingdom of Jesus (Revelation 20:4-6), which He will establish after His second coming (Revelation 19:11-21), is near from the viewpoint of men.

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    Revelation 20:7-9 is an extremely abbreviated account of Ezekiel chapters 38-39, and so should be expected not to include most of the details of Ezekiel chapters 38-39.

    Revelation 20:7-9 isn't symbolic, but is referring to the literal fulfillment of Ezekiel chapters 38-39.

    Revelation 20:7-9 doesn't have to refer to Meshech and Tubal, or to Gog's title of "chief prince", to be referring to the same Gog and Magog as Ezekiel chapters 38-39.

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    Wikipedia has an interesting account regarding the town of Michmash (or today, Mukhmas) which occurred during World War I.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michmash
     
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    Thank you for all your work in researching and selecting these old posts.

    Regarding one of the retrieved paragraphs, I'm not sure about the idea that an elect person can die unsaved, and then be resurrected and saved at the 2nd coming. But I admit that I have a soft spot for an idea regarding elect infants who may die before coming into faith (perhaps God lets them go into heaven when they die, and get saved up there when they see Jesus).

    Or, anyone (adult or infant) who dies before coming into faith may be nonelect, with no chance of ever being saved. I.e., God would make sure to keep every elect person alive until he or she can come into faith at some point during their lifetime.

    Thank you for pointing that out.
     
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    I don't think Revelation is referring to a temple on earth, because in order for the OT sacrifices to resume, this would be to trample the Son of God underfoot, counting the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing. I believe that the prophecy of Revelation is very symbolic and spiritual in meaning. I don't claim to understand it fully. I honestly dont think Revelation refers to an earthly temple.


    Hebrews 10:28 Anyone who has rejected Moses’ law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace?
     
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    Then again, i really dont know. I do however believe that its possible that people are looking for the wrong signs, and the wrong fulfillment of Revelation.
     
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    Note that Revelation 11:1-2, like Matthew 24:15, Daniel 11:31,36, and 2 Thessalonians 2:4, can refer to a future temple on earth which will exist in Jerusalem during the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24.

    And this (3rd) temple could be accepted by God as a valid temple, just as the 2nd temple was accepted by God as a valid temple, even at the time of Jesus' 1st coming (Matthew 23:21), and even at the time of the early church (Luke 24:53, Acts 2:46, Acts 22:17).

    For the ultra-Orthodox Jews will build the 3rd temple, and they will offer animal sacrifices in front of it, under the auspices of the Old Covenant Mosaic law, which remains holy before God (Romans 7:12). That is why God still keeps an ark of the Old Covenant Mosaic law in his temple building in heaven (Revelation 11:19), and why it was possible for the apostle Paul one time to involve himself with the 2nd temple's Old Covenant Mosaic law practices without him committing sin (Acts 21:20-26; 1 Corinthians 9:20). This isn't to say that the Jesus-denying motives of the ultra-Orthodox Jews will be holy before God, but that the Old-Covenant-Mosaic-law 3rd temple in itself and its animal sacrifices in themselves will be holy before God, because the Old Covenant Mosaic law in itself remains holy before God (Romans 7:12), even though its letter is no longer meant to be practiced by people (Romans 7:6), because the New Covenant has been inaugurated by Jesus and his once-for-all-time sacrifice on the Cross for our sins (Hebrews 10:1-23, Matthew 26:28).

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    One reason that the 3rd Jewish temple of Revelation 11:1-2, Matthew 24:15, Daniel 11:31,36, and 2 Thessalonians 2:4 hasn't been built yet is the Israeli government has been very careful to protect the Muslim Dome of the Rock and the Al Aqsa Mosque ever since Israel took military control of the Temple Mount back in 1967. For the Israeli government knows that if the ultra-Orthodox Jews in Israel were to destroy these buildings (the 3rd-holiest sites in Islam) in order to clear the Temple Mount for a 3rd Jewish temple, this could mean the end of the current state of Israel. For enraged Muslim armies and militias could attack Israel en masse in an all-out jihad and defeat it completely.

    While the ultra-Orthodox Jews are no doubt aware of this danger, they believe that the 3rd temple must nonetheless be built exactly where the prior temples stood: right over the Rock of Sacrifice (the Rock of the Dome of the Rock) on which Abraham almost sacrificed Isaac. And the ultra-Orthodox Jews could be brought to the point where they will even desire to see the end of the current, secular state of Israel, believing that only in its demise will God make it possible for them to establish a new, perfectly ultra-Orthodox, theocratic city-state of (what they could call ) "the True Israel". They could establish this within the walled Old City of Jerusalem (which contains the Temple Mount), and build on the Temple Mount a 3rd Jewish temple before which they can restart the daily Mosaic animal sacrifices, and perfectly keep every jot and tittle of the Mosaic law, and banish every non-kosher person and thing from ever entering within Old Jerusalem's "Holy walls".

    (This could point to another reason that the current, secular government of Israel doesn't want to let the ultra-Orthodox Jews build a 3rd temple: out of fear that the secular authority of the Israeli government could subsequently get undermined. For once temple practices resumed and a priesthood came into power, a creep toward theocracy could ensue in Israel, where priests and rabbis would become powerful enough to replace the secular leaders in Israel. So the secular leaders could want to simply place a hold on any drift in that direction by forbidding the building of a 3rd temple.)

    Something which could help to bring the ultra-Orthodox Jews to the point of desiring to see the end of the current, secular state of Israel would be them getting squeezed out of their settlements in "Samaria and Judaea" (also called the "West Bank"), and in eastern Jerusalem, as part of a peace deal handing these areas over to a Palestinian state. (Any such handover won't happen without a removal of Netanyahu from power, possibly by assassination.) For the ultra-Orthodox Jews (rightly) see Samaria, Judaea, and Jerusalem as the historically most important and holy parts of the land promised by God to Israel since the time of Abraham (Exodus 32:13). So when they start to get squeezed out of these areas, in a rage they could suddenly mass in their tens of thousands, armed with machine guns (which they are allowed to have for self-defense against the Palestinians). And led by 3 huge bulldozers, they could march as a great army to the Old City of Jerusalem, and go up onto the Temple Mount and completely destroy the Dome of the Rock and the Al Aqsa Mosque.

    (A fear of the ultra-Orthodox Jews resorting to violence could be one of the reasons that the Israeli government refuses to hinder Jewish settlement activity in Samaria, Judaea, and eastern Jerusalem. It could also be one of the reasons that the U.S. government has been convinced by Israel to back off from requiring any such hindrance. But if down the road, pressure from the Arab masses for a Palestinian state becomes so extreme that it begins to threaten to overthrow U.S. hegemony over the Arab world, the U.S. could decide to force Israel to surrender all the Jewish settlements to a Palestinian state.)

    Besides getting squeezed out of their settlements at some point in our future, something else which could help to tip the scales toward the ultra-Orthodox Jews in Israel becoming violent would be the rising up of a miracle-working, ultra-Orthodox Jewish false "Messiah" (cf. Matthew 24:24), who could tell the ultra-Orthodox Jews something like:

    "God says that now is the time for us to take back religious control of the Holy Temple Mount, and rid it of all the detestable shrines which the Muslims have placed upon it. We are to sanctify it in the name of our God, so that we might rebuild His Holy Temple there. Listen, my brethren, fear not the Muslims' reaction when we retake religious control of the Holy Temple Mount. For God Himself is with us. He will protect us perfectly. Have I not shown you His mighty Power working through Me? Fear not any men, but fear only our Mighty God, who now commands us to rebuild His Holy Temple at the place which He determined from the time of our Father Abraham. Our God gave us back the Holy Temple Mount way back in 1967 C.E. But what have we done with it over all the time since then? Nothing! How can this be? How can we have allowed some merely-secular, so-called 'Israeli' government invented by sinful men to keep us, God's holy people, from even setting foot back on the Temple Mount, and to let it remain under the religious control of the vile Muslims? Let us all rise up now, my brethren! Let us all rise up, in the name of our God, and let us do mighty exploits to the Glory of His Holy Name!"

    With such rhetoric, accompanied by his working of amazing miracles (cf. Matthew 24:24), a false ultra-Orthodox Jewish "Messiah" in Israel could whip up the ultra-Orthodox Jews there into a religious frenzy, so that they will all with great zeal, and without any fear, march in their tens of thousands upon the Temple Mount, and take total control of it, and then rejoice there and dance and sing holy hymns to God "for His great and mighty Victory".

    Something else which could help tip the scales toward the ultra-Orthodox Jews in Israel becoming violent is the occurrence of a series of great earthquakes in Jerusalem which will severely damage the Dome of the Rock and Al Aqsa Mosque, to the point where they will stop being used. For the ultra-Orthodox Jews could see this as (in their words) "Clearly a portent from God that he will no longer allow Muslims to trample His Holy Mountain. We must now reassert total Jewish control over it and rebuild His Holy Temple there".

    Something else which could help tip the scales toward the ultra-Orthodox Jews in Israel becoming violent is their finding out the location of the Ark of the Covenant, which could be buried under an ancient ruined fort in the desert east of Jerusalem. The Copper Scroll could contain the clues as to where the Ark is buried in the fort (e.g. "under the third step"). The Ark could have been located there already with ground-penetrating radar by some non-religious treasure hunters, but the Israeli government could be holding up a digging permit to retrieve the Ark, because the government is afraid that the ultra-Orthodox Jews could see a retrieval of the Ark as (in their words) "An unmistakable sign from God that now is the time for us to rebuild His Holy Temple". So the Israeli government has a motive to keep the location of the buried Ark top secret.

    Fearing that some ultra-Orthodox Jews could nonetheless somehow discover the top secret location of the buried Ark, and go there in the dead of night and dig it up without a permit from, or any notification to, the Israeli government, the government could have placed armed guards and surveillance cameras to watch over the buried Ark's location day and night.

    But if the buried Ark's location is found out by some ultra-Orthodox Jews, they could round up tens of thousands of their fellows, armed with machine guns, and they could suddenly swarm the location, overwhelm any armed guards there, and hold off any subsequently-arrived IDF troops long enough to get the Ark out of the ground. Once it is out and the IDF troops actually see it, it is unlikely that they are going to try to stop the ultra-Orthodox Jews from parading it to the Temple Mount, they will be in such awe.

    Also, once the ultra-Orthodox Jews make it to the Temple Mount and begin completely destroying the Dome of the Rock and the Al Aqsa Mosque, it is unlikely that the IDF troops are going to open fire, whether with lead bullets or rubber bullets, on their fellow Jews, slaughtering or injuring hundreds or thousands of them. Also, increasing numbers of IDF officers are very religious, so that they could order their troops to stand down. And if some non-religious officers convince their troops to employ tear gas in an attempt to simply disperse the ultra-Orthodox Jews without harming them, this could be thwarted by the ultra-Orthodox Jews having brought along gas masks (which, ironically, could have been issued to them by the Israeli government itself, back when there was a fear that Saddam Hussein would send Scud missiles into Israel with chemical-weapons payloads).

    So the Israeli government could be unable to prevent the complete destruction of the Dome of the Rock and the Al Aqsa Mosque at the hands of the ultra-Orthodox Jews. And so the Israeli government could be unable to prevent the subsequent, retaliatory destruction of the state of Israel at the hands of enraged Muslim armies and militias.

    Actually, Revelation is almost entirely literal, for it is unsealed (Revelation 22:10), meaning that it shouldn't be difficult for saved people of any time to understand it if they simply read it as it is written: chronologically and almost-entirely literally. The few parts of it that are symbolic are almost always explained afterward (e.g. Revelation 1:20, Revelation 17:9-12). And Revelation's few symbols not explained afterward (e.g. Revelation 13:2) are usually explained elsewhere in the Bible (e.g. Daniel 7:4-7,17).

    Just as Jesus' 2nd coming in Revelation 19:7 to 20:3 will be fulfilled almost entirely literally, so the events of the preceding tribulation in Revelation chapters 6 to 18 will be fulfilled almost entirely literally. Also, the millennium in Revelation 20 will be literal, and will begin after Jesus' 2nd coming (Revelation 19:7 to 20:6, Zechariah 14:3-21), when he will reign on the earth with the physically resurrected church for 1,000 years (Revelation 20:4-6, Revelation 5:10, Revelation 2:26-29, Psalms 66:3-4, Psalms 72:8-11). After that, the events of Revelation 20:7 to 22:5 will occur literally.

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    Near the start of the future tribulation, a literal, 3rd temple could be built on Jerusalem's Temple Mount by the ultra-Orthodox Jews, after they (or great earthquakes) clear the site by destroying the Muslim Dome of the Rock and the Al Aqsa Mosque. Shortly after they build the temple, the Antichrist could attack and defeat them, and a false Messiah leading them (Daniel 11:22).

    Then the Antichrist could "cut" a peace treaty with them and their false "Messiah" (Daniel 9:26a, Daniel 11:23a), permitting them to keep the temple, and to continue to (mistakenly) perform the daily Mosaic animal sacrifices in front of it, for at least 7 years (Daniel 9:27a), so long as they give up the outer court of the temple (Revelation 11:2a) to the Muslims, so that the Muslims can rebuild the Al Aqsa Mosque on the southern end of the Temple Mount and resume worship there. The ultra-Orthodox Jews could grudgingly agree to this, if the only other option is for them to lose the temple entirely. They could then build a high wall between the temple and the mosque, in order to keep the temple from being "defiled".

    But then, only some 3.5 years after making the peace treaty, the Antichrist will break the treaty, attack the temple, stop the daily Mosaic animal sacrifices, place the abomination of desolation (possibly a standing, android image of the Antichrist) in the holy place (the inner sanctum) of the temple (Daniel 9:27b, Daniel 11:31, Matthew 24:15), and then sit himself (at least one time) in the temple and proclaim himself God (2 Thessalonians 2:4, Daniel 11:36). Thus could begin the Antichrist's literal, 3.5-year Luciferian (Satanic) worldwide reign of terror (Revelation 13:4-18, Revelation 12:9; 2 Thessalonians 2:9).

    At the very end of the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24, the Antichrist (Daniel 11:45) and the world's armies will pillage Jerusalem right before Jesus' 2nd coming (Zechariah 14:2-21). And at the 2nd coming, there will be tremendous earth changes in the vicinity of Jerusalem (Zechariah 14:4-5). These events could result in all of Jerusalem's structures, including the 3rd temple and the Wailing Wall (also called the Western Wall), being broken down so that not one stone will be left on another (Luke 19:44, Matthew 24:2). Then the returned Jesus (Zechariah 14:4, Acts 1:11-12) will rebuild Jerusalem and make it the capital of the world (Zechariah 14:8-19, Micah 4:1-4). He will also build a 4th temple there (Zechariah 14:20-21, Zechariah 6:12-13). It will serve a similar function for the church during the future millennium (of Revelation 20:4-6) as the 2nd temple served for the church in the 1st century AD (Luke 24:53, Acts 2:46, Acts 22:17), and as the temple building in heaven (Revelation 11:19) serves for those in heaven (Revelation 7:15).

    Note the immediate context:

    Hebrews 10:23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering (for he is faithful that promised),
    24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
    25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
    26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
    27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
    28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
    29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

    Hebrews 10:26-29 shows that truly saved people, people who have truly been sanctified by Jesus' sacrificial blood (Hebrews 10:29), which sanctification requires faith (Acts 26:18b, cf. Romans 3:25-26), can, after they get saved, wrongly employ their free will to commit sin without repentance (Hebrews 10:26). By doing this, these saved people are unwittingly trampling on Jesus and his sacrificial blood, and doing despite to the Spirit of grace (Hebrews 10:29), turning the grace of God into lasciviousness (Jude 1:4), so that their ultimate fate will be worse than if they had never been saved at all (2 Peter 2:20-22). Even though Jesus' sacrificial blood is sufficient to forgive all sins (1 John 2:2), it actually forgives only the sins of believers which are past (Romans 3:25-26), as in sins which have been repented from and confessed to God (1 John 1:9,7). Jesus' sacrificial blood doesn't remit unrepentant sin (Hebrews 10:26-29). So a saved person can in the end lose his salvation if he wrongly employs his free will to commit unrepentant sin (Hebrews 10:26-29; 1 Corinthians 9:27, Luke 12:45-46).

    Some Christians think that Hebrews 10:26-29 isn't for Christians. But note that the immediate context of Hebrews 10:26-29 is Hebrews 10:25, which is addressing "we" saved people. Hebrews 10:25-29 is the same idea as Hebrews 3:13: Saved people need to gather together and exhort each other so that no saved person will fall into any unrepentant sin. For any unrepentant sin will ultimately result in the loss of salvation (Hebrews 10:26-29; 1 Corinthians 9:27, Luke 12:45-46, Matthew 7:22-23, Galatians 5:19-21; 2 Peter 2:20-22, Romans 8:13; 1 John 5:16, James 5:19-20).

    One way that a saved person could come to desire to commit sin without repentance would be if he finds a particular sin to be very pleasurable, so pleasurable and so fulfilling (in the short term) that he continues in it over time until his heart becomes hardened by the deceitfulness of sin (Hebrews 3:13), to where his love for God grows cold because of the abundance of iniquity (Matthew 24:12), to where he quenches the Spirit (1 Thessalonians 5:19), to where he sears his conscience as with a hot iron (1 Timothy 4:2), to where he becomes so infatuated with his sin that he can no longer endure the sound doctrine of the Bible (such as the doctrine of Hebrews 10:26-29), but instead latches onto a mistaken, man-made teaching which contradicts the Bible (2 Timothy 4:3-4), such as the mistaken teaching which assures believers that there is no way that they can ever lose their salvation, even if they sin without repentance.

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    The future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24, which Jesus will return immediately after (Matthew 24:29-31, Revelation 19:7 to 20:6), will begin with a horrible war, which, with its aftermath of famines and epidemics, will end up killing 1/4 of the world (Revelation 6:4-8). The "great sword" of this war (Revelation 6:4) could be Israel's nuclear weapons. After this war, there will be a terrible series of natural disasters historically unprecedented in their magnitude, such as a gigantic volcanic eruption (Revelation 6:12-14), possibly of the Yellowstone Caldera, and then the collapse into the ocean of another erupting volcano (Revelation 8:8-9), possibly one of the Canary Islands, the collapse of which could set up a huge tsunami which could destroy the eastern seaboard of the U.S.

    If such a tsunami occurs, it could also cause a string of awful, Fukushima-type, nuclear-meltdown radiation disasters in the nuclear power plants and their nuclear-waste storage facilities all along the eastern seaboard of the U.S. Also, if the tsunami breaks open the germ-containment structures on Plum Island, just off the coast of Connecticut, especially-deadly viruses and bacteria could be washed inland and spread across the U.S. and Canada as they infect animals and people.

    After the volcanic activity and possible tsunami, a comet will strike the earth (Revelation 8:10-11), possibly in the U.S. and Canadian Great Lakes region. As the comet falls from the sky, it will look like a great star, or like a burning lamp in the sky (Revelation 8:10). It will strike a region of the earth which contains 1/3 of the world's fresh surface water (Revelation 8:10b), and it will contain some poisonous element which will poison that water so that many who drink from it will die (Revelation 8:11b).

    Sometime after that, weird locust-like beings will swarm up from the bottomless pit of the earth to torment mankind with excruciating stings for 5 months (Revelation 9:2-10). The world could see them as "aliens" who had been hibernating for thousands of years in a cavern deep underground. The locust-like beings won't kill anyone, but they will make those they sting want to die, the pain will be so bad (Revelation 9:5-6).

    After that, an army of 200 million weird horse-like beings and their (possibly unclean spirit) riders will come upon the earth (Revelation 9:16-19). If they descend from the sky in spaceships, the world could see them as aliens. But they and the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of Revelation's "beast") could (falsely) say that they are YHWH God's main army. In fact, they could be loyal to Lucifer (Satan, the dragon, Revelation 12:9). The 4 fallen angels now bound at the Euphrates who will lead this army (Revelation 9:14-16) could employ it to make mankind utterly desperate before its complete takeover by Lucifer and the Antichrist mid-tribulation (Revelation 12:9 to 13:18). For when this army starts killing 1/3 of mankind (Revelation 9:16-19), then could also begin one of the biggest deceptions ever wrought on humanity. For the Antichrist, who by that time could have managed to have been elected as the President of a Mediterranean Union formed by the joining of the European Union with an Arab Union stretching from Oman to Morocco, could announce to the world that he has sent a mental distress call to (what he could call) "My Father, our Lord Lucifer, to come with his legions of angels, and rescue mankind from this murderous army of YHWH".

    (And all of this will be part of only the 1st half of the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24.)

    It is at this point that Lucifer and his fallen angels could be cast down out of heaven to the earth permanently after losing a mid-tribulation war in heaven (Revelation 12:7-9). But instead of coming down as a defeated force, they could descend for all the world to see in gigantic, magnificent golden spaceships onto the "Champ de Mars", Mars being the same as Marduk the dragon, the chief god of ancient Babylon. The "Champ de Mars" is the large open area in front of the Eiffel Tower in Paris. After landing there, Lucifer, a literal 7-headed, red dragon (Revelation 12:3,9), could emerge in great splendor and command his angels to capture the army of 200 million weird horse-like beings and their (possibly unclean spirit) riders, who could then pretend to defect from serving YHWH to serving Lucifer. Lucifer could then confirm that he has come to rescue mankind because the Antichrist, who he could say is his only-begotten "Son", called upon him (like in an Antichrist counterfeit of Matthew 26:53). Lucifer and the Antichrist could then be received wholeheartedly by the unsaved world as the saviors of mankind. And the unsaved world could be left thinking (mistakenly) that Lucifer and his angels were more powerful than even YHWH God's main army.

    Lucifer and the Antichrist, along with the Antichrist's miracle-working False Prophet, will then deceive the world into actually worshipping Lucifer and the Antichrist and a speaking (possibly an android) image of the Antichrist (Revelation 13:4-16, Revelation 19:20; 2 Thessalonians 2:4, Daniel 11:36). And everyone will be made to receive a (possibly scarification) mark of the Antichrist either on their right hand or forehead, consisting of either the Antichrist's name or some representation of the gematrial number of his name (666) (Revelation 13:16-18). After Lucifer and the Antichrist have ruled the world for 3.5 literal years (Revelation 13:4-18), YHWH will send 7 vials of wrath against the unsaved world (Revelation 16).

    Near the end of these 7 vials, unclean spirits like frogs will come out of the mouths of Lucifer, the Antichrist, and the False Prophet (Revelation 16:13). And these unclean spirits like frogs will go forth and perform amazing miracles to convince the world's armies to gather together at Armageddon (Har Megiddo: Mount Megiddo in northern Israel) (Revelation 16:16) to battle against YHWH himself (Revelation 16:14, Revelation 19:19). After gathering together at Armageddon as a staging area, the world's armies will travel south and pillage Jerusalem, right before Jesus (who is YHWH: John 10:30) returns from heaven and defeats them completely (Revelation 19:11 to 20:6, Zechariah 14:2-21).

    When Jesus returns, immediately after the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24 (Revelation 19:7-21, Matthew 24:29-31), he will descend physically from heaven on a white horse (Revelation 19:7-21; 1 Thessalonians 4:16, Zechariah 14:3-4, Acts 1:11-12) with all the holy angels (Matthew 25:31; 2 Thessalonians 1:7) for all the world to see (Matthew 24:27,30, Revelation 1:7). Then the church will be physically resurrected (if dead) or changed (if alive) into immortality (1 Corinthians 15:21-23,51-53; 1 Thessalonians 4:16, Revelation 20:4-6) and caught up together/gathered together (raptured) (Matthew 24:31; 2 Thessalonians 2:1) as high as the clouds of the sky to hold a meeting in the air with Jesus (1 Thessalonians 4:17).

    At that meeting, Jesus will judge the church (Psalms 50:3-5, cf. Mark 13:27; 2 Corinthians 5:10, Luke 12:45-48) and marry its obedient part (Revelation 19:7-8, Matthew 25:1-12) in the clouds, before it mounts white horses and comes back down from sky (the 1st heaven) with Jesus (Revelation 19:14) as he defeats the world's armies (Revelation 19:19,21), and the Antichrist and False Prophet (Revelation 19:20), and has Lucifer (Satan) bound in the bottomless pit for 1,000 years (Revelation 20:1-3).

    Jesus will then make the marriage supper of Revelation 19:9 for the obedient part of the church in the earthly Jerusalem (Isaiah 25:6-9; 1 Corinthians 15:54), while the birds will feast on the corpses of the world's defeated armies (Revelation 19:17-18). Then Jesus and the obedient part of the church will rule the surviving nations with a rod of iron for 1,000 years (Revelation 20:4-6, Revelation 5:10, Revelation 2:26-29, Psalms 2). After the 1,000 years, Lucifer will be released from the bottomless pit and bring about the Gog/Magog rebellion, only to be defeated for the last time (Revelation 20:7-10, Ezekiel chapters 38-39).

    At least 7 years after that defeat (Ezekiel 39:9b), the great white throne judgment will occur, in which all those who hadn't been resurrected and judged at Jesus' return will be resurrected and judged (Revelation 20:11-15). Then God will create a new heaven (a new 1st heaven: a new sky/atmosphere for the earth) and a new earth (a new surface for the earth) (Revelation 21:1; 2 Peter 3:10b,13). Then God the Father will descend from the 3rd heaven in the literal city of New Jerusalem (Revelation 21:2), the Father's house (John 14:2, Revelation 21:3), and he will dwell on the earth with Jesus and the church (Revelation 21:3).

    In one area outside the walls of New Jerusalem on the new earth will be the lake of fire (Revelation 22:15, Revelation 21:8), in which all of unsaved humanity will suffer forever in fire and brimstone with Lucifer and his fallen angels (Revelation 20:10,15, Matthew 25:41,46).
     
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    The blindness in part from Romans 11:25 would then relate only to the generation of elect Jews who is alive at the 2nd Coming and gets saved there?

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    Isaiah 11:6-8 and Isaiah 65:25 show, that both during the Millennium and during the time of the New Earth all animals will be peaceful herbivores? Will animals die during the time of the Millennium (Romans 8:21; Zechariah 14:21) and the New Earth?

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    Regarding old posts, I think this mine is exhausted and I no longer search through them, so it´s unlikely that there are much more coming in this thread.

    I actually made an updated print version, 8 volumes with together around 4000 pages, see the pictures below. Printing was done with http://www.epubli.co.uk/

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  20. Bible2+

    Bible2+ Matthew 4:4

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    Yes, if there is no possibility of salvation after death (cf. 1 John 5:16).

    Possibly, unless the "holy mountain" (Isaiah 11:9, Isaiah 65:25) restricts that to a certain region. I.e., right around Jerusalem during the millennium, and in New Jerusalem on the new earth.

    Zechariah 14:21 seems to refer to animal sacrifices during the millennium, whereas Romans 8:21 might refer to animal resurrection. I.e. there could be elect animals (individuals from every species) which died before the 2nd coming, but which will be resurrected into immortal bodies at the 2nd coming, along with the church. I still have hope of seeing my beloved pet dog again (now buried). But other animals alive at the 2nd coming could still die from natural causes during the millennium, just as humans not resurrected (or changed) at the 2nd coming will still die (as their descendants also will die) from natural causes during the millennium.

    It could be. And no wonder if it is, with the amazing amount of material you have been able to retrieve.

    That's okay. What you have done has been tremendously helpful in rounding out the blog. You will always have my thanks for that, and the thanks of those who will end up reading what you retrieved from oblivion.

    Also, hopefully, we can go back to the inexhaustible mine of the Bible itself, and bring forth some brand new material for the blog.

    Great work. (Be sure to hide away at least one set of volumes, along with a lot of printed KJV Bibles, in some safe place where the Antichrist won't be able to find them and destroy them. The printed Bibles and volumes can then be read secretly by some believers during the tribulation, when the internet will be wiped clean of all Biblical Christian material. Cf. Amos 8:11-12.)
     
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