Questions Evolutionists Can't Answer

[Scientist]

This is pretty interesting, seeing christians defend evolution. I presume everyone here is christian. May i ask what it is that eveyone thinks evolution is, give me a summary. And intelligent design for that matter. As a non-christian (more specifically an agnostic) and a pretty "devoted" scientist i find it all very difficult to see the diffuclty everyone has with evolution. It does not even come close to denying a supreme being, which is what is important isnt it, really. There is still a realm outside of current scientific understanding that could be the perminent residense of 'god'. "Believers" only need to worry when "god" turns round to the scientist who has found his way into his back garden and says "hello, how are you, im god". Metaphore a bit shakey i know. All evolution does that is getting the backs up of christians all over the world is that it infringes on more derived doctrines, genesis etc. But just like all hard-liners, they either die stubborn or have to change their ways and relax a little.

In the defense of evolution it would appear that the vast majority of oppositions to it are fairly trounsed at the upper end of reason. Just think how much peaceful everyone would be if they just sat down and did a bit of research and thinking. Even christians can't deny logic.

 

[gluadys]

Yeah, I was in public school at that time.

Are you telling me that you actually got taught "abiogenesis" in 9th grade science? It was all lumped together under "evolution" for everyone I've ever met.

In my school it was all lumped together under "science". It wasn't till Grade 11 that courses were distinguished as to what kind of science e.g. physics,chemistry, biology, etc.

I never heard of all science being lumped together as "evolution".

 

[gluadys]

This is pretty interesting, seeing christians defend evolution. I presume everyone here is christian. May i ask what it is that eveyone thinks evolution is, give me a summary. And intelligent design for that matter. As a non-christian (more specifically an agnostic) and a pretty "devoted" scientist i find it all very difficult to see the diffuclty everyone has with evolution. It does not even come close to denying a supreme being, which is what is important isnt it, really. There is still a realm outside of current scientific understanding that could be the perminent residense of 'god'. "Believers" only need to worry when "god" turns round to the scientist who has found his way into his back garden and says "hello, how are you, im god". Metaphore a bit shakey i know. All evolution does that is getting the backs up of christians all over the world is that it infringes on more derived doctrines, genesis etc. But just like all hard-liners, they either die stubborn or have to change their ways and relax a little.

In the defense of evolution it would appear that the vast majority of oppositions to it are fairly trounsed at the upper end of reason. Just think how much peaceful everyone would be if they just sat down and did a bit of research and thinking. Even christians can't deny logic.

Actually, this section is open to everyone and we have a fair number of atheists, agnostics and other non-Christians. The Christians who are defending evolution are known as "theistic evolutionists". We agree that evolution doesn't come anywhere near to denying God or any element of the Christian faith. Unfortunately, many Christians have been persuaded that it does. And if you want to see the extent to which they can and will deny logic, browse the Origins Theology forum in the Christians Only section. You are allowed to look though not to post.

 

[funyun]

Yeah, I was in public school at that time.

Are you telling me that you actually got taught "abiogenesis" in 9th grade science? It was all lumped together under "evolution" for everyone I've ever met.

For me as well. You gotta realize the people who write the textbooks are almost never really writing on their field, and are, in the end, at the whim of the publishers. If you ask any real scientist about the state of high-school science textbooks (especially the biology texts), they'll tell you how bad they are.

 

[DJ_Ghost]

This is pretty interesting, seeing christians defend evolution.

Not at all. The majority of Christians accept evolution.

I presume everyone here is christian.

Then you presume wrong. Most posters have a faith icon at the top left of their posts, you will see a lot of the posters here are agnostics or atheists.

May i ask what it is that eveyone thinks evolution is, give me a summary.

The change in allele frequency from one generation to another which results in the biodiversity of life on earth.

I could give a more in depth answer if you like but I’ve a tendency to ramble if I don’t try to be concise.

And intelligent design for that matter.

A transparent attempt to shoe horn Judaeo-Christian belief systems into the US school systems science classes despite it manifestly not adhering to the scientific method.

Just my opinion of course.

As a non-christian (more specifically an agnostic) and a pretty "devoted" scientist i find it all very difficult to see the diffuclty everyone has with evolution. It does not even come close to denying a supreme being, which is what is important isnt it, really.

Now if you knew that already why were you surprised to find Christians defending evolution? Surely you didn’t think you were the first person to notice it?

All evolution does that is getting the backs up of christians all over the world is that it infringes on more derived doctrines, genesis etc.

Evolution is not “getting the back up of Christians all over the world”. Most Christians outside of the USA accept evolution. In fact in the UK Creationists are a very rare bunch. I’ve only ever met 2, and I should point out they were in an A level biology class I took at college.

Even christians can't deny logic.

Ignoring the implied insult to an entire faith I would like to point out that science (which you are devoted to) deals with evidence more than logic. As philosophy has demonstrated, logic can be made to support almost any argument, that's why we scientists like our evidence so much.

Anyway, welcome to the forum.

Ghost

 

[DJ_Ghost]

If you ask any real scientist about the state of high-school science textbooks (especially the biology texts), they'll tell you how bad they are.

Its the same in most fields. Socail science textbooks for the highschool level are hardly worth the paper they are printed on. They tend to be at least 10 years behind.

Ghost

 

[Caphi]

Hey, Scientist! The very first lesson you need to learn if you plan on being a CF regular is that there's a time and place for everything, especially stereotypes. Even most "evolutionists" (a rather distasteful word, I think, which is used to denote anyone arguing the side of mainstream science and the ToE in particular) are less... polarized than you are. If you want to improve your image right now, the thing to do is to not make any assumptions about anyone until you've seen their posts. The thing to avoid is saying things like "Christians, accept evolution," because we really do have quite a lot of very intelligent TE's and others.

 

[hippie]

Right here!

This is the third time now, if you actually read his post hippie you would have seen that.

That allele frequencies in populations change over time due to mutations and selection. Look at point 1 of NT2's post.

That's it?!?!? Allele frequencies?!?!? That's what the entire TOE is all about?!?! Amd you think I don't understand the theory?!?!?!

 

[Caphi]

That's it?!?!? Allele frequencies?!?!? That's what the entire TOE is all about?!?! Amd you think I don't understand the theory?!?!?!
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Yes.

 

[Valkhorn]

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution:

In biology, evolution is the process by which populations of organisms acquire and pass on novel traits from generation to generation, affecting the overall makeup of the population and even leading to the emergence of new species.

That's it?!?!? Allele frequencies?!?!? That's what the entire TOE is all about?!?! Amd you think I don't understand the theory?!?!?!

How is the above definition different from the definition given earlier?

And, how can this not occur? I don't see how impossible that definition is, or even what you are trying to suggest.

 

[Valkhorn]

That's it?!?!? Allele frequencies?!?!? That's what the entire TOE is all about?!?! Amd you think I don't understand the theory?!?!?!

Why don't you define it for us? That way we can see what discrepancy in definitions there is.

 

[Guywiththehead]

Amd you think I don't understand the theory?!?!?!
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No, I think NinjaTurtles2, (before he said he accepted evolution) Edmond in the thread where he said the origin of life was a part of evolution, and the majority of Creationists don't understand the theory.

 

[Tomk80]

That's it?!?!? Allele frequencies?!?!? That's what the entire TOE is all about?!?! Amd you think I don't understand the theory?!?!?!
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Yup, that's all what the theory is about. Everything else derives from there.

 

[gluadys]

That's it?!?!? Allele frequencies?!?!? That's what the entire TOE is all about?!?! Amd you think I don't understand the theory?!?!?!
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Yes. That's it. That is what the entire theory is all about. Everything else in evolution is a cause or a consequence of changing allele frequencies.

 

[DieHappy]

Here is what I have seen and I don't mean to hijack the thread. I've noticed that most of the evolutionists are more critical and even slightly hostile to the Intelligent Design theory, than we are of Evolution. Why is that? It's because of one reason, that in the evolutionists mind, we cannot have faith in the scientific realm. Scientists who advocate the existence of God with the research results or discoveries are ostrocized within the scientific community. I'm just wondering if science is a tolerant subject, looking to better mankind, than why are the authors of them on this website seem to be so hostile about it? I can understand that we have some zealous and maybe over-zealous ID supporters.

There's a verse, and I'm paraphrasing because I'm in a tryptophan induced stupor, that says They will look at my creation and deny me because they have previously rejected me.

 

[MaynardGKrebbs]

What about the Christian scientists who believe in God and accept evolution?

 

[nvxplorer]

There's a verse, and I'm paraphrasing because I'm in a tryptophan induced stupor, that says They will look at my creation and deny me because they have previously rejected me.

So can we conclude that those who reject evolution have previously rejected God?

 

[Cassandra]

I have a question evolutionists can't answer.

I'm thinking of a number between yellow and grapefruit. What was the question?

 

[Guywiththehead]

I have a question evolutionists can't answer.

I'm thinking of a number between yellow and grapefruit. What was the question?

How many battery-powered windows can you juggle at eleven o' lemons?

 

[DJ_Ghost]

I have a question evolutionists can't answer.

I'm thinking of a number between yellow and grapefruit. What was the question?

Yes that's right, "What?" was the question.

Ghost