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[Aaron112]

And taken to heaven, while the great tribulation will then take place here on earth.

Taken someplace maybe. The graphics is entirely fable/make-be-lieve.

 

[Douggg]

So ? It is denied every hour on internet forums including this one, so what can be done to stop it ? Nothing according to the internet rules.

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[Aaron112]

That's not at all pertaining to what was posted just previously.

 

[Aaron112]

The amazing Plans of God are beyond our human comprehension; He is working toward His ultimate goal: to obtain a people who have freely chosen to believe in Him and to be with Him for Eternity.
We have quite a way to go yet, some very hard times of testing and the proving of our faith, as many have done before us.
But great and wonderful are the Blessings and rewards promised to those who hold fast to their faith and trust unconditionally in His protection.

Amen! It is Written.

 

[Douggg]

Also, why would you reference Revelation 11:18 in support of what you're saying here when not only will believers be rewarded at the seventh trumpet, but the dead, representing the unbelieving dead, will be resurrected and judged (condemned) at that time as well? And we can see a description of the dead being judged in Revelation 20:11-15.

Your understanding of the timing of the 7th trumpet is incorrect.

Revelation 20:11-15 is the Great White Throne Judgement after the Millennial rule of Jesus and final rebellion of the nations are over. Three categories of persons will appear before the Great White Judgment...

1. unbelievers of all times, i.e. persons who heard the gospel of Salvation, but rejected it.
2. persons who never heard the gospel of Salvation during their lifetimes.
3. persons who become Christians during the Millennium.

The judging of the dead (the resurrected believers in Christ) in Revelation 11:18 which rewards will be given to Christians of all levels - is not called the Great White Throne Judgment in the text... because it is not the Great White Throne Judgment.

 

[Douggg]

So ? It is denied every hour on internet forums including this one, so what can be done to stop it ? Nothing according to the internet rules.

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We have drifted off the thread topic. Let's get back to the subject matter of the thread....okay ?

 

[Spiritual Jew]

Your understanding of the timing of the 7th trumpet is incorrect.

Revelation 20:11-15 is the Great White Throne Judgement after the Millennial rule of Jesus and final rebellion of the nations are over. Three categories of persons will appear before the Great White Judgment...

1. unbelievers of all times, i.e. persons who heard the gospel of Salvation, but rejected it.
2. persons who never heard the gospel of Salvation during their lifetimes.
3. persons who become Christians during the Millennium.

The judging of the dead (the resurrected believers in Christ) in Revelation 11:18 which rewards will be given to Christians of all levels - is not called the Great White Throne Judgment in the text... because it is not the Great White Throne Judgment.

The judging of the dead in Revelation 11:18 is contrasted with the rewards for believers. So, "the dead" there refer to unbelievers just as is the case with the dead that are judged in Revelation 20:11-15 who get cast into the lake of fire.

There's no reason to think that the dead will be judged at any other time than the time described in Revelation 20:11-15. Matthew 25:31-46 makes it clear that all people will be judged at the same time just after Jesus returns with His angels. When Jesus talked about the goats being cast into everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels at that time (Matthew 25:41), that is the same event as those whose names are not written in the book of life being cast into the lake of fire (Revelation 20:15). Meanwhile, at that same time, believers will inherit eternal life (Matt 25:46) in the kingdom prepared for us from the foundation of the world (Matt 25:34) in the eternal new heavens and new earth (Rev 21:1-5). As Peter said in 2 Peter 3:13, we look for new heavens and a new earth in fulfillment of the promise of Christ's second coming.

 

[Douggg]

The judging of the dead in Revelation 11:18 is contrasted with the rewards for believers. So, "the dead" there refer to unbelievers just as is the case with the dead that are judged in Revelation 20:11-15 who get cast into the lake of fire.

There's no reason to think that the dead will be judged at any other time than the time described in Revelation 20:11-15. Matthew 25:31-46 makes it clear that all people will be judged at the same time just after Jesus returns with His angels. When Jesus talked about the goats being cast into everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels at that time (Matthew 25:41), that is the same event as those whose names are not written in the book of life being cast into the lake of fire (Revelation 20:15). Meanwhile, at that same time, believers will inherit eternal life (Matt 25:46) in the kingdom prepared for us from the foundation of the world (Matt 25:34) in the eternal new heavens and new earth (Rev 21:1-5). As Peter said in 2 Peter 3:13, we look for new heavens and a new earth in fulfillment of the promise of Christ's second coming.

Revelation 11:15-19 is the reaction of them in heaven to the 7th angel sounding his trumpet. The reaction is that them in heaven are rejoicing. And the judgment in Revelation 11:18, the bema seat of Christ, will be of Christians of all levels, and rewards given.

The 7th angel does not sound his trumpet at the end of the seven years, but just past the mid-point. The 7th angel announces the third woe to the inhabiters of the earth. Revelation 8:13. Which the third woe is defined in Revelation 12:12.

 

[keras]

The answer to your question......
2 Esdras 13:22-24.....as to who will survive the last days, is this; The very person from whom judgement will come, will protect those exposed to danger, if they have good deeds and faith laid up to their credit with God Most High. Be assured that those who survive are more blessed than those who die.
2 Esdras 9:1-13 Watch carefully – when you see that some signs predicted have passed. Then you will understand that the time has come for the Most High to judge the world that He has created.

When the world experiences earthquakes, plots among the nations, unstable government and panic of the rulers, then you will know the time of the end, marked by the manifestation of the Lord’s power.

All who come safely through and escape destruction, thanks to their good deeds or the faith they have shown, will survive the dangers I have foretold and witness the salvation I shall bring to My Land, the place that I have set apart for all eternity for My own.

All who in their lifetime failed to acknowledge Me, in spite of the benefits I brought them, all who disdained My Law while freedom was still theirs, who scornfully dismissed the idea of penitence while the way was still open – all these must learn the truth through torments after their death, Do not ask what will happen to the godless, but know the just will be saved; the world is theirs and for their sake it exists.
Reference, Revised English Bible Apocrypha

Romans 9:22-23 But if it is indeed Gods purpose to display His retribution and make His power known, can it be that He has with great patience tolerated vessels made for destruction, precisely in order to make known His glory unto vessels that are to be objects of His mercy – prepared from the first for glory.

 

[Fisherking]

He said that many times, so how can you deny that? Have you never read this...

Ephesians 2:11 Therefore remember that you, once Gentiles in the flesh—who are called Uncircumcision by what is called the Circumcision made in the flesh by hands— 12 that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. 14 For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation, 15 having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, 16 and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity. 17 And He came and preached peace to you who were afar off and to those who were near. 18 For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father. 19 Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, 20 having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone, 21 in whom the whole building, being fitted together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, 22 in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.

This is juxtaposing our FAITH ALONE, not our Nationalities. In the end, in Rom. 11 when does Paul say ALL Israel will be saved? (Not every Jew but Israel as a Nation as in all 12 tribes are preserved) When they once again BELIVE or understand its by Faith Alone that Salvation is granted. Only then will they be Grafted back in to the family of God. So, as individuals God tells us there is one body but many varied callings and gifts yet we all have the same faith, yet my calling is not yours, and the Churches calling is not Israel's calling.

I wonder why people can not see God's truths, but in the end I know why? It is what it is.